They want me to pay almost 100,000 euros for a 50 sqm 1 bedroom apartment (this is a family apartment here already lol)...

They want me to pay almost 100,000 euros for a 50 sqm 1 bedroom apartment (this is a family apartment here already lol). At least its close to the subway but still, housing prices in this country are horrible.

Do you know this feel?

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its the same in turkmany

In Berlin real estate is cheaper than in Warsaw. And they have really big flats. 55 sqm is still a studio for a single.

2000€/sqm isn't that bad, in my area it's a bit over that.

Pretty hard to compare between countries but Stockholm is hell, other cities are pretty bad but the countryside is cheap

what's up with the housing crisises anyway
it seems like it's a pan-western phenomena, why is it happening everywhere?

But I make only 700 eur/month and most of people here don't make more than 1000 eur/month.

I'm sure Poland has the worst housing prices:wages ratio in the entire world

Sounds pretty bad but this is probably one of the more expensive parts of the city right? Maybe it's not the average price.

buy it quick retard, an equivalent apartment in Oslo costs 1 million euros and thats still cheap compared to London. When Poland becomes first world, housing prices in Warsaw will reach this level too

This is one of the cheapest parts of the city. Average price for 1 sqm in Warsaw in new buildings is 9500 PLN now and it's 2250 eur. In expensive neighborhoods the prices are around 3-4k for sqm.

How are you suppose to live in Poland when the minimum wage is 2000zl per month?

I don't have such money yet, I'll have to wait for 4-5 years because I don't want to get mortgage and become a bank slave for the next 20 years.

But I won't have any choice either even though the prices are absurd.

And Poland will never be first world. High housing prices as compared to wages are a typical second world trait. As far as I know in Russia they have it even worse.

You live with your parents until you're 40. Then you get mortgage for the next 30 years.

Or you simply go to the UK to clean toilets for 10 years.

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Isn't it cheaper to rent a flat then buying one then? I'm renting mine because I can't really afford to buy one. A two room (with kitchen) cost 100 000 euro in my city.

same here, seriously

Same here. Newly built single bedroom apartment in a non-crappy part of town.

Ouch, I hope that's an exaggeration. Don't you have some government scheme to help you with your first home? Here it's not that hard to get a first home, but then you'l have to pay it off in like 20 years (not kidding).

about the same in my neighborhood
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take a peek if you want to.

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>Isn't it cheaper to rent a flat then buying one then?

No, rent prices are also high as fuck and if you rent, after 30 years you end up with nothing, while if you pay mortgage, after 30 years you get the apartment at least.

>A two room (with kitchen) cost 100 000 euro in my city.

So just like here, but your wages are 4 times as high as here.

> I can't really afford to buy one.

I don't believe how you can't afford an apartment if you make more than 2000 eur/month I guess. You would pay the mortgage after 5 years.

Also, first worlders can't save money for shit. They make so much, yet somehow many of them manage to end up with debt. Do you really have to buy the newest iPhone every year? Or go on a trip around the world every two years? Or change your car every year?

it's 5 times less than what they ask here, sounds like a great deal desu

>Here it's not that hard to get a first home, but then you'l have to pay it off in like 20 years (not kidding).

So here you can also get mortgage, but that's what I want to avoid. I want to buy the flat for cash, I don't want to pay interest rates for 20 years and pay to the bank twice as more as I actually borrowed.

> Don't you have some government scheme to help you with your first home?

First we had cheaper mortgage co-funded by the government but the new government said it helped only banks (because they simply increased interest rates), so the new government has embarked on a big project to build cheap apartments in state-owned parcels in cities. But since this government talks more than does, they've been talking about it for 2 years and almost nothing has been done so far (they've built only few blocks in small towns in the middle of nowhere).

>city is located in periphery of the Netherlands
>half the postal codes belong to poorest in the country
>housing prices best comparable with economic powerhouses like Amsterdam and Utrecht
I very well know that feel. I tried to rent an apartment with a friend. Monthly cost about €1k.

