Can we have a serious discussion about porn addiction?

Can we discuss this?
I never took this subject seriously but lately porn has been increasingly better and I have found it hard many times not to fap..
I realized even though in my case it isnt serious it was getting out of control..so i decided to give porn a break..
what are you views?

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I think it's more interesting to look at heads and wonder how the brain fits in those weird shapes. Mongoloids take the cake on that one.

Like most things, just have some self control.

I was a 3 fap a day NEETlord a few years back and i'd agree that isn't healthy, but i think 'porn addiction' is more a symptom of other problems, like your life is so shitty the only endorphin release you can get is from nutting.

I personally don't buy the whole 'Porn rots your brain' malarkey, but i only jerk off every 3-4 days so whatever.

I agree that in my case..my worse days i used to release were my most depressed/stressed days..makes sense probably was a release to get rid of worry or something

Interesting graphic. Found this article with it.

>Pornography addiction leads to same brain activity as alcoholism or drug abuse, study shows

independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/pornography-addiction-leads-to-same-brain-activity-as-alcoholism-or-drug-abuse-study-shows-8832708.html

how the fuck do I quit?

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So what's the conclusion on those scans?

So we can rule out Alcohol and Porn so.

Ask someone who is genuinely addicted to porn anything. Since realizing I have it I've studied it a fair bit and I can see the affects it has had on my life.

quit what?

Do you have trouble getting off?

>ywn be paid money to get serviced by teens

Aren't there therapy programs and support groups in the Netherlands?

Porn addiction is all bullshit.

Jacking off, is not any different than having sex.

So, if you fuck alot, that's okay. cause your porking some woman.

But fucking your hand is bad?

This is some fem nazi mental gymnastic programming they got going on.

the reason women come out and say "porn is bad" is because *shock face.
They actually have to compete with women who like to fuck!
and femnazi's don't like that. Women don't like that.
They want to be happy putting the least amount of effort into something SHE knows you get more pleasure out of it. than she does.

There is no such thing as porn addiction. Because if there is. Then there has to be such thing as addiction to fucking. And if fucking ain't bad. porn ain't either.

I can fuck my girlfriend all day and still find time to fap once or twice, do I have a problem? Isn't this... sex addiction? I don't cheat because I kill it with fapping, but you know....

I get bored with porn after a while. I'm not into any increasing freaky shit. I just get bored so I stop doing it. Like with drinking. After a few weekends of getting drunk it's just not that fun anymore and I'd rather read a book.

Maybe I'm just not wired for addiction or something.

Some medieval turnip farmer was happier fucking his fat bucktoothed wife every night because he had never seen an attractive woman naked

Sex addiction is real, Porsche SUV.

my dick is overworked, and I can't be arsed to lift a finger for the girls who clearly want my dick. I need help, I have to quit this shit.

>Porsche SUV
What did he mean by this?

That's not the problem the problem is when you don't go to work to fap, or skip your kids soccer game

HAHAHAHAHAHAH,

everyone has done that!

but you dont' miss work to "jerk off"
but you just wanna miss work, jerking off all day, is just part of the fun.

And kids soccer sucks.

>Like most things, just have some self control.
I literally type this out but then saw someone else already wrote it. It's hilarious when people accuse everyone else of being degenerate but then can't keep their hands off their dick.

this..

average bitches have a hard time getting me hard.

Which really sucks because I'm as average as it comes.

CTR is sliding the FBI release.
Sage and hide CTR threads.
Also
Masculinity is self-control. Nobody ever forced you to use porn.

> porn-addiction-brain-scan.jpg

the spots that light up there for chronic man are the same areas where i sometimes get headaches trying to fap. intredasting

Yes it is very bad, and I've stopped it

I was pretty addicted to porn up until a few weeks ago. I can't say I feel much different honestly, but I still jerk it once every 3 or 4 days cause my libido is so fucking high. I'm definitely not so lazy and deflated though, I feel stronger at gym and more focused in short term things if that's worth much and I hit on girls at work with marginally greater ease.

It may get better with time though, it really hasn't been that long yet so there's room to improve. I imagine it be one of those things that snowballs as opposed to some overnight miracle

So yeah, I wouldn't say getting off porn massively altered my life or anything but the trade off is good enough that if you have the will power it's worth doing

Dude, at least your not like me. Sometimes I will jack off 3 times in a row. Have you ever jacked off so many times you balls felt completely empty? I have gone past that.

