If you are on welfare you should not be allowed to vote

It's called a "conflict of interest"

When you apply for welfare benefits, that should wave your right to vote because you now have a motivation to vote for politicians solely based on them expanding your benefits.


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>People vote to get more money in their pocket
Doesn't this summarise pretty much everyone, all over the political scale?

Yes but they are voting for better policies to generate more economic wealth.

Welfare recipients are voting for more of the taxpayers dollars.

There is a difference.

There's no type of person that isn't going to vote in their own interests. Everyone is in conflict. Voting is a dumb idea

But there is no clearer case of that being true with the common voter than in cases of being on the receiving end of welfare benefits.

I will look up conflict of interest law. I think a good case can be made

Heh?
The poor vote for more welfare.
The middle class votes for more investment.
The rich vote for tax cuts.
The young vote for affordable/free college.
The old vote for pensions and Medicaid.
Real estate owners vote for inheritance tax abolition.
Homeless vote for social housing.

EVERYONE votes on how to use the state budget.

Problem:

We started with only land owning men being able to vote, and this is where we ended up.

how do we prevent this all again?

Yes but not everyone is the direct recipient as it is with welfare.

getting sterilized should be a prerequisite for anyone receiving welfare. discuss

So, we get the happy co-incidence where everyone is fighting each other. I wonder who benefits? Democracy is a total scam. All the Politicians are on the same team.

Should people in the Military also lose their vote then?

Yea, except there would be too many people who I feel actually deserved it.

If we lived in an entirely white country, I wouldn't have a problem with a small amount of my taxes going towards less fortunate whites who are trying to get back on their feet

I say
>offer 2,000 dollars for someone to get sterilized

anyone who would get sterilized for 2,000 dollars is inherently degenerate and shouldn't be having kids anyway.

By accepting the fact that we cannot run our shit and we need the help of God and Christ to keep our sinful asses straight.

This has been pre-ordained, it won't be long now.

I am a Hispanic from a single mother growing up in one of the poorest states.

I'm on food stamps because the university can pay me less than minimum wage to work in a lab as an undergraduate.

I'm still voting for Trump.

The advantage is there and I will take it if I can. I dont want to be on food stamps. I don't like being "food rich" and I want to share my future wealth.

I'll vote anyone in who says they are going to take away Dem programs, but they better actually try to make the economy better.

Because if not, you better believe I will do everything I can to succeed. Even if I need to work in the black market growing drugs and making guns.

I'm actually making a religion.

I like christian morals, but I am making a religion where christian-like morals only apply to our in-group, but machiavellian morals towards the out-group.

I think $2000 is a good number, but I would opt for something that doesn't give them the option of fucking up, like


>1 bedroom apartment
>food/water rations
>prepaid cellphone


for about 2 months, this is paid for. This way, they have no way of spending their money on drugs and booze and shit. If you can't find a job (doing anything) in 2 months, you're worthless and should be homeless/dead.

You only get these temporary benefits once, so use them wisely.

So you're making Judaism again?

Congress votes in their own wages, and they always go up.
You're focusing on the wrong thing.

lol at all the mad wagies. thanks for paying my way, slaves. the $1500/mo really helps me out, please keep working hard.

By putting these rules in the constitution of our new state and making the eternal and unalterable.

Landowning. White. Men. Only.

People who are really good at working and creating business' should be put in labor camps so us NEETS won't have to do anything.

Discuss.

Also

>No Rothschild central bank. Put it in constitution, unalterable
>Be VERY CLEAR about white citizenship only. The founding fathers held slaves, but they went full fedora/feel-good in our founding documents. "We the people" my ass. It was bound to be reinterpreted to mean everyone.

whether you like or dislike the jews, you ahve to come to terms with the fact that they have acquired power.

Then you have to ask yourself how they acquired that power.

You inevitably come to the conclusion that their religion is explicitly tied to this power.

You are left with the undeniable conclusion that the white man will either have to use the superior weapons of his enemy, or perish under his sword.

You do not refuse to use guns because your enemy uses them? That would be foolish.

Ethno-religion is the same way. It is something that we must adapt to and utilize ourselves, or forever be easily separated because of a lack of ideological cohesion.

I know, it seems as if this would make us the same as our enemies, but no. We don't have to be jews to defeat them. We do, however, have to start having an in-group preference, if we want to survive. Some people would say that that would make us no greater than the jews. Whether that is true or not, we must not allow the conditioning we have undergone to manifest itself, namely how the jewish media has manipulated us into complete objectivity, when in reality reason shouldn't exist in a vacuum of hypotheticals, it should be applied from a pretense of self preservation as the highest goal.

what you said is essentially an extension of 'If you kill your enemies, they win;' that if you sink to the level of your enemies, then you yourself are your enemy. Well, that may be true in principle but the fact of the matter is no matter if I am equal to my enemies in all things, I would still rather survive than he.

that's literally what was in the constitution before the 14th amendment, passed by land owning white men.

