>“Everybody has Doctor Doom misunderstood,” Lee said. “Everybody thinks he’s a criminal, but all he wants is to rule the world. Now, if you really think about it objectively, you could walk up to a policeman, and you could say, ‘Excuse me, officer, I want to tell you something: I want to rule the world.’ He can’t arrest you; it’s not a crime to want to rule the world. So […] it’s unfair that he’s considered a villain, because he just wants to rule the world. Then maybe he could do a better job of it. So I’m very interested in Doctor Doom, and I’d like to clear his name.”
>So there you have it: Stan Lee is out to redeem Victor Von Doom. The rest of the interview brings up some other interesting perspectives, with the 93-year-old comics legend putting to rest the age-old argument about who would win in a fight between the Incredible Hulk and Thor.
>Spoiler: It’s the Mighty Thor, because although the Hulk is strong, Thor is immortal.
Ares was immortal, too. >tfw Lee is shilling Bendis' schlock
Gavin Collins
>It’s the Mighty Thor, because although the Hulk is strong, Thor is immortal.
Does this mean Thor could only won by stalling?
Charles Davis
Stan, it's not the desire to rule that make Doom a villain, it's all the evil. I know you're super old and were famous for having a terrible memory even when you were young, but c'mon, he shot the Baxter Building into space, man.
Elijah Thompson
Good old Vic, always looking out for the little guy.
Logan Adams
So that's the secret of Lee's long life. He has connections to Latveria.
Michael Ramirez
I love the way Stan thinks. This is better reasoning than every Doom post on Sup Forums.
He's still a super villain, c'mon.
Jack Evans
>Everybody thinks he’s a criminal, but all he wants is to rule the world He's not wrong.
Chase Mitchell
Can't you use the same justification for Nazis or North Korea?
Isaac Williams
Or Alexander, or Caesar, or Napoleon, or Genghis Khan. Whether we'll remember Doom as a villain will depend on whether or not he'll win.
Carter Johnson
Its his means not his ends.
Gavin Adams
>Implying he'll ever win
James Gray
>North Korea wants to rule the world >Nazis wanted to rule the world
American education is shit. Sup Forums is the dumbest board.
I hate to agree with Stan, but anyone that believes Hulk has a chance is retarded.
Lucas Green
>Now, if you really think about it objectively, you could walk up to a policeman, and you could say, ‘Excuse me, officer, I want to tell you something: I want to rule the world.’ He can’t arrest you; it’s not a crime to want to rule the world. Well no, it isn't a crime to WANT to rule the world. However, most of the actions involved in trying to take over the world are most definetly crimes. And every time Doom has tried to take over the world, he's committed a whole bunch of crimes. Stan Lee doesn't seem to understand how the law works.
Aaron Gomez
Wait what explain
Blake Peterson
Doom got vibranium bro. Doom be worthy 'n shiet.
Wyatt Cox
Lol at Marvel trying to backtrack on Doom's villain status because he's a minority.
Colton Flores
Alright, let's hear some essential Doomcore.
Dominic Murphy
Actually all hierarchy that extends beyond the ruler's monkeysphere is evil, how can you claim the authority over people you're incapable of caring about
Angel Ward
You can be a villain and not commit a crime. Fucking other peoples wives, for instance. Cops can't do shit, it's not illegal, but it's not a good thing to do.
He's just not a criminal.
Man, Stan Lee is fucking senile af.
Jaxon Collins
>American education is shit. Sup Forums is the dumbest board.
Not american, and not about conquering the world, but both think that their way of life was superior to any other nations and doesn't care for the mountain of bodies of inocent people that they build it, or still build. Doom let people die for seeing them as weak and not the best of hummanity once...how this make him better than a nazi?
Its basically execusing any terrible action by "Hey! He think its for Good!".
Wyatt Gonzalez
>implying Doom is a villain I see that good ol' Reed Richards propaganda is working well. The Fantastic Four could cure cancer, wipe out world hunger and remove poverty, sending humanity to space and making us all live longer, healthier lives. They refuse to do so. The FF are the villains, user.
Josiah Parker
>>Spoiler: It’s the Mighty Thor, because although the Hulk is strong, Thor is immortal.
Postponing the fight until the other guy dies of old age is hardly winning.
Thomas Mitchell
A win is a win.
Nolan Ramirez
That's like claiming I beat Muhammad Ali because I lived longer than him.
David Smith
Did you outlive him while fighting him?
Samuel Lopez
>Doom >criminal
nice one.