Today a jizzed nothing but pre-cum out my flaccid penis. It took almost 20 minutes and I was sweating profusely. But I did it. One of the best orgasms you can ever attain isn't from holding off on nutting but instead fapping so much that your balls and gooch needs to strain hard as fuck to get the jizz out.

I have fapped 7 times today, and before I go to bed I will probably fap 2 more times.

Degeneracy.

It is a weakness and porn and increased grip will kill your sensitivity. I jerked off twice a day for years to porn and it took another few years to get my sensitivity and sex drive back. If you're skilled with your hand, a vagina won't have enough effect.

I had two times where I literally had limp dick. I was getting sucked off by a bitch with a killer body and could hardly feel it. Sure I was drunk as a skunk but years before I was beating it daily, it wasn't an issue. Second time was with a little cutie Mexican girl who I was totally turned on by, but her vag wasn't doing it for me with a condom on, and barely doing enough with it off. I literally had to pull out and beat it onto her face after a minute or two. Luckily she stuck with me and I went cold turkey on jerking it and sex. She was really conservative and said sex was a mistake and we held off for like six months. After that my dick started to make a comeback and it got healthier. I still have periods where I jerk off but i try not to because I'm so proficient at it that its unhealthy.

Why is it so wrong that "compulsive pornography users" have more activity in one part of the brain?

Junk science, look what they actually found.
Person who likes [x] responds to [x].
Wow, what a totally unexpected result.

It actually shows you what a dismal failure (functional) brain imaging science has been.

People have been trying to work out a way of saying porn is harmful since the Meese Report. Nothing solid in 46 years.

If you jack off a lot, you feel like you've jacked off a lot.
If you look at something a lot, you temporarily get used to the thing you looked at.

You can put layers of Bro science on this but file under no shit sherlock.

Gail Dines (angry lesbian anti-porn feminist) used to write a lot that there was "vast" evidence about the harmful effects of porn, "countless studies" etc.

She was eventually challenged to name three.

Next article in the Guardian was about how she'd decided "science shit" was patriarchal oppression. Never did see the three papers out of the "overwhelming consensus" and "mountain of data".

Obviously if you are compulsively jacking off constantly, different issue but again, has as much to do with porn as showering 100 times a day really has to do with hygiene. Its a compulsive behaviour, you've got a wiring fault, not a problem with a stimulus.

Interesting you bring this up OP. The last days I’ve been editing on a book a friend worked on over the last years that speaks about porn addiction, its causes and problems it can generate. I also work on a small drug rehab clinic (Albeit I haven’t spent time with the patients for a long time but I understand the ways addictions work very well). I can’t release much info on the book for obvious reasons, but I wanted to let you all know that there are people interested in this subject, and is a subject to be taken seriously.

But please bear in mind: You can be addicted to anything. But the moment it crosses the line of addiction you’re already damaging your body and mind. The book speaks about this as well but this should be common knowledge.

Stay tuned if you ever hear on a book on this subject being released the following weeks. Meanwhile I can answer any questions regarding addiction if anyone is interested.

>the problem is when you don't go to work to fap, or skip your kids soccer game

If anything gets to that kind of level then the person has way more problems in their life than just "I can control myself when it comes to self control". A lot of people seem to think that gate way drugs are a thing but it is hardly the case. The reason people get addicted to shit is because they have deep problems, pain or emotions that they want to suppress and use a said substant to do it.

>But the moment it crosses the line of addiction you’re already damaging your body and mind.

Utter drivel.

My brain MRI scans would probably look pretty weird, and not just because I look at porn, I only look at cartoon porn anyway. I'm not all that big on porn anymore.

What's wrong with it? If it stops people from raping and being hormonal apes, What's the deal? I like the far-right's issue of porn being terrible and also expecting all people to be composed beings who aren't bursting to fuck. Porn temporarily sedates sexual desires in men. Sexual desires that are usually 24/7 anyway.

>can't find a woman to fuck me

HAHA YOU SUCK YOU LOSER

>go home and jerk off

HAHA YOU'RE ADDICTED TO PORN YOU LOSER

I'd fap more but cum stinks and I can't be fucked cleaning up. That's pretty much it.

The only real problems I see are your libido is always drained, so you don't have a forcefield of dick magic to repel your repulsion for women's bullshsit, and you condition yourself to cum from gripping, and not sliding, so it can make it hard to cum.

And having a hard time cumming is horrible. I miss the days as a kid when I could cream from an AVON catalogue in less than a minute.

