In this day and age...

In this day and age, what is the likelihood of a smart person who couldn't or otherwise didn't want to get an MBA taking a job in a company, demonstrating value, and rising to a relatively high rank before retiring? Do companies really still hire/promote from within or is that a meme to keep the interns chasing the carrot at the end of the stick?

My uncle has an MBA and said that most of the classes are commonsense shit and that the program you get into and how hard you network is all that matters. Apparently, there is a shorthand estimator somewhere that lets you predict your mid-career salary based on the tier of MBA program you went to.

Fuck that shit, Sup Forums. I don't want to live in a caste system. I just want to live in an America where picking yourself up by the bootstraps didn't come with a massive loan.

Likelihood is good.

GEDbro here.... off to my 6 figure office job at a power plant.

Rising to a high rank is more politics (ass kissing) than education.

Protip: they don't promote hard workers to administrative roles

both these guys get it. its a delicate balance of ass kissing and being too cool to do bitchwork

That's good to hear. I'm not afraid of getting my foot in the door, I'm just afraid of being counted off and forgotten as somebody who didn't go to an Ivy.

What do you mean? Why do they promote people then? Ass kissing and politics?

>ass kissing
you mean dick sucking?

find a hot gen z girl with daddy issues, take control of her and whore her out.

make her cam whore on chaturbate and have betas buy her shit from a amazon wishlist. go produce some amateur porn then and put it on manyvids and have another batch of betas send her money

You'll hit a wall without a degree, they'll use that as a means to keep you from being promoted to a management position and frustrate you for long spans of your adult life by hiring people from outside the company rather than promoting within.

Ok, so how do you get out of doing bitchwork if you're the low man on the totem pole? I thought that was the point. The new guy takes a bit of shit and pays his dues before moving up in the world. Am I wrong?

>do companies really still hire/promote from within

you have to grind 30 years and you'll never truly have respect because all your superiors are younger than you and never heard a' ya'. They move up, and when the new ones come in, you have to start over from the same position and you stagnate and they give you little shitty trinkets as prizes and all you want is some damn respect not a fucking snowglobe or synergy crystal or some such shit.

It's a real game out there, unless you got a real in, your reputation is very fragile.

Just a few more years and you'll get a promotion. Just a few more. Maybe little more...

That's what I'm afraid of. Is it just about not having a college degree or can it happen even if you don't have a graduate degree?

I did well in undergrad but had health problems that fucked my networking. I'm in a STEM grad program right now, but there's not as much career options ad I'd hoped for. I didn't go to a big, name-recognition undergrad, but I'm at a top 60 state school for my grad degree.

Dunno, lads. I'm just sick of being poor and hearing career academicians bitch about how their lives suck and mine will too. I just want to get a cozy house and raise wholesome white children with a good woman.

Truth is that you will never get rich by working hard or being honest.

Its all about who you know and how you play the system

Theyre going to want someone with a degree in being a manager, user, not pipetting or playing with robots or whatever

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hard work doesn't pay off, stop dreaming dreams of the past

That's horseshit. I understand shitting on people who are lazy fucks who refuse to take any responsibility, but I don't get this post-80s "labor is a dime a dozen" garbage. People who do hard, honest work should be able to live a decent, dignified life.

My granddad drove a forklift in a packing house, got promoted to crew manager, then plant manager, then regional supervisor, than was elected by the state board of agriculture to be a trade representative in DC. He barely had two years of community college credits and was a horrible student. He wasn't even a great businessman, he just knew the right people and knew about the issues they needed answers regarding. Unless a plague wipe out most of the US labor force, that sort of story isn't ever gonna happen again, is it?

Don't live your grandfathers life, live your life.

I had a really broad background in undergrad. You can't tell me that having practical experience working in a biomedical lab wouldn't be a selling point in applying to an MBA program or getting a position at a bio/lab supply company. I know they sometimes hire people to do consulting on client projects and technical research. I guess scientific journalism is a thing too. I'm just sick of competing with 20,000 other white guys for fucking NSF money.

I didn't say you couldn't get into an MBA program, I said not having an MBA would keep you from being promoted to a serious management position.

Only 20,000? Quick! Tell the government we need more STEM graduates, there's not enough for the jobs we need! Hehe now we can lower the wages so much only the most desperate of them will accept. The rest can go unemployed in their field until they learn to work minimum wage for us :^)

Ok, yeah. I was talking to my uncle yesterday and all of them have this idea that somebody doing what I do is going to be rich in a few years. I told them what my salary would likely be coming out of school and they didn't know what to say.

It's not even that. I was that late 00s group of kids that got the biosciences memed at them really hard. It's great if you are going to go into something with clinical practice, but a lot of biomedical research is getting offshored to the Koreans and lab techs are a dime a dozen.

That's not even talking about the basic research fuckers tying to get funded to study the life cycle of some rare mold. I was never stupid enough to get into something like that.

You could always go to PA school and get a comfy job in health care (and be around to watch their role in primary care balloon and expand)

That's true. Mo mom was also telling me she could pull some strings to get me into an audiology program. Surprise: a lot of boomers are loosing their hearing and there's big money in it.

I dunno. I grew up thinking science was this noble, transcendental pursuit, but it's really just a bunch of egomaniacal welfare leeches fighting each other over gibs. Science is awesome, I just don't think our societal structures have caught up to the point of allowing it to run at full efficiency. The government needs to get the fuck out of the funding market and stop producing a planned economy around basic research. At the same time, there isn't a viable private sector model of training researchers and funding research to replace it.

This is what's wrong in every production center. I wish we didn't have people like this

A lot of people who aimed to pick themselves up by the bootstraps ended up as in that pic or Chaturbate or such shit