THEY ASKED FOR PROOFS WE MADE 5K PER MONTH TOGETHER
Who the fuck earns that much

I hate Romanians now because they write articles in American newspapers about investing in Eastern Poland and Americans buy out our apartments and raise prices:

nytimes.com/2016/10/09/realestate/real-estate-in-poland.html

During the crisis until 2014 about 0 housing has been build in my city while urbanization continues and population ages (more people living on their own).
It’s like that all over the western world.

It's above 3000€/sqm in Prague.

pollmill.com/f/what-is-the-size-of-kou-asaoka-s-nipple-gskrsza/answers/new.html

Eastern Europe is more retarded, because we are depopulating fast, our society is getting older and older, people die out or simply move abroad, yet house prices grow like crazy, even though we have a construction boom and new homes appear in the market even faster.

Good flat in the centre of Prague can easily cost 230 000€. It's a fucking joke, taking into account that average monthly salary (brutto) in Prague is about 1400€. If you don't inherit a flat from your parents/grandparents you're pretty much sentenced to a life of a rent-slave.

Yes but incomes are rising and people are not willing to sell old properties.

In eastern Europe another factor is commie blocks, which will soon crumble so it's not a future investment. I imagine most people aren't willing to invest in a cockroach infested commie block.

>he thinks the housing in his country is expensive

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Polish toilet cleaners that work in Norway get like 2000 zloties for each child they have, even though the children never have sat feet in Norway

Stop bitching, get creative, open a business or w/e prices are like that because people are willing to dish out that much money, just because you're on the low end of the socio-economical ladder doesnt entitle you to bitch about it.

Instead do something to improve your life or start earning more.

Fucking hell, no one is forcing you to buy an apartment that you cant afford.

Everyone in this thread sounds like entitled fucks who have no idea how the real estate market works.
Keep buying into this shit and buying overpriced houses as an investment or for your personal use and you'll end up like australia who are nuts and who will soon fall crashing and burning just the US did in 2007/8

Fuck you all, be smart with your money

>people are not willing to sell old properties.

Depends on the prices

>Yes but incomes are rising

It's still like 50 years until average wages in Eastern Europe catch up with western Europe like Germany or Sweden.

What would it change if they lived in Norway? It would be only worse for you, because you'd also have to provide education and healthcare for them, now Poland does it. And they will come to Norway sooner or later anyway, as they won't find good jobs in Poland.

>I imagine most people aren't willing to invest in a cockroach infested commie block.

You'd be surprised. Sure, prices of commieblock flats are lower, but still pretty high.

70k euros for 36 Square meters wihtout furniture in vilnius in new house not in city center.

>Stop bitching, get creative, open a business

Yeah, change your job, get a loan, I know this, mr Komorowski.

>because you're on the low end of the socio-economical ladder doesnt entitle you to bitch about it.

I am not. I make more than median wage in Poland, that is only 2500 PLN/month:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Tyle-zarabia-sie-w-Polsce-Mediana-plac-ok-2500-zl-na-reke-7557767.html

50% of Poles make less than 2500 PLN (600 eur)/month. Do you understand this? Meanwhile, housing prices are skyrocketing everywhere.

>Fucking hell, no one is forcing you to buy an apartment that you cant afford.

Apartment is not just a toy, it's a basic need.

I do know that feel. You cant buy anything for 100.000 euro here where I live.

I think it would cost around 160.000 euro here. In a Moroccan neighbourhood.

>in-url json
Why are macacos not able to make decent code?

Nope, here in the far north it's cheap.
Paid 7k Euro for my 64 sqm 2 room apartment with a balcony and full bath/washing room.

In the Netherlands you do have a lot of cheap areas though.
If you are willing to live near the g*rman border.

You can buy land and build a cheap house outside of town, or buy a cheaper house.

Just because you want a large house or in a prime location doesnt mean you should get it. Land is a commodity, its scarce, everyone wants to live in a nice place, preferably in a large home/house.

If you want to change that, then go on the streets and start screaming that you want communism back.

Well, flats in Stockholm can cost 3 000 000 euro..

This, my parents paid 27 million SEK for their flat in one of the nicer areas.

