>GDP growth is 2.7% in 2016 and 2.5% extimated growth in 2017 >unemployment to drop to 18% by 2017 >public debt is mantaining stable
So tell me, does Spain have the best bureaucratic machine of the west or is it that in reality government does more harm than good?
Logan Harris
We're special. For example; Spain works best when the machine has no owners, or when the machine has only 1 owner who's owner because he's the biggest.
Pls stay without government making meme laws and accepting all the rapefugees 24/7/365
Austin Gray
Government does more harm than good.
They do things with the best intentions, but they often have averse consequences years or even decades down the line.
Brody Sanchez
Hey Spain I heard you can work in Spain one day and make enough to make your rent for the month in some places. True?
Benjamin Wood
A trait that you have passes to all your sons
Luke Baker
AUSTERITY IS WORKING
PRAISE AUSTERITY
AUSTERITY IS T-HE KEY TO PROSPERITY
James Flores
100% true if you want to live in nowhere, matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion. From 1 to 10 how important is to you to have any social outlet?
Hudson Hall
Empire again is the only salvation. Revive Isabel and fernando as cyborgs or lichs.
Michael Bailey
>matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion LOL
Brayden Johnson
Just go full ancap. only 3 out 10 people here pay taxes and most of our infrastructure was mode by private companies the only thing would change is being able to use child labor in the cities instead of just the moauntains and the jungle
Ayden Cook
A friend said he was living a walk away from the water, not working hard at all. Such is life in Spain. I need bars and women though. NYC it is for me then
Nicholas Hernandez
Deep breaths merkel
Cameron Brown
Is Peru the closest one got to Ancap, or is Chile even more deregulated?
Evan Parker
I think it's a combination of Spain profiting from all the tourists who don't want to go to Erdogatopia anymore and modern politicians doing their best to ruin their country.
Jayden Allen
We would need a more lax guns regulation to go full ancap(This applies to the wole continent)
Sebastian Morgan
Seriously bro, your friend was living in a cave or what? Is not possible to do that in Spain, unless you do 600€ in a day or so. Things here are cheaper than in the rest of europe, but not that cheap.
Jaxon Jones
Spain is actually one of the best countries in the world, the EU is the source of their troubles.
David Ross
>matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion. Sounds really confy to me. Where is it? Extremadura?
Logan Reed
There is no austerity in Spain. Since the "austerity" policies the public debt as increased incredibly high, the State waste much more money than ever. The only austerity here is for the people, the state keeps wasting to feed the eu monster, that is politicians, stupid laws and prohibitions, banks, corporations and shit.
Jose Smith
That money was used to bail out banks afaik.
Jacob Peterson
my rent is 200€ a month for a modern two bedroom, apart from big cities rent is cheap.
Cameron Ramirez
>my rent is 200€ a month for a modern two bedroom Don't tempt me man.
Camden Reed
It was a meme name, matajudios got it's named changed sincce jews cried and the like, 50 people that lived there wanted propaganda
Ryder Roberts
If you know spanish you can get that, otherwise you gotta pay up. Shit in dickfuck: Nowhere is cheap. As you get an inch close to anything relevant shit goes crazy expensive.
Oliver Powell
>Matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion.
jajajajajajajajajajajjajjajjajaj
Benjamin James
Where the fuck do you live.
Caleb Sanders
Where the fuck do you live.
It has to be a forgotten 50-people village in the middle of Castilla.
William Myers
They can't even provide anything. They just borrow money to pretend to provide something that almost always ends up being super shitty(don't get me started on Spanish healthcare) and kick the can down the road.
Hudson Hall
>matajudios lmaoing my ass off
Carson Hughes
>don't get me started on Spanish healthcare Get started you fucking moro.
Angel White
Gandia
Christopher Green
I hate socialized medicine so much. The most infuriating thing of it is that every country with public sector medicine does insufferable amounts of propaganda on its citizens on how the state system is one of the greatest in the world, or how it is just a budget raise from fixing any conceivable problem with it. Making an argument against socialized healthcare or in favor of a private (even voucher one) system in my country is like if I ripped apart some live kittens in their presence and started eating their guts in front of them. The brainwashing is too strong and people here unironically believes that our barely-1st-world country has the best medical care in the planet.
A private insurance here is like 50-60€, yet people are unable to see how they could afford it if the state wasn't taking them +50% of their incomes every year and the poor get used as non-arguments for the utter nonsense our socialized healthcare is. If people cared about the poor they wouldn't put them in third-class hospitals with third-class personnel.
