Wait, why are you against socialism again?

Wait, why are you against socialism again?

>Socialism is against human nature because human greed
Excessive selfishness is a bad thing and should be discouraged, just like we discourage theft or murder. You wouldn't base an entire system on murder, would you?

>Socialism means no innovation and no improvement in tech
The computer, nuclear energy, the internet, the jet engine, the satellite (sputnik), etc. etc. were all funded by the government in the USA or USSR.

>But nobody will work in Socialism
Not true because most people have an innate tendency to work. Besides, under capitalism, only 106 million people in the USA have full time jobs. That means that 200 million are basically unemployed. There would be some lazy leeches in Socialism but it would be less than 200 million like in capitalism.

By the way, I have a full-time job and I actually like my job somewhat.

What are your thoughts?

Remember that in socialism, people have more time for relationships, sex, babies,etc, because all wealth is not hoarded by 70 year old billionaires. We need a large working class population if we are going to achieve full automated luxury gay space socialism and colonize planets.

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>Socialism results in mass killings of millions and famines
Not true. Stalin killed about 200,000 people, like every dictator. Besides, Russia and China had plenty of famines before socialism. Socialism ended famines in Russia and China. There was also more population growth under Socialism in Russia and China than after capitalist reforms.

>It wouldn't be democratic
Not true. Things would be decided by referendum. The first referendum would be on whether healthcare should be provided to all. Money is not an issue because this would be a money-less society with central planning through democratic vote. If you have land, timber, skilled labor, and a person that wants a house, a house should be built and it can be built. Freedom and liberty would be protected.

>Socialism doesn't work in racially diverse countries
This is not an actual reason. You are just saying that races (which don't really exist) cannot come together. But why can't they come together? Because of racists like you.

The weak should fear the strong, not leech off them.

>Stalin killed about 200,000 people
That's the lowest estimate I've ever seen in my entire life.

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so tell me again why i should have to fork over everything i worked hard for?

Because neumerous times its proven to never work

>inb4 not real socialism

That this is cancerous shit possting

maybe stop reading McCarthyist bullshit?

commies need to die

at some point you will run out of other peoples money

I prefer being able to go buy whatever I want, when I want, and not having to wait in any line more so than a few minutes. I enjoy having power almost 100% of the time, and being able to eat an orange every single day of the year.

go move to Venezuela, I heard its really great there.

There should be no fear, we should care for one another. Finish high school and stop being a fedora tier believer in hierarchy before you die without friends.

what is your point by posting that?

for the benefit of your children, grand children so that we can get past the rut we are in as a society. capitalism has stagnated

Socialism, however flawed it was, did wonders for the Russian working class and the Chinese working class. Ask the Uzbeks whether they prefer USSR or post-USSR. Ask the Ukrainians.

Imagine the wonders it can do in a developed society like America

there is no money in socialism read my OP you idiot. From each according to ability, to each according to need. No money is needed in a centrally planned, direct democratic society. You just need resources like land, raw materials, labor, etc. which we have plenty of.

>I prefer being able to go buy whatever I want, when I want
So what is stopping you from buying 10 mansions and hanging out with hot girls instead of posting on Sup Forums

People will work so long as it's worth it to them to work. Not having full-time employment does not equal lazy leach.

In socialism, productivity eventually reduces to the bare minimum because there is no chance for advancement.

A doctor is barely paid more than a janitor. No one wants that.

Scientific funding is not necessarily socialism. It is just scientific funding. It is both privately and publicly funded.

"Excessive Selfishness" is a lot better than a moderate amount of altruism. When people forget themselves, they end up letting a bunch of Somalis into their country in the millions. With selfishness, people can at least realize they have to protect themselves from invasion. In altruism, they let the invaders rape them. The nation state is inherently selfishly motivated and would not operate properly otherwise. If the nation state is altruistic, it will lose all its power.

In Socialism, people are starving to death due to state mismanagement of agriculture. When people are poor and starving they reproduce much more. The reproduction rate tends to be inversely proportional to the affluence of a population. This is a known fact and historically observed.

Because talking to socialists is always either boring or annoying.

I couldn't live in a society full of that shit.

>for the benefit of your children, grand children

Why do i have to give away my money to the state to benefit my children? Why cant i just give it to them directly?

Socialism is immoral and selfish. If socialists truly had good intentions then they would voluntarily give their own wealth to help out the needy. Instead socialists use the government to coerce others to part with the fruit of their labor.

you don't want socialist qties?
you know there is no such thing as a fascist woman, right?
why do you think Milo and so much of the alt-right is gay and tranny?

Guys whatever happened to Bernie Bros, did they all just become non-political?

It doesn't look like they joined either party.

Why don't you move to Venezuela to find out for yourself

>Excessive selfishness is a bad thing and should be discouraged, just like we discourage theft
Socialism is by nature selfish, and theft. You just based an entire system off of selfish theft.

>Socialism ended famines in Russia and China

Are socialists really so delusional they can't even see the murder?

I'm a socialist and this is BS. You give us bad name. The USSR lived off the wealth of Eastern Europe and was nothing more than a despotic state.

