Are there still people out there who don't think there's any life outside of earth?

Are there still people out there who don't think there's any life outside of earth?

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We haven't found any life outside of earth and everything we look at appears to be entirely hostile to life as we know it.

On top of that, we don't even know how life started on this planet - all of our biological sciences indicate that the genesis of life on earth was a massively improbable

Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Of course it's improbable, but the Universe is so damn vast that this CAN'T be the only place where life developed, even just single-celled organisms... Something.

>8 planets + shitloads of satellites explored so far
>0% have life

Stay fucked.

You'd hope, right? Odds are we won't be able to ever leave the galaxy if the speed of light holds up, and there's no reason think it won't. There may not be other life in the galaxy. It's a real possibility that the universe is sterile and that Earth and human life is more precious than we know.

Demons. Van Allen. Earth flat. We aint ever leaving. Shit comes to us. Shit moves around us. The earth is stationary. We go nowhere

Dude, there HAS to be a planet or planetoid in a nearby system that has at least basic life. The Milky Way alone has between 100 and 400 BILLION stars.

No no has. Only assumptions and lies

If we scour the entire thing and don't find any, then that's one thing. But we've barely begun looking and people already believe we're alone.

Ok. Maybe that other planet got hit by an asteroid at some time in the past 14 billion years.

There's a lot of scenarios that could lead to a sterile universe, and given the evidence we have already, we should assume that the universe is unpopulated... using the almost infinite number of potential planets to overcome statistical impossibilities (spontaneous generation of life from matter) isn't a strong argument, not strong enough to stand by itself. We need evidence that there's life elsewhere. So far we haven't found one piece of evidence. We just know that there's a lot of potential places to look, and that's not enough to call life in the universe a certainty.

So mark me down as somebody who doesn't believe we'll find life in this galaxy.

How does one muster up the energy to look for something they don't believe exists?

If they do, they're either unlearned or not very smart. The universe is completely devoid of intelligent life, except Earth.

youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA

I was having this argument with some students and a teacher in my class, they acted like they knew what they were talking about and as if I was an idiot or something, not only is there a complete lack of contact or communications with aliens to our planet, but also the fact that no fucking aliens have come to integrate us into some interstellar or intergalactic empire of their, making us their vassals or slaves. The lack of such helps to support argument for theists, because theists are right.

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Nope. The Earth is the center of the universe, we're in a special place and God put us here. Humans are as good as it gets in this universe. We are God's children living in his garden.

Humanity is going to explore the galaxy, we've already started, and we'll do it more in the future... our motivation for doing so is for growth, profit, exploration, and research.

As a scientist, you don't believe in things without evidence. At this point in time, there's no evidence of life elsewhere. There's a lot of planets, and theories on how the universe may even be full of life, but that's not empirical at this point. It's conjecture.

The idea that we should abandon rational thought and instead engage in hopeful thinking to motivate ourselves is silly - we're going to explore the universe, and we're going to be rational about it.

Science doesn't progress because there's a possibility that we'll live Star Trek one day and that's going to be really exciting, that's not why we're doing this, user. We accept the facts as they are and continue exploring. We don't have to abandon reason and empiricism for a fun theory, that's not science at all.

We're actually living in a computer stimulation. The universe is just math in a super computer. Google it.

Europa

Call it a gamble.

I'd put money on there being life elsewhere in our galaxy. I'll likely die before I can ever collect on it, but still.

There sure are. Personally I don't know if there's intelligent life outside of earth, other than in ISS.

Some interesting read about the Fermi Problem. It's not a paradox, because we just don't know all the variables in a meaningful way yet.
waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts

Agreed, just a tiny but crucial correction here.

Scientific theory is tested by observation, not derived from it.

All science starts from conjecture.

So, is science testable conjectures? No.

Not enough at least.

go home nick, your drunk

Based on evidence there is not more reason to believe in extraterrestrial life now than there was 50 years ago.

I think there could be life out somewhere, we have no way of knowing, but it's not a law written on stone that there must be.

Yes i worked with a 50 year old guy
when curiosity landed on mars we were discussing it and the possibility of microbial life or whatever came up and this guy got all triggered
>but GOD said in the BIBLE... that there was no life anywhere but on earth
he was 100% serious too.
made it pretty awkward for awhile

There's no reason to believe this nonsense. In order to have a computer simulation, you need to have a real physical base to calculate and compute the units of information used to run the simulation. If you can not provide such evidence then you are in the realm f pseudo-science and theories with insufficient evidence to be taken seriously. There's no reason why the current world we live in is not the true physical/material non-simulated world.

