SOLAR VS NUCLEAR

>be retarded
>use nuclear energy
>damage electrical appliances in houses
>create nuclear waste
>find out there is NO geologically stable place to store nuclear waste that won't eventually poison the ground water
Nuclear waste has no solution. If your government claims there is a solution, they are against you. Solar is the only way.

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why not throw it in an active volcano????

why not put it on a nuclear powered rocket into the sun???

>Italians
>Sacrifice to muh Vulcan
If you dump it in an active volcano and it erupts, it spews a Fukashima like death cloud of radiation all over the place

>poison the ground water
how do you think groundwater works?

So it would disperse it in the atmosphere and all of us would die from radiation poisoning?
Wew lad, you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

We could actually force everyone to re-use used rods, and use breeding reactors to enrich them to be used again. That way nuclear energy would become literally renewable energy.
Why are we not doing this? Because it's cheaper to simply mine it and store the waste for now. This was a valid alternative back when a lot of uranium rich deposits weren't discovered yet.

>into the sun
Why ?
Just throw the waste in the outer space randomly

don't wanna piss of any aliens

It's too expensive i guess.

I can't wait until Fusion energy is Working better.

>nuclear waste
>No solution

NEXT GEN LIQUID SALT REACTORS CAN BE POWERED BY NUCLEAR WASTE.

This means we'd have roughly 300 years worth of fuel for the entire Earth without needing to dig up another single lump of Uranium.

On top of that we're approaching the point where we might be able to sift it out of seawater instead of mining.

Apparently the mEMe drive has been proven to actually work so it might not be too expensive very soon.

Just chuck it in the aus outback. The only things that live there are abos and dingos.

the meme drive ? what a cool thing !

that's where most uranium comes from already

>MUH Nuclear waste
By 2020 we would have found a way to get rid of it.

And Nuclear is the most efficient energy which uses the least money and resources.

Reminder that it's 2016, qnd we thought of new types of nuclear energy.

Well, it's been peer reviewed and Eagleworks are publishing the paper in the AAIA journal in December.

So we don't know if it works, a lot of people have said it has but it's not been confirmed scientifically as of yet.

Also in other news the US Navy released data on the LENR experiments they were working on, so if that is also not bullshit then we will have an outstanding power source for the drive, and also for literally everything else too.

The reason nuclear waste exists is because the government only wants nuclear power to create plutonium for bombs. In the original plan, nuclear byproducts were to be used in other reactors, and that byproducts in other reactors and so on until there was nothing left. Leave it to government corruption and greed to fuck everything up. And remember, these are the people you trust to tell you manmade global warming is real.

Imagine we put shit tons of nuclear waste is very big rocket that can reach the sun.

And the rocket explodes at launch...

What if we get Superman to chuck all the nukes into the Sun?

How do you store solar energy user? Oh, you cant

I hate you fucking people. You know why oil is popular? It can be fucking stored for hundreds of years until you need it

ok how about this

we take it into the middle of the ocean and attach some big rocks to the barrels and then drop them in?

Naturally occurring radon gas is more of a problem than nuclear "waste". Nuclear waste is insignificant.

Nuclear reactors are needed to make products for medicine. Heaps of medicals need radioactive additives, ingredients et al.
Also put it in uninhabitable places that have no resources

>is because the government only wants nuclear power to create plutonium for bombs

Why burgers are always the retard ones?

So we use the enriched Uranium, and the least radioactive waste that is good for nothing is used to bomb shit?

The future of energy isn't going to just be one source. It will come from several different sources. You're correct that nuclear isn't the answer though

I'm a nuclear reactor operator on a carrier in the US navy. Whenever I see these threads I feel intense physical pain in my brain. The amount of misinformation about nuclear power and how little the general public knows about it is astounding. This is one of the subjects that makes me want a technocracy.

>find out there is NO geologically stable place to store nuclear waste

That massive orange area between Perth and Adelaide says otherwise. Surely this is ozzie irony?

Nuclear should be the baseload for all the green alternatives

So we can leak radioactivity to all the people of earth.
Great Idea, the sun and heat made aussies fucking idiots

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back to melbourne

>what is a battery

.. the barrels will just get crushed by the ocean

uranium is heavier than water???

I don't see the problem

>melbourne
the city most deserving of a nuke

>he fell for the nuke meme

YFW you can

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It is actually extremely difficult to launch something into the sun. Since we orbit around the sun at 30 km/sec in one direction you essentially have to cancel that energy out by accelerating to 30 km/sec in the opposite direction.

>what is a battery
>Topic: waste disposal

Batteries don't last that long.

