"Anxiety and depression are real disorders"

>"Anxiety and depression are real disorders"

thinking ignorance is cool is nigger shit

Friend of mine lost both of his legs and part of his genitals in car accident few years ago. He will never have sex again or walk again.

Does he have the right to be depressed? He does not even speak anymore anything, just watches tv and drinks.

I came here to actually post something meaningful, but I had to check these dubs instead.

>Two chemical processes that can be observed are not real.

>diabetes is a real disease
Just produce some insulin, faggot. Why didn't you think of that?

>Can be observed
>Are never actually observed

Everyone has the right to be depressed and also the option to not be

>he fell for the mental illness jew

How do I be happy?

>m-mom you don't get it high school is SUPER HARD and I'M NOT GOOD AT talking to people please give me more pharmaceuticals to make me NORMAL
>listens to My Chemical Romance and cries to sleep

I knew people like this. Not personally, but I knew enough to know they were insufferable and would've been removed from the gene pool if humans were still naturally selected.

there are a few extreme individuals but generally I agree, anxiety and depression are not disorders thats just life hitting you

Step 1: Stop being a faggot.
Step 2: Work on improving yourself.
Step 3: Realize you are now happy.

If that doesn't work then kill yourself.

>What are panic attacks

Believe me I don't believe in the whole edgy mental illness people claim to have but I have severe panics that include hyperventilating and feeling like I'm having a heart attack. It is life ultimately your right but its a person by person situation and people respond differently

Work out seriously its been proven to raise the happy chemicals in your brain also get more sun theres a direct correlation between vitamin d deficiency and unhappiness

also have more conversations with people doesnt matter if its your friends, family or the hobo on your street corner

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every year more people are born, slowly erasing the illusion of greatness

no matter who you are, what you do, there is always someone who has done better

anxiety and depression are the norm but also disorders

I've been biking more and I have been thinking about going to the gym. My problems aren't just tfw no gf I just randomly get depressed at certain points in the day and don't know what to do about it

I talk to my roommate about life a lot but she doesn't really understand big picture ideas

>He does not even speak anymore anything, just watches tv and drinks.
That actually makes me feel a bit depressed.

they are, you retard.

what a shit bait thread.

>anxiety and depression are not disorders thats just life hitting you

you would like the world to be as simple as that, don't you? unfortunately for you, it totally isn't.

/thread

Aww sweet, an Australian troll thread.

Just because new illnesses emerge as a result of living in a post-industrial society, doesn't mean they're fake.

What do you guys think is a proactive solution for young males to stop killing themselves in epidemic numbers?

I was diagnosed with severe depression from an early age. Something is not right when a 10 year old child has constant thoughts of killing themselves. Fast forward 16 years and just a few months ago I survived my most successful suicide attempt yet (credit where credit is due, Dallas EMS you know your shit and are damn good at your jobs). I'm on so many medications that I feel like a zombie. No motivation and if I try to go off the meds I go suicidal again. My family watches me like a hawk. I don't wish this kind of illness on anyone. I'd try and kill myself again but I just can't build up the motivation to, medication working as intended I suppose. Therapists around here have a 6+ month backlog so I don't even have anyone to talk to who can try and help me fix my head. I'd day life is suffering but I honestly can't feel anything. Depression is a disorder alright, and I'm talking about real depression, not that "Life is hard" highschool bullshit.

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I have ADHD, OCD, depression, and a small penis.

Sadly, agreed ,Aussie


>my depression always situational
>wife's anxiety greatly increased by hangovers, and she drinks often

Few things are "real", most problems are imaginary and/or self-inflicted.

I wish my family/friends believe anxiety and depression were bullshit.

My mom started telling people I was "depressed" when I told her I wasn't going to church anymore. She's managed to convince my dad and some of my friends that my brain's defective.

Once you get labelled as being "crazy" your credibility is out the window and no one will ever take you seriously. Doesn't matter if it's just someone lying about you. Once that label sticks you pretty much have to nuke your contacts and make new friends.

>sad person has different colors than not sad person
>must be a disease

>implying he was having sex beforehand

Most of the Sup Forums basement dwellers have the so called physical depression that can be cured by going outside for walks, and or exrrcising, it really doesnt take much to be happy, dont let shit from other people phase you, start loving urself, start improving urself, stop with the self destruction ,alch drugs, cigs... Stop drinking soda, and eatting shit...
You dont have to change everything at once...thats pretty bad and thw change doesnt last for long and youll get demorilised, start with small things, and try to be consitent
You now know how to be a happy better man
Its all up to you to start the first step
Gl chong

I just use my penis pump to keep my girl satisfied.