Porn has been a majorly destructive influence in my life. I've been trying to quit porn for like 9 years, and I still rub one out pretty much every day.

It's really fucked me up psychologically because I was raised by my parents to be all about family and marriage, but now the only kind of sexuality I'm interested in is stuff you do with a bargirl or prostitute who you'll never see again.

I've been using jerking off as pain relief. I've had an unexplainable neck/headache pain for a couple of years and one of the only things that helps is cumming. It feels like a rush of liquid goes right to my neck and eases my pain for a while. Works better than any OTC painkiller. That's seriously the only reason I don't quit porn.

What could be happening? I actually feel some kind of movement of liquids into the muscles of my neck when this happens. Weird as shit. Can't work because of the pain, and can't get insurance because no job.

Cause and effect dude, think about it a bit.

I would like to hear your reasoning behind it, would you kindly?

Anything in excess is bad. There is people that becomes so addicted that they will do anything to satisfy their needs and it can cross the line where the safety of others no longer matters to them. Sure you can argue that they are only damaging themselves at most, but damage is damage, be it done to yourself or others.

Have you ever considered visiting a therapist to help you with that issue?

Define addiction for me in a way that isn't circular.

It really is something. I go here, then to /gif/ find a video to masturbate to and then go to /r9k/ to hate myself because I'm a fucking loser. It shouldn't have been like this, but at least suicide is an option. My brain is fucked up for many reasons and I feel constant anxiety and feel worthless and it probably is linked to masturbating and going to this site. But there is nothing fucking else. You can scream out in despair but then everybody will think that you are insane. So you scream really loud in your head and pray for the pain and constant anxiety to stop. But only suicide would do the trick I think.

They come as a three-day conference for adult website operators began in London today, with talks including “State of the Industry: The War on Porn”.

Women’s rights activists plan to protest outside the meet at the Radisson Edwardian Bloomsbury Hotel today, wearing overalls and masks in defiance of an industry which they describe as “toxic”.
top tier shit ... war on porn ... its what next ? war on sugar ? meat? vege-warriors? war on porn is as lost in the begining as war on non vegetarian food

But they don't give a shit about ending porn. They're protesting the fact that it threatens their monopoly on access to sex.

They'll protest VR and sex robots for the same reason.

>protip he can't
Think about it user, why would anyone write a book about addiction? There's nothing nuanced that can be said about it, he's just some mexican psuedo-intellectual

Probably due to your body producing a hormone called Oxytocin after ejaculation. It reduces inflammation for a temporary period in some cases. You should look for high CBD cannabis if it's legal in your state.

man these peeps are rare as fuck

Do you want...more?

Define "circular" first. You also didn't answer my question.

This. They don't care if men and women are treated like shit and all the bad shit they have to go through sometimes. They just want the power of abusing their body back.

If you took the time to read my post I said I am editing a book, not writing it. But I guess I should retort to shitposting rather than mentioning something of relevancy on the main topic.

I was waiting for him to try because even amongst believers in "porn addiction" it apparently works differently from every other form of addiction including not just drugs but things like gambling as regards effects of exposure and reward.

They accept this.

The most dangerous thing about porn addiction is that people believe it exists.

I have a girlfriend, I just use it when it's not convenient, like before a big meeting. It's not a big deal and I'm not doing a billion faps a day, it's more of a stress reliever that I use when I'm too exhausted or it's not convenient to have sex.

I'm given to bouts of jerking off to porn for hours on end, especially when depressed.

Women's rights was a mistake.
They have done literally nothing but ban every single thing they can get their hands on. They do not understand the concepts of freedom or recognize individuals rights to do something they don't like.

Got the non-cropped version of this?

See above post.

Look up "moral panic" and "moral entrepreneur" on Wikipedia if you really want to understand what is going on, sociology is more relevant than neural science in this matter.

Whether porn addiction exists can be debated, if it does it works differently from every other addiction ever observed.

But that there should be a panic about porn addiction? That was inevitable.

fap every other day with no porn. you have to get off regularly somehow or youll go insane OP. moderation.

This Aussie gets it.

>muh nucleus accumbens
Nice low res voxels, OP.

>just two times a day

pleb dicks

>not waiting in the car while fapping to soccermoms

...

I've read about this (high CBD strains) and actually in a state nearby medical marijuana is legal. It's such a shame that the health system is so shit in this country, I could get back to being a productive member of society so quickly if only I could get rid of this pain or at least get it under control. You guys don't know how good you have it.