If it turns out there's no life everywhere but Earth, then he's right, though? So far the evidence is on his side.

His reasoning is faulty from a scientific perspective, but he certainly hasn't been proven wrong.

Yes but they're retarded, trump for president

> declassify the alien cover ups

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis

Why the fuck aren't the aliens just showing up on our door step? You could argue the Jews are holding the planet hostage by planting hidden nuclear bombs in various cities around the world and are black mailing the aliens, which Jews are in fact holding the cities of the West hostage and black mailing our cities and country, but side from that, what about 500 years earlier before the Jews took such control of the West, and before nuclear bombs were discovered and invented. Aliens did not show up then either.

Why aren't we just showing up on the doorstep of other planets?

Because it's hard as fuck.

>what is interplanetary meteorite and other planet's comfy past
panspermia-theory.com/

>what is an extremophile
serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/extreme/extremophiles.html

>what are those new expolanets on around half of stars and one on closet star to us
space.com/33932-proxima-b-alien-life-down-the-block.html

Worse. Not only faulty from a scientific perspective.

His argument is relies on ad hoc and authority, also if you do find life outside of earth, he could just modify the argument into, "Earth is wherever there's life, us, hospitable land or whatever".

The idea that we're living in a computer simulation, like the idea that there must be life somewhere else relies on the same argument, the appeal to impossibly large numbers against statistical sensibilities: there could be virtual universe simulations (a claim presented without evidence), therefore there's an almost infinite amount of them (similarly, presented without evidence), there could be virtual simulations within virtual simulations (no evidence presented here, either) and without a frame of reference, we're almost certainly in one. QED, take that traditional God. There's an almost infinite number of planets, so therefore, there must be life on some other ones - of course we've never found life anywhere else, and we don't have anything even close to a complete understanding on the genesis of life even on this planet, but through the magic of using impossibly large numbers, clever academics and university strivers avoid the problem of developing reasonable theories through this vague handwaving at statistics.

These theories are fun to think about, but they need more solid basis before anyone considers them more than amusing novelties

I don't believe in "Space" or exoplanets so I find it hard to believe in life outside of the plane we currently inhabit.

>nearby system
m8 you know how fucking far away nearby systems are? if we don't find something buried under the crust of Mars you can kiss your dreams of hot alien babes goodbye

Why would aliens who have the technology to travel interstellar distances want us as slaves?

Wouldn't a civilization of that power have AI and robots that outperform us?
Why would aliens want to include us in their government? Wouldn't it make sense that they might want to leave us alone because they don't give a shit? We may be nothing but ants crawling on the ground to them.


Also space is so large that if intelligent life does exist, it might be billions of light years away, meaning that no radio signal they produce would reach us. If they could have FTL communication technology we are unable to intercept.

>as we know it

The space of probability is even vaster than the universe.

If there were a planet around every star in the universe that was conducive to the formation of life for a period of a billion years, then that would be 10^30 years.

If the odds of abiogenesis occurring in any given year are 1 in 10^20, then the universe is full of life.
If it's 10^30, maybe it only occurred on Earth.
If it's 10^40, you have 100 times better chance of winning the lottery.
But maybe it's 10^69 or 10^142 or more.

Meteorite isn't a proof of life
Etremophiles haven't been found outside Earth
Exoplanet is just a name given to a planet that could potentially have life, they all could still be barren wastelands.

>Space
Yeah I agree. Bunch of Hollywood tricks and stuff to trick us into believing it even exists. Sun orbits the Earth, and the Earth is flat, you don't need to be a genius to understand this. Fucking nu-male cucks shitposting about their """space""".

It very well can be the only place. We don't know. It's that simple.

Not for a fucking highly technologically advanced civilization millions of years old.

youtube.com/watch?v=nlDNrHGUoOQ

>implying

I like your approach. But this doesn't serve to contradict, but only outline a supporting argument for all those that speak of its impossibility and those that have an opinion on how probable it is.

I like it, pacifist, but it essentially equates to ("Now, get along you two!")
- - -
The fact of the matter is that it's a probability. If anyone in here would like to solve the Drake Equation, be my guest. But otherwise, accept the uncertainty.

Hey, listen everyone. "We found chiral pairs of molecules in deep space!" The perfect solution to both sides of the argument. On one hand, it shows the probability still exists; and on the other, it displays the practicality with which the universe takes in its measurements of statistical odds. Aka, we aren't going to find superbeings that live on a gas giant - get real.