Already exists, it's called islam

It was in a "living document" constitution that had the ability to be amended.

These clauses need to be fixed and unalterable.

the same goes for any company receiving tax breaks and all employees of the companies receiving tax breaks

If you're a nigger, you should not be allowed to go to school.

>Paying less money to the government is the same as getting gibs

Liberal logic

lol
policies are meant to affect people, so there will always be a conflict of interest.

>The middle class pay taxes
>The rich pay taxes
>The poor don't

That's the difference, kraut. We know everyone tends to vote in their own interests. However, it's ridiculous to give people a vote on how to spend money that isn't theirs.

islam is not a white ethno-religion.

plus, it is missing a ton of things that I would want white people to hold as spiritual truths

namely

Nietzsche-ite Will to Power, Heideggerian view of the world in relation to the I, Hermetic Kybalion views of the physical world to the metaphysical world, Jungian understanding of psychology as it transitions to the esoteric, Machiavellian outlook on politics (but as a sort of the individual acts machiavellian towards the out groups, but also the ethno-religion as a whole acts machiavellian)

I want to look to portray god AS the will. To me, the biggest difference between islam and christianity is that islam remained a metaphor, while christianity became a literal translation

Metaphors are the HIGHEST form of spiritual writing, because metaphors demand of you to interpret the meaning of them. In my opinion, this in of itself is what spirituality is. I cannot tell you what spirituality is, because only yourself interpreting existence is what spirituality is. So metaphors are spirituality in that sense, since by requiring you to put meaning into them, instead of knowledge, they bring understanding and wisdom.

Islam never turned their god into a corporeal being, while christians did. Big mistake. Now we have retarded autists going 'Fairy in the sky hahah hurr durr'. I believe in God, because I think that God is the WORD used for the CONCEPT of an all pervasive force that gives rise to everything. But again. I cannot explicitly state spirituality. It is in the interpretation of existence that we gain spirituality, because spirituality is basically condensed understanding into what we interpret as existential truth.

in the end, spirituality is faith. If we look at the placebo effect, it shows us that simply believing we will be healed makes us more healed. Then what is faith? Faith is like the grappling hook that we throw to the top of the building. We have faith we can climb it. Will is the muscle to pull us up.

The poor vote for more welfare.
>niggers
The middle class votes for more investment.
>what
The rich vote for tax cuts.
>rich will always be rich
The young vote for affordable/free college.
>the vocal mindless minority do
The old vote for pensions and Medicaid.
>the old fat autistic mindless minority do
Real estate owners vote for inheritance tax abolition.
>what
Homeless vote for social housing.
>they should be voting for a gold standard

ITT: autism

I don't know man, all I'm saying is this:

look at judaism. Look at hinduism. Look at buddhism. Name me a single nation state that has lasted longer than these.

You can't. There is none.

States rise and fall. States can be infiltrated. A solid spiritual doctrine, a foundational text that is unassailable, is the only LASTING and ETERNAL way to homogenize white people, and keep us homogenized, through the struggle of life.

You get that right?

All I'm saying is this. Imagine this for a minute. Do you believe in the power of words? Do you think that there is a way to write a book, that would cause people to kill themselves?

Do you think there is a way to write a book, that it would cause a great majority of the people who read it, to do something?

I believe that there is. I believe in words is the greatest potentiality for change. And I believe that the most likely, powerful, and lasting potentiality for that change, lies in a religion.

That's is very wise of you. You realize that any government assistance should only be a temporary phase and a stepping stone to get to a better place.

We would love in a much better world if most voted for the greater well being of all, rather than their own self interests. If/when everyone becomes broke, there will be no money to take to support those on assistance.

Yes, but only people who contribute something deserve anything back.

My girlfriend is Hispanic and I convinced her to be for trump as well.

She got a little too hardcore though, and shills for him in front of her family, which I don't really appreciate

Voting for the most beneficial organisation.
You are fucking stupid if you would like to see a revoke of voting rights for poors.
A voting right for me and you, as we are clearly one of the top 100 000 is the only thing that matters.
Give us 2 votes and overruling rights to any other vote and we will maintain our richness and fuck the scum.

agreed totally. Only those than can pass a simple IQ test should be given permission to vote as well.

>pass an IQ test

don't you think that IQ shouldn't be stagnant?

imagine if we had a spiritual doctrine that would cause us to forever raise our IQ. Imagine if we had spiritual laws of marriage that incetivized high IQ people to have more kids.

Eventually, what we consider to be average IQ would be much higher amongst that population, but since it would remain stagnant in the average population, the religious group would become more and more tha only option for high IQ people to marry into.

Eventually this group would simply become a separate species.

agreed, more needs to be dealt with. But it's a start. Living on government handouts means no voting. Step one.