Yes
t. Moscow center

paid 60k for a 12sqm room

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Can you buy a room in Belgium? Here it's impossible I guess.

for 100k you can barely get a garage here in Munich

>house prices grow like crazy,

Not Poland, according to Eurostat. Growing 4.5% YoY. Czechia and Hungary is another story.

Kind of. I pretty much gave up on getting an apartment in the city centre because a 50sqm one costs about 200k (in Tartu that is). Settled for an apartment outside the city in a small town. 60sqm three rooms separate kitchen and two bathrooms. When i bought it the eur/sqrm was 600, now it's 1000. I love real estate bubbles!

Median salary includes people from all over the country, including poorest regions. It's obvious that average Pole can't afford to buy a house in the richest and most expensive place in Poland, just like an average Englishman will never be able to afford a flat in London downtown. Average salary in Warsaw is over 6k, that's like 50% higher than rest of Poland.

>almost 5% a year
>not like crazy

Given that our population leaves the country for good the prices should drop not rise.

200k in such a small town like Tartu? Well, that's already insane.

>average salary in Warsaw is over 6k

>CEO in a foreign company makes 50k
>10 corpo-rats from Mordor make 3k

>B-but the average wage is 6k why do you even complain?

>separate kitchen

Its funny how it became a "luxury" thing now even though in old commieblocks separate kitchens are common, I've never seen a kitchenette in a commieblock.

>Do you know this feel?
>$350k for studio apartment is a starting price here :(

>The average income after tax in Warsaw is around 3750 PLN, or approximately 850$ per month.
Something smells.

That's just in the centre and old-town and your specified sqm. You can get a tiny shitshack in the outskirts for 30000 if you so please.

I absolutely detest the "open" kitchen meme. Cooking and eating belongs in the kitchen.

Still, comparing median country salaries with real estate prices in Warsaw downtown area makes no sense. Average Pole is not entitled to buy a house in the richest and most expensive area.
>10 corpo-rats from Mordor make 3k
3k is what experienced cashier makes here

>Center of Moscow
Tы жe eбaнyтый, пиздyй зa MКAД.

>When Poland becomes first world
kek

He meant gross wages for Warsaw obviously.

>That's just in the centre and old-town and your specified sqm

Still expensive as fuck.

Don't show wages brutto, everyone cares only how much he gets in hand

3750 pln is 1100 USD

I guess "studio" in Canada means something like 70 sqm. Also your wages are high as fuck.

>You live with your parents until you're 40. Then you get mortgage for the next 30 years.
Why don't you just save and buy without mortgage? If you are staying until your 40s surely you can at least save most of it.

I can relate. recently heard in the news prices in Berlin are rising. ~3460/sqm if you want to buy, decent flats for rent are ~550-800€/month (excluding internet and electricity) I guess.

>Paid 7k Euro for my 64 sqm 2 room apartment with a balcony and full bath/washing room.
Shit. With a good job one could buy one of those per month. What the fuck?

well no shit you're in the city. dziadzio listed his comfy acerage outside lublin for lower than that, and hasn't been able to sell if for 4 years.

You don't seem to be taking into account how low wages are in Poland. They literally make less then an 18 year old working as a waiter part time in berlin.

>Still expensive as fuck.
Tell me about it. The average salary pre-tax is only 1300-1400 (haven't seen first quarter data yet, but salaries are rising very fast atm). So if you want to buy without getting into debt you're pretty much stuck with your parents, saving up, or renting a really shitty apartment with friends and living like a rat.

Not that the average Berliner earns big time. So it more like Munich or Frankfurt then? Even the suburbs and surrounding towns are expensive.

>Not that the average Berliner earns big time
Yes they do. Wages are incredibly higher then then Poland and they are higher then Italy too.

You think you're getting screwed?

Belgrade has the same price/sq2 and their average salary is like €400

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just get a house

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I already have a house with a large garden out of town, I need an apartment in the city.

Try to save something from your 500 eur wage lol.

>wages in Berlin are 300% higher than here
>house prices are only 70% higher

Yeah but wages in Lublin are even lower than here.