So indeed, the Earth may be entirely unique, or the Other is out there. Each is a peaceful sentiment in their own regard, but always remember --

Statements like this undermine our progress. Think of the Rare Earth Hypothesis as a means not to denounce our status in the universe.

In other words, shut the fuck up, right now. You're currently arguing this upon measurably the largest brain in the observable universe.

thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2016/09/02/machine-learning-just-got-more-human-with-googles-rankbrain/

What if the intelligent aliens hide their planet with some type of planet sized cloak.

Good way to put it...

Personally, I think the possibility of life only occurring on Earth would be a more fascinating universe... if life is everywhere, then human life is in no way significant, you really are just an ape, there's no philosophy beyond scientific materialism, and the entirety of the universe is one big chemical reaction, a cosmic petri dish, and there's probably no real meaning. It really is just a blue dot. It's ironic, maybe, that a universe full of life would be the nihilistic possibility.

On the other hand, if there's only one planet with life, and only one species that can truly be considered intelligent - well that's something else entirely. That leads to far more interesting questions about the nature of our reality and our origins. Is there a God? Are we made in his image? What responsibilities do we have towards spreading life in the universe? and so forth.

Maybe this is a liberal versus conservative point of difference

They are probably avoiding us considering our sapience comes with the propensity of destruction at a colossal scale.

If we found evidence that the we/universe is simulated, it's simulated. If we don't, then the simulator just do a rollback and then patch the glitch in the matrix out or something.

It's idle speculation, mostly. Like the Fermi Problem.

>Proof
vimeo.com/127190449

Oh, forgot pic.

>We don't know
Right. Yet, though.

As slaves? Maybe. To communicate? Definitely.

Because our connection to law of nature, just like they would have, only they would know so much more. About interstellar travel and all connected to it, obviously.

Life genesis isn't about chance, but causal effect. If the ingredients and all other things aligned, it would happen. If it doesn't, it won't.

In short. Probability is the wrong way to look at it.

We're after explaining, not gambling.

Is it this one?
space.com/30832-kepler-telescope-alien-megastructure.html

>I don't believe in "Space"

What the fuck

Do you not believe in cell theory either? Are atoms a myth? Is fire fake?

You are all naive to the current circumstance.
If we were to create a system on Earth capable of computing upon and across sociopolitical behaviors and cultural-phenomenal ideals, you would effectively render what was once a natural system as an observed and measured system. Earth would become a business/marketing/advertisement simulation.

...see link:

If Simulation Theory is correct then it is reasonable that there is no other life in this universe.

Science is a deception by Satan to discredit God. It's all just a firmament.

Oh there definetly is, but the universe is so incomprehensibly big, that we may never cross paths with them EVER. Another alternative is that there are others, and say we do go to their planet, they may be extinct for millenia. There is life on other planets, but we'll never find them
>tfw never gonna get to eat ayy lmao ass

That's also called the Rare Earth theory. That the proverbial laundry list of necessities for life in earth to start AND advance as far as we have, is so long Specific that it can't be repeated anywhere else

If it helps, you're already surrounded by billions of alien life forms, and even though some are intelligent (like dolphins) they're not interesting to us at all.

Finding aliens would be an immediate disappointment, odds are (even if there is life elsewhere in the universe) that it wouldn't be intelligent or technological... we could just end up finding bacteria somewhere else or a planet full of dolphins

The idea of contacting intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is a meme pushed to get young adults interested in science... it's never going to happen.

>massivy improbable
Nigger, what? We used to believe all life evolved from one common ancestor, but now it's accepted that it was actually three or four different ancestors, meaning life has started on its own on more than one occasion on this planet. If it can happen multiple times here, than given the right conditions, its entirely possible it could happen somewhere else

Didn't they already find some bacteria or some shit in space.

Abiogenesis is a tricky subject, though. Who's to say life can't start another way and the conditions have to be the same like Earth's 4 billion years ago?

We found that some terrestrial bacteria are capable of surviving in space, just not extraterrestrial ones.

... no, dude. There is still no "standard model" of the origin of life. I'm a professional biochemist and I have no idea what you mean by three or four different ancestors. If you mean bacteria, archaea, eukaryotes and prokaryotes you're very much mistaken. Most theories imply that there's a common ancestor to all of the domains of life, through self-assembling organic compounds.