Having suffered with both of these things over the course of my life, you are a faggot OP. Had my first bout of depression when I was like 10 years old, shit came on for basically no reason. So again, the chemical imbalance is absolutely real.

There are a lot of people who aren't really depressed/anxious who get themselves diagnosed with it because then they can get meds and not have to deal with not feeling good 100% of the time. "Feeling depressed" is bullshit in that sense, everyone feels down at times. Its when it gets to the level that that shit dominates your thoughts and you have no ability to turn them off that you can call it depression/anxiety. Also, medicating that shit is BS 90% of the time (the only time I ever tried to actually kill myself and not just fantasize about it before was when on anti-depressants), and desu I think a big reason for so many people getting diagnosed with this shit today is the pharmaceutical industry pushing pills on people. Shit really only should be used in cases like this: Otherwise, learning to control your thoughts and rationalizations works better.

it's about the "conscious choice" meme.

Anxiety/depression is a first world issue. It come up due to a combination of being too comfortable and/or not being a part of something bigger.

I had a big pang of anxiety when I was at uni but it was just the fact that I was living a hedonistic meaningless life and not having a routine. I even went on the antidepressant jew for a few weeks.

Once I started a real job I've literally never had an issue.

Anxiety is weakness. Just face the situation and stop being a pussy.

Never had any satisfactory answers for people who say "It's all in your head" "Mind over matter" for people who are depressed because of PHYSICAL reasons.

I mean I've seen people who have lost their ability to shit, piss, walk, lost their penis, maybe even lost their vagina. Actual physical injuries resulting from accidents that leave normal healthy people to extreme pain that destroys all their well-being inside out. Most of them only wish for euthanasia

Do you say to these same people it's all in your head? You can end up depressed for totally other reasons than being mentally weak. Most of these people would "cure" from their depression if they would gain their health back

I pop Vicodin and drink

see >>>/87615382/

fuck I'm too drunk for this /

Kratom is great for depression. Don't take it longer than a month straight. Order from mmmspeciosa btw great shit

Who cares? Happiness and the pursuit of contentment is shit women do. You were not put on Earth to be happy and there's no intrinsic happiness you will gain from a mortal life in the world of human beings. Procure betterment for yourself, acquire hobbies that fulfil you and make gains in them, work and contribute and make an honest attempt, that's as close as you'll get.

>tfw can't sleep because I'm hearing voices

This shit sucks

I got over anxiety through sheer force of will. Medicating is for people who don't want to solve the problem, just treat the symptoms.

Depression and anxiety are real.

Its true that 80% of it is just your mindset, but most people with depression never learned how to deal with that.

rofl

they only call it a disorder when you're so depressed you miss work/school and aren't a functional member of society

What if you end up in accident that leaves both of your hands and legs severed and you would be forced to live the rest of your life this way

Would you still say that 80% of your depression would be because of your mindset, or 50% or 20% and the rest 80% of physical reasons

Please answer

>tfw can listen to the radio at night but don't even have a radio

what do?

Kratom is illegal in the USA now.

You're wrong, anxiety rules my life and has ruined it, this causes great suffering and depression. That being said, i never complain about it, nor do i want sympathy or a handout.

can I get high off this shit
auditory hypnagogic hallucinations are awesome desu but yours sounds more like schizophrenia

bump
This is genuine advice.

I will trade, I just get yelling, someone rustling through my kitchen drawers, and like water pipes.

Shits freaky when you're staring at the the kitchen and listening to someone rustle through the drawers

At least they haven't told me they're god yet, or to go out and start killing.

my experience was that the meds made things worse. eventually i got off them and learned coping strategies for anxiety and the unusual "down" feelings I sometimes get. Also, just learning to think along different lines. I feel much better now.

>"Anxiety and depression are made up by Big Pharma."

He can still be a servitor.

>It's all in your head
Technically, they're not wrong...

>poltards trying to legitimize being a beta male and a failure with muh depression is a disease
>allowing jewish psychology to turn you in to a victim instead of taking responsibility for your life

>Once you get labelled as being "crazy" your credibility is out the window and no one will ever take you seriously.
This. No matter how much money I make or how successful I become I will still be looked down upon because of my depression and social anxiety. Even though I have overcame both and am a better speaker than most people. The people I knew from my youth/my family still act like I'm gonna blow my brains out of my skull at any second.

thank you very well said
of course a different state of mind will show different activities in the brain fucking idiots

I think it's more accurate to say that anxiety and depression are both products of a society where people have unnatural lifestyles and too much free time respectively.

hurr durr what is dopamine deficiency

That's some good advice senpai

Betas ITT are why whites have lost

Imagine Mexicans, Chinese, Indians, Arab Muslims, etc. talking about muh depression is a disease as a reason for being a waste of life LMAO.