No, only the top wealthiest should got a right to vote. You are scum with your 100k in a year. You are nearly as poor as the a fucking homeless.
Fuck you and your voting rights. Also you should spend morre time on TV.

Universal suffrage was a mistake and is a lot more recent than most people think.

Not so long ago, voting was a privilege you earned more so than a right. It guaranteed voters had a stake in preserving the type of society they were living in and allowed them to thrive.

Extending voting privileges to just about anyone guarantees society is defined by the lowest common denominator and whoever promises the more gibs usually wins.

There is a reason leftists want to extend voting rights to immigrants and even prisoners.

This.

in the US election, essentially Illegals can vote.

Each state gets delegates dependent on it's population. The population includes illegals. Most states with illegals are liberal, because these are the states that allow them to live here.

In California, illegals can EXPLICITLY vote. You vote if you have a drivers license. And illegals can get a drivers license. fucking literal treason.

I really really hope Trump gets in and BTFO's this fucking fuck fuck state.

I voted against my NEET interests, I would say I'm not alone either, you can vote for people who don't have it as a major issue - if you don't have a two party system that is.

>I voted against my NEET interests

That's so virtuous and noble of you. So you're a contrarian little cunt, big deal. It doesn't change the fact that most people vote for their perceived short term interests, allowing welfare recipients to vote only benefit politicians that promise them to extend handouts through more taxation or more debt, often both.

If thats the case the rich who pays the most taxes should get the most benefits.
While this isnt untrue, it has nothing to do with the system. Democracy is 1 vote per citizen.
The weakness in the systen ia that citizens are born into it by default

I'm a full time student and student worker at a community college. I make 7.25/hr working 19hrs/wk. I receive 95/mo in food stamps.
I believe in a safety net and assistance for people working to improve their lives. By receiving assistance now, I will be a better earner and will pay more in taxes in my lifetime than I would if I had never received assistance. I am an investment and I believe there is nothing wrong with a government investing in its people. I am right leaning in my political ideology.

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>Democracy is 1 vote per citizen.

No, it's not. That's Universal Suffrage. Voting restrictions applied in many states until the 19th or 20th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage

I think it's a good plan, because if we get rid of welfare, then those people would be able to vote again. So in that sense there would be an ideal amount of welfare to prevent people from voting, while also taxing voters the least.

>I believe in a safety net and assistance for people working to improve their lives. By receiving assistance now, I will be a better earner and will pay more in taxes in my lifetime than I would if I had never received assistance.

Ideally, yes. But the welfare trap is well documented, more often than not people on welfare not only never get their shit together but their own kids are way more likely to end up on welfare themselves.

How can you expect these people not to systematically vote for more gibs ?

> Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage !!!

youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

You've voting primarily to pay less taxes and to cut safety net benefits.

It's still a conflict of interest.

If you cut the social safety nets for the disabled they won't just up and get work, because people don't hire cripples.... that's why they're on disability in the first place.

All you end up doing is shifting the entire burden of those people onto the families that are already taking care of them.. just right now the financial burden is alleviated somewhat by disability.

If you have disabled as entirely the burden of the family, that's a hefty burden on a small group of people that may break them.

If it's socialized it's a smaller burden on a much larger group of people, less likely to break people.

I agree. But this should be expanded to everyone that uses social security of any form, save for veterans.

The elderly, the disabled, food stampers, etc. shouldn't be allowed to vote because they're often only concerned with their own benefits. I live in South FL and I can't tell you how many political ads mention "the other guy wants to REDUCE YOUR BENEFITS!!!" with stock imagery of upset old people. They know exactly what these senile leeches care about, themselves.

>401k

Voting is a conflict of interest because I live in the country that might change somehow if somebody gets elected.

there are people who actually need food stamps to survive, why would you vote for someone who wants to take it away (btw presidents cant do shit so idk how hes suppose to get rid of food stamps) just cause they say theyre going to make the economy better doesnt mean its gonna happen out of no where.

how do you expect them to get a job with no internet, means of transportation or paying for them to develop skills needed in most work spaces?

>how do you expect them to get a job with no internet, means of transportation or paying for them to develop skills needed in most work spaces?

implying if you pay the rent for NEETs and give them free internet and food stamps they'll go out and get a job instead of browsing porn all day.

Obviously nobody wants desperate people to starve for no reason but living off benefits should be uncomfortable enough to motivate you to get a job. If you don't have the skills to make it, maybe you belong to the poorhouse where they could teach help you get your shit together.

this. there are selfish reasons other than welfare to vote for people

Totally agree

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what about all those white trashes who are republican voters?
Obama should have had the balls to vote that law
most of trump supporters live on welfare

Well it depend.. can you band over real quick ?

Back to Eugenic dream ?

Purge what you suggestion ?

Asatru?

Where do I sign up?

You're a fucking idiot you know.

You do realize that most people vote for politicians for personal benefits?