Ancestor is a poor choice of words... there's a common pathway, a chain of organic reactions that result in self-reproducing molecules. Anyway, anyone who says there's a clear answer in science to abiogenesis or how likely it is to occur in the universe has fallen for a popsci meme.

>thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2016/09/02/machine-learning-just-got-more-human-with-googles-rankbrain/

That is not a creative "mind". It's impressive that it can guess what we want to search by looking up our search history, context, time, guessing for new word etc.

It can't create new knowledge (scientific or otherwise). If we dump that machine pre-Newton Gravity era, it would not have guessed that apple falls like the moon unless a creative person points it out to it first.

We're special (so far) only because of that. Survival thru creativity.

There is. But it's in the form of DLC.

Oh cool. Biochemist. Any hints on why other hominids went extinct? Like Neanderthals for example.

Is it because our genes passed on more easily even thru inter-subspecies reproduction?

mathematically speaking
there are more planets in the universe than there is cereal
so if you think of every cereal, and the likelyhood of earth having had life = to the likelyhood of lucky charms fusing the grain shit with the marshmallow (which can happen its just really rare)
there's hundreds of thousands of those fused marshmallows grain shits out there
so even more planets with life

Can't help you there. Not in the depth you're looking for. I study G coupled protein receptors all day, not solve the mysteries of the universe.

Other hominids went extinct because h. sapiens were more fit and out-competed them for resources. In the case of neanderthals, they didn't go completely extinct per se, they were genetically absorbed into Eurasians. Not an interesting take on it, and probably not what you were looking for

Watch what happens when IoT really hits fruition.

>Fridge automatically orders more milk
>my car keys have a GPS receiver and I can geolocate them from my phone

Some cool consumer tech will happen but how is that going to be really life changing? I'm not trying to shitpost here, sell me on it, I can't think of what you're trying to imply

Thanks. It's actually very interesting. Because we were basically (very basic) the same brain back then, hence we use clothing and tools, maybe fire, etc.
But our morals were tribal as fuck (extremely dinduistic), so maybe we just kill our competition better. Either directly or like you say, starvation.
And we didn't even bat an eye, because we can't appreciate other minds back then.

Oh, one more question. What's the deal with left-hand right-hand business?
chemistry.mcmaster.ca/~chem2ob3/nhw_temp/old_old_labmanual/expt1/2ob3-exp1b.html
Is it true that life is predominantly one-handed (forgot left or right)?

Yeah, that's efficiency not creativity.

Though if you're gonna make AI, you should make should that we are a part of it, like what Elon's doing with OpenAI. The problem is input.

>Oh cool. Biochemist. Any hints on why other hominids went extinct? Like Neanderthals for example.

I think you'd wanna speak to an anthropologist, not a biochemist.
Other hominids probably went extinct because of physiological conditions no different than other animals. You gotta understand man lived as an animal for most of its existence, intelligence isn't that great of an advantage when you don't have an agricultual backed thousand strong safety net of a society under you plus access to millenia of useful knowledge passed down through writing and other cultural means.

In the specific case of neanderthals, they needed 2-4 times our caloric intake. had short limbs which were bad for throwing things and running, which in addition had another handicap due to their substantial pelvic width.

Cro magnon practiced endurance hunting in plains. Apparently around the time both met forests started disappearing because of some climate shift or some shit. So you had the forest adapted stumpy super stronk neanderthals against the lean long limbed good at throwing things and running and not getting tired and 'consuming less than half the fuel you faggots need' cro magnons.
Then Neanderthals, smaller in number due to their caloric requirements were absorbed by the numerous cro magnon tribes.
The end

The problem is that we need a sample size of 1 for our calculations. If we find some kind of primitive lifeforms under Enceladus then that really fucks with the math.

We have a weird setup with only a single large moon and an extra powerful magnetic field.

We know that the physic of this universe made us possible that we exist. And as far as we know the physic as we know applies to the rest of the universe and the universe is so vast on stars like ours we cant even imagine. So i conclude that there must be other lifeforms.

But we will never meet them, because we cant reach them and they cant reach us. It wouldnt change a single thing if we knew for sure that they exist or not. Its pointless anyway.

Oh, shit. Jupiter's north pole!
nasa.gov/feature/jpl/jupiter-s-north-pole-unlike-anything-encountered-in-solar-system

Damn it. We could've had dwarves if not for )))climate change(((.

>'consuming less than half the fuel you faggots need'
Neanderthals, the only human that truly needs welfare.

Interstellar travel and wormhole is not forbidden by law or nature.