Nah, they keep breeding and producing. Meanwhile you're a worthless NEET who faps to jap cartoons and takes pharmajew pills to keep you from killing yourself

Your grand daddies would beat the shit out of you and disown your faggot asses

KYS

my life is in the shitter but i still try my best

Always had doctors and therapists say they are only a tool to help, only work on mindset will do anything lasting. Stuff like cognitive behaviour therapy... and behavioural activation (pretty much get off your arse and do stuff). All hard to do when you're brain wants you to go to sleep or destroy yourself. And you're body aches all over. The struggle is real.

Are you actually retarded?

I am sure plenty of them do,especially the smart ones, but not on a white dominated image board.

Undeniable proof that depression exists?

Just put your self worth into your attractiveness, net worth, and morality and that should motivate you to keep improving yourself. Life is Sisyphus pushing a rock, every once in a while you move up a little and enjoy the view or get crushed for a bit. Enjoy the eternal kampf. If you jerk off to hentai literally kill yourself though.

That's the point, it proves it exists. The other user was saying it's never been observed, when it obviously has.

>He does not even speak anymore anything, just watches tv and drinks.

How is this different from a Finn who has his legs and genitals?

>taking the >J

Welcome to Russia, here it is a survival mechanism

It sounds stupid when you hear that but yes. Its the mindset.

In his mind he knows he is a cripple and cant enjoy life like a healthy person anymore, so he is depressed because he cant deal with the fact.

Why are most people that are born with physical abnormalities usually more happy with their lifes as people that got them later in life? Because they have learned to deal with the fact very early in their lifes.

i dunno, let's look at my colors

What am I supposed to do if I have no motivation, talents or ambition? I'm not depressed but I'm completely disinterested in life in general and I don't have an identity, or something.

I already lift weights, get sun, jog, and eat well. I'm in the middle of quitting porn and alcohol. Soon I'll start quitting caffeine too. I'm also going to learn how to box. I hope to fucking christ I can stop being an empty husk one of these days. I don't even feel good about any of this, I don't feel jack shit.

I've been grinding away at this bullshit since 6th grade, it's real. I only finally crawled out of my personal pit this year, exercise is a must. It's not even being sad all the time, it's an inability to get any pleasure out of life. (barring whatever your coping mechanism is) Then you get sad because you can't enjoy things.

My meds don't make it worse, but they also don't make it better. They just seem to kill my motivation for anything. I do CBT for my coping stuff, but I've been doing them for so long I'm not sure they actually have any effect anymore. I've never really had problems with anxiety. I've had panic attacks once or twice but overall my special brand of mental illness doesn't involve anxiety at all.

Something else that I just want to point out in general is (at least with me) while I have depression I can still laugh and smile and such. Some of it is forced sure because I want to act as normal as possible. But just because I'm smiling doesn't mean that my brain isn't fighting with itself to decide whether or not I should step out in from of that car or if a fall from this hight would be enough to kill me. People act odd around those they know have mental issues, so covering it up and never telling anyone is the best way to actually have positive interactions with people. People who are really, truly depressed will probably never mention it and you can have good friends for years that never had a clue until one day you slip up and try to off yourself. Best way to ruin people's opinions of you is to just slip up once and they will never look at you the same again.

"I take anti-depressants 3x daily so I can overcome my crippling disease and survive in the brutal modern world"

Nothing pisses me off more than people who say they are depressed or have anxiety but really just want attention for being a special snowflake.

I don't know much about the biochemistry of anxiety, but for depression there can be genuine neurotransmitter imbalances.

The primary things which regulate neurotransmitters are risk, work, anticipation and pleasure. Just think how messed up these are in today's society:
>instant gratification instead of having to put in effort
>porn addiction instead of healthy sex in marriage
>society's contempt for normal masculinity and femininity instead of earning respect for cultivating these
>high calorie fast food and snacks instead of nutritious food providing energy over a longer internal
>no meaning in life instead of knowing the love of God and brotherhood of believers

Alcohol is a powerful testosterone suppressant. Being off porn/masturbation and alcohol can change your life.