I know this feel. Is there any industry in Tartu, though? The town seems to be really small.

But Serbs have a lot of money from human trafficking and drug selling.

Houses in Warsaw are way more expensive. And outside Warsaw are too far away from the city, I don't want to commute for 2 hours.

>Try to save something from your 500 eur wage lol.
How do you pay the mortgage then? If you can pay a mortgage you can save that same money to buy a house in the future instead.

Don't know exactly about the wages in Italy or Poland but you need to look at total living costs - and these tend to be higher in Germany. So Berlin is on the poor side compared to other major German cities.

You marry before you get mortgage so your credit score could be higher obviously. Also, we assume you already make more than 500 eur in your 40s, but before that you make so little so you can't save up much.

Do you live in Rome or Milan?

Skype. A load of software jobs. An engineering hub which houses a lot of firms doing SPACE. The university, which is the biggest employer in Tartu. The largest electronics manufacturing factory in southern Estonia plus a few smaller ones. Etc.

There's also going to be a cellulose refinement factory which will bump Estonian GDP by a 1%-2% if it gets up and running. But that's a bit iffy since there's a lot of opposition towards it. You know, the eco nuts.

I struggle to get what is your point.
Yes, Germany is much richer country with higher standards of living, everyone knows that.
Yes, people from the lower end of social ladder, who earn minimum salary, probably will never be able to afford to buy a new house in the city on their own. Just like other poor people in literally every other country in the World, including the West.

If you want to buy a small 2 bedroom apartment in Zurich it will cost at least 500,000 euros.

numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Poland&country2=Germany&city1=Warsaw&city2=Berlin

Interesting. I wouldn't think such a small town could attract so many specialised hi tech companies. Is the university in Tartu really that good? I know it was founded by the Polish king haha.

>Germany is much richer country with higher standards of living, everyone knows that.
Good.

People in Berlin can get their apartment much faster than people from Warsaw that's what bothers me. Why, if housing prices in countries should be adjusted to local purchasing power as you don't import much to build a house, you use local workers and materials

Nice excuses. The point stands that Berlin has higher wages as well as better purchasing power.

>2 bedroom
>small

Here it would be a big apartment for 2+2 family.

>I know it was founded by the Polish king haha.

No it wasn't, it was founded by Gustavus Adolphus.

The Polish king founded the gymnasium that was turned into a university by Gustavus. But whatever.

Lithuania is always mad when it turns out Poles did something nice for Baltic countries because Lithuanian propaganda says Poles only destroyed things.

Pls don't listen to propaganda.

I try not to shill too hard for my own university, but, it's the best here so it attracts the best minds and companies either grow out of there or settle here because they can be sure there's a steady output of qualified specialists in all fields not just some niche fields.

No, I'm mad when I see revisionism. The fact is the Polish king founded a grammar school and university was established by Gustavus.

So yours or other Poles claim is factually incorrect.

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This doesn't help you if prices in general are higher. And the process basically ("gentrification"/middle classes moving into big cities) is the same as pointed out.

In Berlin there is a housing shortage (for the lower income classes) though. And housing prices rise because of a wide range of regultations.

people are moving to the cities but regulation still says that the only kind of house people should be allowed to build is single family homes on the edge of town

hence mostly high end flats get built where people actually want to live (lucrative enough that they can navigate the regulations and retarded planning process)

>This doesn't help you if prices in general are higher
Do you not know what purchasing power is?

>revisionism

Wow, tough words. I'd say it's just little misunderstanding. "Revisionism" would be saying that Wilno was founded by Samogitians or sth like that.

>"Revisionism" would be saying that Wilno was founded by Samogitians or sth like that.

It would be, since it was founded by Aukštaitians my dear little poleling friend.

If you really had housing shortage your prices would be way higher, just like here.

move to another city or town

>Aukštaitians

I though "Poles" is "Lenkai" in Lithuanian. Is "Aukštaitians" another word for Poles?

>Also your wages are high as fuck.
lower than in the US

Nah name for Poles is šūdlenkiai :).

>wages in my country are lower than in the richest big country in the world even though they're higher than 98% of the world but I still complain