Interstellar might get exciting soon, though.
breakthroughinitiatives.org/Initiative/3

I agree, it seems a near impossibility that earth is the only place life exists in the known universe. I get impatient at times that we haven't been able to detect it yet. But in reality, just 500 years ago a wooden sailing ship was considered high tech, and we only had very basic maps of our own planet. We were lucky at that point just to make a successful ocean crossing without getting lost.

Even if we couldn't ever get to them or even communicate, having conclusive proof of other civilizations, or even basic life, would be a cool thing to know about.

This isnt far from the truth. Just replace jews with higher dimensional aliens and nuclear bombs with strangelet/toplet bombs.

lot of people playing this sim bruh

extremetech.com/extreme/152573-astronomers-estimate-100-billion-habitable-earth-like-planets-in-the-milky-way-50-sextillion-in-the-universe

>Fermi Problem

That's literally bro science.

>hurp de durp, if we haven't met aliens yet it must be because they're extinct, or haven't evolved yet

that's the dumbest shit i've ever heard.

You know that oxygen and water are some of the most common shit in the universe right

Life is very common in the universe, and the reason why we haven't met ayy lmaos yet is because our written history (that people take seriously) is only like 2000 years old, and that's nothing in the universal time scale.

Millions of years were 'wasted' here on a tangent of evolution leading to dinosaurs

Its conceivable that other worlds wouldn't have had such an expanse when forming intelligence, therefore being potentially millions of years ahead of us technologically, where the distances and energy consumption we see as impossible are trivial for them

There would be no benefit to interjecting themselves into our reality, we would be akin to ants on an anthill being watched by humans

>wheres the evidence
Theres evidence popping up every day, its just dismissed as hillbilly rubbish / junkie delusions because 'there isn't any evidence' despite astronauts, hell even US presidents admitting to seeing shit.

Very cool stuff, but it's depressing to think that unless we develop a way to reverse aging within our lifetimes, we'll never even begin to grasp what a Type II civilization would be like.

This is true, scientists believe that their is life in the water on Europa.

someone has to be first

prepare for that to be us

Like I said, idle speculation.

>Life is very common in the universe, and the reason why we haven't met ayy lmaos yet is because our written history (that people take seriously) is only like 2000 years old, and that's nothing in the universal time scale.
Correct (except the written history part, that's irrelevant), but that still the part of the problem. Almost verbatim in the article that I posted earlier here Eyewitness testimony is non-scientific. Not that is not valuable, just so you know.

Btw, if bonobos start making fire or clothing or more and more tools, then we- despite being the alien to them, would be very interested. Other great apes used sticks, stones, and simple happening language so far.

Also, this is something
youtube.com/watch?v=zsXP8qeFF6A

Pic and vid related: youtube.com/watch?v=T0lvxTm2iLg

We can't even predict future for very long. Get your PC/Smartphone and travel back in time. How long would you have to travel back before they burn you at the stake for witchcraft?

>Earth would become a business/marketing/advertisement simulation.

So, facebook

I can't wait until we discover the first planet with liquid water, an oxygenated atmosphere, and other earth-like conditions... and then find not a single trace of life. Not one amino acid, no RNA, not a single nucleotide. A dead, sterile rock, barren and devoid of life for its entire existence.

I'd love to see the materialists argue that maybe the magic of abiogenesis just didn't have a chance to happen yet - for them to call themselves scientists in one breath and then to declare that perhaps lightning didn't strike the molecules in the right way - and later, to witness the dawning realization grow as we discover ever more and more planets that should sustain life, but were forever sterile.

It would be vindicating, at least.

Why do you want this to happen? Are Canadians this shitty and spiteful?

Because man has a meaningful place in the universe.

If there's life everywhere in the universe (there isn't, don't worry, the idea that water and oxygen turns into bacteria statistically more than once in a universe is bizarre), well - then we're the equivalent of pond scum in a crowded petri dish.

That idea that everything can be broken down into simple chemistry (materialism, in philosophy, a nihilistic idea that's useful in empiricism) will be put out to pasture, and we'll go back to a more natural understanding of science and philosophy.

On top of that... be more practical. It's far better to be the only intelligent species in the galaxy than it is to find others.

If we're the only ones, then the entire galaxy can be used for our science, our technology, our benefit. If there's other intelligent life in the galaxy, we're pretty fucked. First of all they're likely do destroy us immediately, second of all getting destroyed by a species of psychic slugs (or whatever fantastic hypothetical you want to insert) is a pretty clear indication that there was no God or meaning in life or the universe. There was no point to anything.