He could probably get railed in the asshole by a caring chick with strap on. Could make his prostate quiver like a bad dog on a frosty winter morning.

depression=/=unhappiness

this triggers me all the time, I've had depression for over 10 years and I wouldn't consider myself unhappy

educ8 urself

Nothing pisses me off more than people who do that too and trivialize depression. Do you have any clue how much it sucks when your brain drifts to thoughts like "wow I really wouldn't mind bashing my head into this wall" followed by an immediate feeling of relief washing over you? I've got a sister who does this, she goes to the therapist every week. She's not really depressed, shes just a hormonal teenager who doesn't know how to deal with drama. Cutting is a big thing in her class, everyone is screaming for attention.

lmao!

It's an ambiguous symptom treated like a disease.
Hypothyroidism, malnutrition, and serotonin deficiency are treatable. "Depression" isn't.

It's like saying "coughing" is a disease. Okay, there's coughing, but what the fuck is really going on? Except it's even worse, because depression is far less well defined. The HAMD test for it scores you on feeling sleepy as much as feeling suicidal.

It's dumb system all around. Useless term.

Not everyone is like you

"I hate people who act like victims but really aren't, cause it takes away from all the problems us true victims have. I know I am a real victim, because Dr. Goldberg told me so."

Ah the good old days, when everyone was just an honest-to-God alcoholic.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.

cont.

Determinism allows a reality where one can experience free will.
Isn’t that awesome, determinism is quite nice, doing everything for you while you still experience freedom. Oh wait, that is only as long as you think you are reading this text voluntarily. See what I did there?
At any rate, I’d say I am somewhat in peace with determinism for now.

Let us now look on how you could possibly read this text voluntarily while conscious, if being free equals not being determined by any physical process in our universe. In other words, being above space and time and thus above the laws of nature. How could you possibly even exist in that way? Therefore existence is not a property of being free! This statement holds indeed true for both a deterministic and an indeterministic universe.
But what about the other way round, is being free a property of existence?
We just saw why it holds true in a deterministic universe.
And it also holds true, if we assume the I does not operate in our realm of reason, since we still are able to know that a free I exists.

This thought can be developed further. What does it actually mean, to exist? It means, that we are able to perceive, be it sensual inputs or thoughts in our mind. We are able to watch this fully realistic movie. And we just saw, being free is a property that comes with it.
That means that ultimately, we can be free to choose, how we see the world and the universe, thanks to existing in the form of matter, in such a way, that we developed the I, which is able to have different viewpoints on the same continuous pattern that it is made of.
A property to see a part of itself differently, thus changing its own meaning; or in other words, being multiple things at once.

cont.

So I am not giving you an answer on how the interaction between the I and our body works. But I showed you why I think, that ultimately, it is irrelevant. Because no matter how the universe works, we know that it allows for free will to exist. And we looked at why that makes freedom a property of existence. A property of viewing the world.
Anyways I wouldn’t be a true hobby philosopher if I didn’t take a shot at offering an idea, on how a unknown sphere of a free I could possibly relate to our existence (for all of you guys still thinking about why this is just a deterministic illusion) and why the finding of decisions being made in the brain, before they become conscious, is not a problem.
Consider the whole process of acquiring a different viewpoint, is where the source of our existence lies.
Everything else, follows from that. Depending on how you view the pattern that defines you, your existence will behave. The neurological impulses are long sent before you make a conscious decision, but before that decision to make arose, your viewpoint defined a new existence of the pattern and therefore your decision to come.
In essence: the path is determined, but if you change your perspective, you will see a different path of equal determination, where looking at the horizon could be described as walking along the arrow of time. It removes the necessity of a free I having to influence the physical world in some way, in order for it to be truly free.

Concluding with my initial question, on what it means to do something voluntarily; I’d say it is a matter of perspective.

Depression and anxiety in young men today has a number of primary causes

>sexual frustration; aggravated by the prostitution ban, dating apps, pornography and slutty clothing styles on women

>sleep deprivation; aggregated by electronics devices, electric light, "flexible" work schedules

>salt and sugar rich diets, obesity

>the stress of being forced to interact with strange men (something which was quite rare in early humans and often the prelude to war) and strange women (which forces men to subdue their instincts to aggressively pursue sex)

>uncertainty about the future, worry about crime and racial/geopolitical conflict heightened by media

The answers:

Bed at 9~10pm religiously. Strict dieting. Avoidance of sexually arousing content of any kind. Socialize primarily with your family. Stop reading Sup Forums or watching tv.

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