Circular logic.

Addiction is ultimately defined by harm.
But you've already defined addiction as inherently harmful.

I was clowning on. Its the sort of thing I'd have thought an editor of medical books would understand.

>you guys don't know how good you have it
Well, I'm deaf and autistic.

Dont be fooled by fMRI studies: they are garbage.
pnas.org/content/113/28/7900.full

>I was a 3 fap a day NEETlord
gtfo normie

A lot of these pro-anti fap people can only do 2 to 3 a day and say they have a problem. They barely have a functional dick and they want to quit rofl low test

or you can start fixing your self up

Kek, had an awful toothache over a weekend when the dentist was closed and I fapped furiously for the same reason. Only helped for a half an hour tops, though.
You still in the thread, Sombrerobro? I was mentally addicted to the herbal Jew until lately (mental, not physical addiction, wasn't having DT or withdrawals and shit, just really always wanted to smoke). I found that it wrecked my impulse control and I would jack it ALL the time, just getting high and edging for hours. It was almost like some sort of sex trance when I went all out. Overeating and missing deadlines at work and home also followed.

It's been a week since I last smoked, and besides the typical things (vivid dreams, no sex drive, no desire to eat) I think the lack of THC/CBD has had an effect on my ability to self-control. I did smoke daily for 3 years, however. I'm curious- in your opinion and experience what kind of repercussions does behavior like this have in the long term after quitting? Do you have any marijuana addicts? How do you help them?

dont go cold turkey. just try to slowly do it less.

so try and fap only once per week. then eventually, once every 2 weeks, etc etc.

also means building some resistance to temptation. so when you see something on Sup Forums, you DONT go looking for the source.

cut out pixiv and porn sites

delete any porn on your computer

the less easy access you have to porn, the easier to not fap to it

kek go away summerfag.

someone cant handle their weed

Same way you quit any addiction:

By becoming legitimately ashamed or afraid of it.

Now you bring some really solid points to discuss about.

However you can argue all addictions start with very similarly (How they develop over time is another story): People become addicted to fill a void, feel better, out of curiosity, you name it. Then it gets worse as it progress, to keep it simple.

Now I don’t believe there should be any moral panic around porn addiction but you can argue it’s been on the rise ever since feminism and women started to push for more privileges and society started to treat men like garbage and make them feel expendable. Plus Internet makes porn easy to access so you can get your fix at any time, smart phones made it even easier so now you can get your fix anywhere, almost for free.

Well you got me. I am an amateur when it comes to editing, is my first time in fact. I am doing it to gain experience on something different for a change. After I am done he'll hire a more serious editor, I am mostly prettifying the book and fixing anything he might’ve missed, which has proven to be a good choice because English isn’t his first language (He lives in Central Europe in fact) and I’ve trimmed it down really well.

However when the topic of addiction was brought up I couldn’t help it but want to participate. I am focused more on the psychological aspect on the subject so our views will greatly differ.

Yeah I am. Allow me to reply on another post though.

You must be 18 to enjoy this site, user.

>says he smoked daily for 3 years
>he can't handle weed
He OVERHANDLED weed, you moron. Thats max degeneracy. You've very clearly never smoked the weed.

ive been smoking for 10 years.

telling others to not smoke weed because you abused it is childish

look to the left your brain chemistry changes
look to the right your brain chemistry changes
everything you do affects your neural pathways

Who are you talking to?

I KNOW I abused it. I'm either quitting for good or just taking a break and learning to balance it. But daily for 3 years is hardly newfag territory for smoking. I was at about 1/2 oz a month, 1 if you count splitting with the gf which I did. Nothing too crazy but enough to have smoking take up all of my spare time.

Don't do this. It only makes it much worse. Fear is what drives a ton of people into addiction.

Feeling shame is normal but you need to accept you're addicted to something, that’s always the first step. Then you can slowly build your way to self improvement, there is a shitton of ways. This post is a good example. But another good tactic is to resist your urges one day at at time.

When you say "I won't masturbate for a week" you're adding pressure to your mind. Instead say "I won't masturbate today". Say the same tomorrow, and the next day. Is easier to wait for over a day than say, a week or a month. You'll be adding less pressure to your mind this way.