I have a relative that had to wait for more than one year to have a (luckily benign) tumor in his ankles removed, and after a whole year he only got it removed from one, so he'll probably have to wait another year just so they extract the other one. That's two years for something that private sector medicine would have sent you to surgery the week next the doctor's appointment.
I had a teacher in high school that had a tumor in the from lobe of her brain, she had to pay 5k€ to have it removed via private healthcare because in the public system she would have had to wait almost a year. She had to pay this much because she didn't have an insurance, which is something she has done ever since then.
Goddamnit, this is so insane yet nobody dares to speak the truth. Socialist brainwashing in action.
Socialized medicine, IT'S FUCKING TRASH. PUBLIC SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS THE WORSE SYSTEM EVER CONCEIVABLE AND IT COSTS LIVES
Hudson Bell
>matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion.
Brandon Sanders
Introduce a mixed system like ours, where you can opt out, starting from an income that suggests you can afford more than public medicine.
Kevin Parker
>Chile even more deregulated? Chile is a socialist shithole
Ryan Sullivan
Jej superior
Luke Jenkins
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Christopher Martinez
I've had already heard people from Germany telling me (actually, ranting) about how shitty your system is but you guys are hysterical about keeping it anyways for the very same kind of brainwashing we have here. Referring to picture attached.
We already have that kind of system in Spain but only for public servants (funcionarios) in which they can choose whether the taxes from their paycheck go to our wasteful and shitty public hospitals or to private insurance they get to enjoy. Whenever they were given the choice most of them overwhelmingly chose for the private system. Obviously our deficient public hospitals are only to be paid by the stupid taxpayers, not those in government and public administration.
Socialized medicine is shit, always has been and always will be. The only compromise that would ever work to produce a universal yet decent quality at a decent price would be a voucher system for the poor and unregulated private insurance for everyone else, but this obviously doesn't give that much of an excuse to politicians to tax endlessly, which is the main reason all these "socialized" whatever always exist.
Noah Harris
>yfw they changed the name >yfw they change it again when the time is right and the king crowns himself monarch absolute.
Samuel Howard
>government does more harm than good?
Christian Cooper
>live in spain >much sun >want solar panels >have to pay energy companies tax
lol spain is a truly corrupt shithole
Landon Torres
were a democracy in name only.
Levi Carter
I can't confirm the rants you probably must've heard, as I have two grandmothers and a grandfather still alive, partially due to public health care.
Privatized hospitals are mostly worse than state-run ones, as privatization is good only where there's competition. But the hospitals privatized are often located in the middle of nowhere (hence, no rich municipality to pay for) and face no competition. A huge and noticeable drop in quality is the result.
There are many aspects to this. It is important to refrain from libertarian vd socialist ideology and look at the result in each case.
Brayden Morgan
>our barely-1st-world country
lel that's the best description of Spain there is. love you mom
Isaac Jones
Let's view it that way: Sure, you can't change anything for the better without a government. But the politicians also can't change anything for the worse.
The bureaucracy keeps working, even without politicians. It's why Belgium hasn't collapsed already. In fact, most countries would probably benefit from not having a government for a few years.
Nathan Cooper
Manolo is right. I'd opt out in literally seconds.
>mfw my dad gets a cardio and he goes sonic-fast mad at public being utter garbage from saying it was so great
Elijah Collins
Government does more harm than good desu Our machinery of government is good enough to run on its own because the decisions the leaders are taking aren't to advance their country's but to destroy and remake them We should be doing such great things and instead we are paying the welfare of ungrateful niggers No space no teleporters no robots no reorganization of cities and towns to be more efficient and help the environment No managed reduction in population to help the environment and increase the value of our life and labour
Benjamin Morris
So you would rather there be no hospital at all?
Anthony Harris
wew lad that's cheaper than what I pay, is this close to matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion?
Sebastian Peterson
>matajudios de despeñaperros superior del solar de cristo y todos los santos de nuestra señora de la eterna salvacion.
Brayden Bell
As true as anywhere else in the world if your expenses aren't many and you have a nice job.
There are no jobs here. Only shit-tier slave jobs for less than minimum wage
Colton Murphy
I just want them to never elect a President Everything's so quiet, so great. Economy's recovering, unemployment dropping. No laws against citizenry, no massive expenses on stupid projects. No chance of new corruption as no one gets in any powerful place.