A piss poor way of storing electrical power in such a manner.

Best bet is pumped water storage.

Yeah, Nuclear wastes atoms are very radioactive.

Dude, are you just trolling or you never studied physics?

Nope. It isnt cost effective or as efficient my friend. That technology is no were near being as useful as oil or nuclear

There is no way to store solar energy that isnt expensive af and is as effective

Wouldn't that just result in horrific mutants after the abos inevitably find and huff the shit?

that was on TOP of the water

what I'm saying is put it UNDER the water

Or you can just launch it fast enough to get pulled in by the suns gravity...

So put the radioactive material where it can pollute more water?

Presumably you'd be on board with towing a leaking oil tanker outside of the environment as well?

>On top of that we're approaching the point where we might be able to sift it out of seawater instead of mining.
Or you know just use thorium, it's fine to get rid of the old fuel waste but we have a supply of thorium that will outlast the planet even if we had 12 billion people living at an energy standard of Canada.

And by outlast I mean that, the sun will physically destroy the earth before we run out of thorium.

How the fuck can it leaks on top?

Nuclear core was under water and the japs were cooling it with sea water in the deep.
The idiots though that it was smarter that way and costs less

I don't know why you're assuming it has to be one or the other.

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>its storage system allows it to produce electricity for 15 hours without sunlight (at night or on cloudy days).

So even this isnt an effective way to store it since it only last up to 15 day? LOL

*hours

Then we can just use stationary bikes with generations to power everything else. This will solve our fatass problem too.

generators*
ree

Kek

B-but how will you motivate them to pump the peddles? Dangling burgers just out of their reach?

>be smart
>use nuclear energy
>build different type of reactors to create closed cycle
>create no nuclear waste
>import "nuclear waste" from more stupid countries and on top of it get money from them for it
>laugh at them behind doors

Well you can either sit there in front of a blank screen or you can pedal the bike.
pretty fucked up dude

Nigger you're retarded, thorium is only useful in breeder reactors and is abundant in India, in America we have much larger supplies of uranium

Cool but it still sounds less effective and more expensive than oil or nuclear famalam

Solar power a shit

>damage electrical appliances in houses
Ahh how would this happen bro, do you think the electricity is radioactive that a nuclear plant has made?

>energy standard of Canada.

roughly 30 shitposts per hour for 10 million citizens

why is radiation pronounced ray-dee-ay-shin but rads are pronounced rahds?

It'd be fine for civilians, all our oil and nuclear should be used to ensure our place as top dog and for things we need like hospitals, schools, etc. Meanwhile we can power our own homes for free with solar and manually creating electricity, which means we won't have to negotiate with Saudi Arabia and Syria to get cucked in exchange for oil, we won't need their oil. Also, people could get hired to manually power things like football stadiums or government facilities.
Would be dank

Because English is a funny language.

Because the way syIIabIes are separated in EngIish.

Wait youre serious and are actually imagine a world were people run on hamster wheels for power LOL

Solar is too expensive for the common man to install into his home on a regular basis. Not a bad idea if it were cheaper but at this time its way to expensive

GOY
Money is no mattah
Would you rather have solar panels on top of your home (and be in debt for the rest of your life but it doesn't really mattah)or a melanin enriched "Syrian refugee" IN your home?

Have you ever used solar power that shit fucking sucks

>>damage electrical appliances in houses
What? Also allow me to rebutt your post.

>be retarded
>use solar energy
>don't actually have enough electricity to run an industrialized society because solar is a fucking pipe dream and have to keep on burning coal anyway

>implying both wont be happening at once the way things are going and how cucked our nation is

>get radioactive material our of the ground
>use it
>put it back in the ground
WHAT A TWIST

It's okay desu eventually we'll start shooting them into space

They already lost when their best examples of storing it was an amazing 15 hours without direct sunlight

Wow its fucking nothing

The best energy is one that can be effectively stored and sold.

>nuclear waste has no solution
>stopping research before finding a solution

Chineses are also putting a lot of money in liquid salt cooling, which is way more secure and thorium which it more abundant than uranium, produce less waste and can't be used to make bombs. That's way more efficient than solar energy, but it's up to you if you want to be eaten by yellow people

Fun fact
Radioactive material is a raw extracted resource
Radioactivity of waste is not higher than then when it was mined

Hints of truth.

People who don't work with semiconductors are sadly uninformed of the full life cycle costs of working with these things.