To be frank with you they don’t inform me much once they leave the clinic. They follow other procedures that I don’t take part of. But weed users have it the easiest of them all when it comes to rehab, but you really went over the line there.
As about the withdrawal effects really depends on the time and dosage user. Most weed users drop it and move into harder drugs after they realize it isn't strong enough for them, sometimes they will do many drugs together to get different results. Your case was very prolonged so of course you'll be feeling it for quite some time, but that depends of how long drugs stays on your system. Believe or not you’ve saved up a lot of shit in your body during those 3 years, so if you can visit saunas, do exercise and overall detox your body.

1/2

2/2
In the clinic the guys in rehab have a small gym and a trainer to make them active and focus their mind on a healthier activity that will help them in the long term. And under their own will they had to stay inside the clinic (Which is decently sized and everyone had their own room), they weren’t allowed to go outside a radius (This was to prevent them to buy drugs outside but the clinic is located in the countryside away from the city anyways).

They were also allowed to finish high school and college inside the installation, they were taught how to use computers, carpentry and blacksmiting (If they wanted to), and were served food 3 times a day every day, and they helped to cook.

There aren’t really many serious withdrawals effects with marihuana though, in your case I can see it being more serious so I’d expect you’ll have mood swings and body pain and you’ll notice you act less “numb” over time (Which is a good thing, mind you). But now that you have quit consider your reason to have gotten into it in the first place. Consider yourself lucky it was just marihuana.

I make no misconceptions about how mild quitting was compared to harder drugs, certainly. As of a week it's the effects aren't really anything besides what I mentioned, like the vivid dreams and lack of appetite. My desire to imbibe was usually just because it was an escape, I think.

That sounds like really decent treatment. I'm curious how many people were even there for MJ versus the typical "heavy" drugs like coke and H. Some good insight though user, thanks. More motivation to start running again and get this garbage out of my system.

I jerk off when I wake up (because it wakes me up) and when I go to bed (because it puts me to sleep.). So long as you recognize that it's all fake and you are basically tricking biology, what's the problem?

23 years here. Everyday. I'm fine, have a job, happy, etc. 3 years is nothing.

Do research on how long drugs can stay inside of your body, you'll be surprised. It might happen that during a detox you start feeling the effects of the drug, but that's because you're getting it out of you. You're not truly sober until you stop feeling/acting under the effects of the drug. You haven't smoked in a week, I congratulate you, but you're not sober yet if you still feel some effects.

Most people get treatment with Marihuana, so they don’t stay for a long time, for it’s easy to treat, and we don’t force any ideologies on the guys that come to us. We give them the option if they want something more spiritual/religious or any pragmatic. Psychological therapy however is a must.

I might live on a shithole and I admit it, but we have some decent people and decent stuff going on.

I'm of the opinion that there were other factors in my life that made me get stupid with it. For about the first year everything was balanced just fine. I never lost a job or anything over it, it just really screwed with my state of mind. Hearing about people who can use it responsibly makes me happy, but like Mexibro said, I just crossed a major line.
>Most people get treatment with Marihuana
I did not expect that. Is its use as common there as, say, the southwest US?
>I might live on a shithole and I admit it
At least you have a rehab center. The shithole town I live in shut its only one down years ago.

There's no such thing. There's just retardation.

Do you think it has impacted your life positively or negatively?

>tfw being addicted to sex and constant horniness is one of my fetishes

fuck quack doctors I have a fuckin great time fapping all the time

I've reduced my porn usage over the last 4 years from three times a day to about once a week. (I still fap about once every day or two). Gotta say it's a strange feeling, I'm much more aggressive (good or bad) and I have a lot more energy. I also don't feel as nervous when speaking to women as I once did.

On the flip side I feel strangely immasculated now that I realize how devoid of sex my life really is.

I watch fucked up cuck hentai tentacle porn, am I included in teh group of people the porns is not bad for?

People react differently to drugs. It is possible that some might even have some benefits from it, but that’s a rarity. Remember that most drugs were used as medicine and had other purposes before they turned into what they are today. I mean, you can use pharmacy bought medicine and use it as a way to get highs too.

We had people coming to us for help with their addiction on cigarettes and alcohol so people coming for Marihuana alone isn’t too strange.

And I live near the south of the US, so that’s a yes. Marihuana gets a lot of shit mainly because it’s the doorway that gets people into harder and harder drugs. They start with Marihuana, move with Cocaine, Heroin, etc. just to see “What it is like”. You get the drill.

And in fact is not the only rehab clinic in here but most are pretty bad. You’ll have patients escaping the installations and coming back high or the people in charge abusing the patients into submission to stop using drugs. Pretty harsh shit man.