Let's stay like this. Even though our bureaucracy is shit and ever has been since the XIXth century, it works for some reason.
It would be nice to have a perfect balance between intervened services and private ownership (socialized medicine+private insurances, regulated banking against monopolies, shit like that).
This just works. But everything will go shit when we get a President and shitty progressive laws get passed.
t. A socialist who's also a pragmatist
Jaxon Morris
This thread is about worst Ibera
spain is worst iberia spanish are dirty they throw trash on the floor all the time spanish ham is disgusting paella is muslim food they are lazy full of muslims full of gypsies spanish water tastes like chemicals most spain doesn't even want to be part of spain spain exists because of the castillan oppessor spain cant even take Gibraltar because they are so weak they are so bad at football their 2 best players are Portuguese and Argentinian spanish beaches are all bad, portugal has better beaches spanish men are effeminate and dress like girls FREE Catalonia, Galicia and the Basques
Dylan Martinez
Ya vamos por las terceras elecciones.
Supongo que a los politicos les pagan ahora por hacer literalmente nada, lo cual beneficia a todo el mundo
Andrew Kelly
>Worst Iberia
Wors Iberia is Portugal you filthy nigger
Michael Hernandez
you know, in Italy the prime minister isn't directly elected by the people but instead he is nominated by the president of the republic, still the results of the election of the parliament should heavily imply who the new prime minister is going to be.
after Berlusconi left in 2011 the 3 prime ministers that succeded were put there without the consent of the people.. because it isn't needed.
>Monti was in charge of a government of experts created to stop a parliament crisis >Letta was nominated because member of a coalition of parties >Renzi same as Letta
Keep in mind that this coalition is formed by parties with opposite orientation. I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't had a forced group of ministers instead
Benjamin Campbell
I'm a Catalan nationalist and I think you're a fucking faggot holy shit
John Morales
My grandmother still only pays 150 euros per month for a 2 floor 5 bedroom house with garden.
Brayden Campbell
Give back the gold please k thx
Juan Hughes
To whom?
There are no original jungle niggers anymore.
You're our bastard children.
Also >Implying jungle niggers knew how to properly exploit the resources of their land
The french have all our gold
Brody Russell
Is NYC nice?
David Reed
>Chile is a socialist shithole Then why is your people coming here? :^)
Parker Sanders
Gibs
Jack Garcia
Most south americans are very similar to niggers in terms of managing and economics
Jackson Clark
>not a country
Kevin Diaz
Government is OFTEN the problem. Then it just makes more problems when it tries to fix the problems it originally created. Not always, but a fucking lot.
This is why the concept of limited government (Americanism) is so important. It is also dying.
Charles Bennett
Fuck that's funny.
Aiden Lopez
niggers won't work even if you cut all the gibs
Luis Jenkins
This obviously the proof that ancap works.
Carter Mitchell
I was in Spain in July. Was impressed by the lack of interracial couples, very few niggers and some shitskins that usually did shit jobs. Granted I only moved by the most uptown neighborhoods of Madrid. Bilbao was full of niggers tho, but still no scandalous interracial couples too. Was proud of my homeland (T.basque-catalan-asturian mongrel), though I fucking hate the accent.
Cameron Kelly
Asturian here, fuck you we have the best accent, women and food. Also, why does Cantabria ALWAYS smell like shit?
Jacob Mitchell
Sorry, it's a local thing. You see, around my social circles we have the best most neutral accent of the whole Hispanic world, and we take pride of that. Haven't been to Asturias, so I can't comment on your accent.
John Torres
Speaking spanish correctly is not an accent
Christopher Davis
kek
Thomas Allen
>A FUCKING PINK LION
Camden Sanchez
Democratic government does more harm than good.
Dylan Mitchell
Our healthcare sucks because migrants abuse it, otherwise it's great desu.
Anthony Johnson
>perunigger talking about accents
lmao
And even then, Spain has many types of accents. Andalusian is fucking funny m8
Sebastian Evans
Belgium has gone without a government for 541 days in 2010.
Despite the global economic crisis things still went mostly alright without a government.
Anthony Brooks
Pretty much this. Just because there is no functioning government or parliament, doesn't mean that ministries and public facilities all shut down. At least in modern nations it shouldn't.
Most ministries operate independently of governments anyway unless a certain government wants to specifically fuck shit up.