The plants fabricating standard Si cells will at least need:
a) Hydrofluoric acid (HF) for etching of unwanted SiO2.
b) Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) for texturing the Si surface (it's an anisotropic preferential etch along planes that creates pyramidal shapes that scatter light with the intent of scattering it back down into the absorbing region).
c) Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and derivatives/proprietary formulations for removal of photoresist during photolithography.
d) A combination of concentrated Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2), Ammonium Hydroxide (NH4OH) and Hydrochloric acid (HCl) used in different mixtures (RCA or SC1 clean) to prep the substrates prior to device fabrication.
e) Standard solvents, like methanol, isopropyl alcohol, acetone, base-containing photoresist developers that typically have dilute hydroxides, depending on the resist and process step.

Now, when you get into concentrated photovoltaics, III-V is king, meaning you get the fun of adding things like:
a) New cell materials, i.e. Gallium Arsenide (GaAs), Indium Gallium Phosphide (InGaP), Gallium Phosphide (GaP), all of which need to be disposed of when the cell is no longer functional.
b) Precursors for the growth of those materials, which include solid-state and gaseous Arsenic (Arsine), Phosphorus (Phosphine), etc.
c) New etchant chemicals that work with III-V materials (phosphoric-based acids, hydrochloric-based acids). This can also include gaseous phase reactant gases that are need for reactive ion etching (dry etching), e.g. Cl/Br/F based.
d) New antireflective coatings, e.g. Magnesium Fluoride (MgF2).

That's all just during production. The final cells also have to be disposed of at the end of their product life.

>t. alternative solar materials researcher

Yes but they are not as harmful as you are lead to believe. The corperations want you to think that so you will thank them when they horde all radioactive materials. Do you know what the worth of a gram of uranium is? I forget but its like 1000 times that of gold.

da fuq?

Well there's one easy solution but it's not plausible, yet.

Dump it into space.
Once we can figure out how to put it in space without risk of shit blowing up on the way and raining nuclear death to everyone then the problems of disposing of that waste are solved for good.

I get how efficient nuclear energy is, and a atable place for dumping would be Tsjernobyl for example. But why should we not use that what the sun is constantly giving? It's like searching for bread while it is being offered to you.

We could just feed it to the starving North Koreans. Solve 2 problems at once.

Vast supplies of Uranium-238, fertile but not fissile. Transmuted into Plutonium which is more fissile in a fast reactor than a thermal. Fast reactors have never really overcome their problems and the possibility of plutonium being used for nukes also makes it undesirable. The thorium-232-Uranium-233 fuel cycle usually results in the production of trace amounts of Uranium-232, which emits gamma rays. Safe in a reactor, but not in a bomb. So even if your Uranium supply is more abundant than Thorium, it's fuel cycle makes it more undesirable.

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Energy is required to make solar panels. That energy is usually coal powered. In countries with limited sunlight (i.e. Britain + Scandinavia) the energy cost to make solar panels outweighs the return.

You fucking idiots are going to make earths core radioactive

Solar is the way of the future. You racist bigots need to understand that sun energy is the best. Umarau approves this thread.

Because solar is way less bang for your buck, requiring lots of space, lots of materials, and you're getting maybe 20% efficiency, problems with long distance power transmission, and it's generally expensive.

Yeah how we recycle all the poisonous heavy metals used to make solar panels?

The only ones that won't kill us are wind and tidal and they are unreliable garbage tier power sources.

I hope you aren't implying that it would detonate like a nuke.

Here if you buy solar panels you can expect to pay them off in 10 years, but since they only last about ten years there's no opportunity to make money from the investment.

Australia is like 90% useless desert

Make 1% of that a little less useless and dig a hole

there

Solar creates toxic by products as well, and not nearly as efficient as nuclear

Solar photovoltaic is a meme only reserved for space. Let's wait and see how Japan's space farm will perform

>use Solar
>sun sets
>clouds appear
>fire up the coal plant while giving ourselves a pat on the back because WE DID IT GUYS.

That's literally how it works in Australia and the world. RIGHT NOW AND FOREVER solar fag. It will work that way for a very long time.

DEAL WITH IT.

We should justdump it in Australia.

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>Sup Forums will ignore this
grats on your 300 posts, m8

>solves the abbo problem too
It just gets better and better!

what sort of design do those ship reactors have?

how do you cool?

Reminder that the only reason safer nuclear reactors aren't a thing is because they don't fund them because the radioactive materials used are either incredibly hard to weaponize or outright impossible., and countries wanted nuclear weapons.

Nuclear power is fine.

We should just stick to reactors types that produce the type of waste that can be recycled in a 2nd type of reactor.

Because rads are measure of an areas radicalness