>and as if I was an idiot or something
Well, judging from your post they were entirely justified in doing so.

>a more natural understanding
But that doesn't make it valid. And so what if there's other life besides out own? Sure, we're not totally unique speshul snowflakes, but we're still humanity. We're unique in what we've gone through and in how we've developed. Intelligent life would be nothing like "pond scum," if it exists outside of Earth it would surely be rare and important. Hell, any life at all would be valued and highly studied and not at all common. I also must ask: how do you think life came about on Earth?

>there's no point to anything
Why do you need a clearly defined point to lead a meaningful existence? Create your own purpose to follow.
>other intelligent life would fuck us over
Not necessarily. If they're on a similar level of tech to us then it might take more resources to get rid of us than to keep us around. We might even have the upper hand in many situations. And also, perish the thought, they might not be initially hostile. You're being incredibly presumptuous.

Life came about on earth through a statistically improbable series of events in chemistry, eventually leading to self-reproducing compounds, RNA, amino acids, and then onwards to archaea, bacteria, and eventually life.

It's so statistically impossible that it's unlikely to be found on any planet at all in the universe, and yes, I'm aware of the numbers involved.

What if we were the most advanced though?

We would then have plenty of slaves to do our bidding

>It's so statistically impossible
Quantify that for me, if you please.

Aliens would never be on a similar level to us... they'd be either billions of years ahead of us or single celled organisms.

Again, this is easy to see, but there's a narrative in Western thought about aliens, or universal ethics, which is just Star Trek tier fantasy. It's never going to happen for a million plus reasons.

The odds of abiogenesis are absolutely unquantifiable. We know its happened once in the entire history of the universe... that's our sample size.

To prove this, notice that it's only happened once on Earth, and we've never seen matter spontaneously coming even close to the building blocks of life. We've seen some organic compounds form in the presence of heat, but that's it.

>Because man has a meaningful place in the universe.
We do, but not by merely existing.

>If there's life everywhere in the universe (there isn't, don't worry, the idea that water and oxygen turns into bacteria statistically more than once in a universe is bizarre), well - then we're the equivalent of pond scum in a crowded petri dish.
If those life are intelligent, which we can communicate with, otherwise we're still the only valueable scum in that petri dish that can SHAPE that dish. As we are doing now with our solar system.

You need to watch this video to understand what I'm talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=gQliI_WGaGk

>That idea that everything can be broken down into simple chemistry (materialism, in philosophy, a nihilistic idea that's useful in empiricism) will be put out to pasture, and we'll go back to a more natural understanding of science and philosophy.
You're right. You know why? Because Materialism and Empiricism is false. EVEN induction is false.

So how do we know anything? Again, Deutsch continuing Popper:
youtube.com/watch?v=folTvNDL08A

It's all a numbers game and unfortunately even with billions of galaxies it still makes life on earth a pretty amazing fluke.

>stimulation

How can life be improbable when I can with 100% certainty say that life has happened here and there's no reason to think that these exact same conditions couldn't happen elsewhere

We can hardly even see to the edge of our own solar system let alone into any other solar systems with enough resolution to determine that.

There could be billions of other societies out there with tech as good or better than ours. They could have faster than light travel and just not have found us or have found us but are just observing or they even colonized this planet and we descended from them.

I wouldn't worry about that all too much, best we can hope for now and probably the next thousand years is to stay hidden. We lack a feasible propulsion technology for even Traveling through our solar system let alone to anywhere outside. We need to get going on at least a moon base or large space station. Something as a jump off point to Mars. Anything that can come here would be so far advanced it would be unstopable with current technology and we would be subject to its will. That may not work out well for us.

>stay hidden.
Are we ready for indoctrinated alien Nazis?
youtube.com/watch?v=DRD-tO7jV9U

>Anything that can come here would be so far advanced it would be unstopable with current technology and we would be subject to its will.
Remind me of "To Serve Man". It could be District-9-ish scenario, though. That would be a test to our morals.

We have 10^24 or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets only in the observable universe, I would suggest that the chance of intelligent life outside of the earth is pretty high considering that there are certain princibles.

The potential scale of difference would far exceed us and bonobos, but I get what you're saying - in fact I believe its likely they are watching and interacting on a limited basis due to studying 'another' living planet

Watching vid now, interesting stuff but what Im enjoying most is seeing how expressive their faces are

Even if the universe is abundant with life, the fact that all we're seeing is nothing mixed with some gas and rocks mens any life is pretty amazing