Giving all your money to people who don't work and people who will potentially not work will eventually collapse the economy

Innovation thrives off necessity and competition, of which socialism creates neither

Maybe most asian and white people dislike idle hands. Not true for shitskins.

Is this your argument for socialism? because you sure as shit wouldn't be buying multiple mansions in any socialist dreamworld.

>he doesn't already shitpost from his mansions while hanging out with multiple instagram whores

sucks to be you

You're not a socialist, you're a social democrat or a green, like Sanders or Stein.

Do you believe capitalism should be abolished? If not, you are merely a social democrat like Bernie.

Social democracy is still abolishing capitalism, in that it ties it down with so many regulations, taxes, programs, and etc etc that it's all but gone.

Socialism can work with a strong nationalist aspect. Dunno if something like that has ever been tried, tryna think of a good name for it...

It defies natural order.

Also under socialism the family unit is destroyed, and the state rears the children.

You don;t even understand teh concepts you think you agree with.

Read some Russian history, or speak to any one who lived though the soviet area about daily life and personal freedoms, then grow up.

>implying socialist girls aren't fat SJWS who fuck Jamal

Lmao

>only 106 million people in the USA have full time jobs. That means that 200 million are basically unemployed
Don't let the obama leaf hear you say that

>There should be no fear, we should care for one another. Finish high school and stop being a fedora tier believer in hierarchy before you die without friends.
There is only fear in communism.

>he doesn't even know how communist leaders keep power

>McCarthyist
Literal retard right here.

Holy shit, stale ass copypastas have to be against the rules.
Go kill yourself OP. You obviously don't care about becoming informed.

Social Nationalism...no, that's not it..what am I thinking of here

Because I can thrive on my own without needing handouts from others
Because I don't like to eat zoo animals or from trash etc

>Socialism
I prefer living.

Socialism / communism are the most overrated ideologies ever. It's shit that a kid would think is good. It's stuff that sounds really good on the surface but doesn't actually work.

1. Socialism hasn't worked historically, and it's not working now.
2. Nobody owes anyone anything. Welfare should be abolished.
3. Socialism creates stagnation and beta cucks.
4. Why have everybody throw their money into a big pot and everybody buys everything for each other, instead of just allowing people to buy goods / services on their own when they want them? There's nothing smart, or unifying, or caring about it. It's disingenuous, it's inconvenient, and it's robbery. Nobody owes you money for your abortion. We don't care about it, that's your thing and you have to pay for it.
5. Socialists always have an elitist, snobby attitude, and they're usually of average intelligence but they think of themselves as really sophisticated and smart.

If you like socialism, great, good for you, move to a socialist country. Stop trying to make the US into a socialist country. The entire world shouldn't conform to your historically failed ideas, there should be a variety of different systems and each country should have their own unique economic system, laws, etc.

>yemen

huh, TIL. That's probably why it's in super low HDI territory compared to its friends.

also, I think algeria and egypt(under nasser) could probably kinda go there

>Not true because most people have an innate tendency to work.
Alright, you now owe me $1000 to pay for my monthly expenses, you will do it because you have an innate tendency to want to become my slave for no benefit to yourself whatsoever.

>Wait, why are you against socialism again?
I read about what's going on in Venezuela

I like keeping the fruits of my labour. Owning my own patch of land to hand down to my sons to hand down to theres. No body has claim to what I earn or make

So you don't pay taxes?
And your employer doesn't make a profit off your work product?

I'm not against socialism or a mixture of nationalism/socialism. I'm against socialism while my country is flooded with niggers and pakis.

Owning property is not prohibited in fascism or "national socialism".

Taxes are inevitable. Socialism takes everything you own to give away to the masses. Im willing to give up a little so my family can live, my family so the town, the town for the state, and the state for the nation. Not the State plays daycare

Do you have an employer? Does he make a profit off your work? Isn't this theft? Shouldn't you keep all of the fruit of your own labor?

He still provides a service in that he manages the budgets, connections, sets prices, marketing strategy, etc.

Besides, if you're bothered about employers getting money for "just pushing papers" around, you should remember: Over 70% of all money that goes into the state gets embezzled and it's not even a ost that can get reduced by market forces softwaremetrics.com/Economics/Private Charity versus Government Entitlements.pdf

Yes. The employer makes money. The employer pays me for work. The state then takes out some of it. Not I work for an employer, then all my money goes to the state to be redistributed to people who havnt worked.

>most people have an innate tendency to work


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I can not express accurately just how fucking far my sides have gone.

One word: Niggers

And that, you dumb fucking idiot, is just the tip of the iceberg.

Niggers aren't people tho. They're beasts of the field.

What kind of field are we talkin' here?

Cotton?

What is the name of the girl? She's beautiful.

Nordic countries like Sweden, Norway etc. are proof that socialism can work, but jews destroyed it by creating communism witch doesn't work, and saying how communism is same as socialism or "higher stage" of socialism, witch is horseshit.

But yeah, when now someone say he is for socialism, 'muricans immediately start spamming communism pictures and shit, just what jews want.

>most people have an innate tendency to work

I agree with that, not everyone are disgusting, fat, useless slobs, who just want to stuff pie in their face and sit on playstation whole day..

I don't, nobody lives to work other than workaholics, most of them are working towards something