Logan Miller
doom's a piece of shit
if he took over the world he would just drag humanity into some unwinnable war with some alien species because simply ruling earth wouldnt be enough for his ego
Jason Sanchez
Most aliens are complete shitters with a much lower ratio of enhanced individuals.
Aaron Williams
Or the aliens would come to him
Anthony Ross
Mr nobody once turned a man into commode and the cops couldn't do anything about it since it's not against the law.
Camden Robinson
In Stan Lee's day Thor was FAR stronger than Hulk (in fact, that was one of the core concepts of Thor, for him to be "the only hero stronger than Hulk"), so his perspective would be a bit different.
Gabriel Walker
None of that is true at all. He was literally created specifically so hulk would have someone to fight on his level. Thor has never been stronger than Hulk.
Brody James
>Thor was FAR stronger than Hulk (in fact, that was one of the core concepts of Thor, for him to be "the only hero stronger than Hulk") False.
Ryan Russell
>but all he wants is to rule the world Yeah we know that
It's the way of how he wants to reach that goal that makes him a criminal
Doom Travelled to the Wakandan spirit realm, where all the Wakandan totem warriors draw their power from. He discovered that Vibranium is actually spirit infused steel, which is why it only appears in Wakanda.
So he went to what is essentially their afterlife, and talked to Watana'kita, the White Panther, who seems like Wakandan Zeus or something.
He passed a number of trials, and then before White Panther killed him, Doom forced him to examine all possible realities, and thus you get this panel.
Jayden Scott
What I want to know is how many words did the white panther see where Doom ends up destroying the world
Jace Hughes
Yeah but Bendis didn't create Ares did he so his opinions mean fuck all
Andrew Phillips
>all he wants is to rule the world DOOMFAGS BTFO B T F O
Dylan Moore
how is that btfo?
Thomas Wood
Doomfags want Doom as an emo-ish antihero who cries at 9/11, instead of a villain.
Jason Hughes
That is blatantly false. Doomfags want magitech dictator supreme leading humanity to a new age of greatness.
Evan Carter
>Doomfags want a sissy Ugh.
Aaron Allen
Doomfags constantly shit on Doom crying about 9/11.
Jackson Ward
And yet it's what a second-rate antihero like Doom would do.
Nathaniel Ross
Are you even reading what you're replying to?
Jeremiah Jones
Doom is a fucking PUNK.
Everyone talks about how horrible a villain he is, yet every damn one of his reads, at least the ones that I've seen or been suggested to see by Sup Forums, depict him as more of a fucking antihero than an actual villain.
Joker -- Killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara, killed Sarah, etc.
Magneto -- Ripped Wolverine's fucking skeleton out
Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fucking son
Doom -- The nigga delivered Reed Richards' child.
His big "act of villainy" there was just NAMING THE GIRL. Sure, you can toss out the whole "oh well he was proving that he could do something that Richards couldn't, he could help his family when Richards could not", or the bs "Oh well he's a classy motherfucker dohoho/he's an honorable villain" crap out there, but when it comes down to it, Doom hasn't done SHIT.
That all being said, Doom crying at 9/11 wasn't any sort of break in character or anything to me. Hell, I would even go as far to say that it was entirely IN character.
Joseph Morales
Are you kidding? That's Stans' whole strategy.
Mason Bell
Doom cries only because they died without knowing the majesty of Doom.
Joseph Morgan
>not posting the entire page Casual
Hunter Rivera
>background Holy shit, the Celestials have a ship? How big is that? If you parked it at the Sun it would reach up to Earth? How big was the shipyard where it was built? Where did they get the resources for such a ship? There's at least 10 processed planets in there!
Charles Carter
Doom is offered a choice: >Achieve rule over the world and institute global peace and prosperity >fuck over Reed Richards What does he choose?
For the sake of argument, let's call the two options mutually exclusive.
Mason Kelly
>who would win in a fight between the Incredible Hulk and Thor. >Spoiler: It’s the Mighty Thor Damn fucking STRAIGHT
Nicholas Sanders
Faggot
Charles Ramirez
Why won't people just fucking let Doom be a villain already? Why this incessant need to relativise him?
Grayson Butler
Capes are very deep, user.
Brandon Scott
He just wants to be a despot, guys! Stop shaming him!
Connor Myers
Go back to bed Ellis
Jacob King
Doctor doom could also do all that stuff, but he won't unless everyone spends all their time building doom monuments and shit.
Leo Moore
It's 2016, how can you decide who is 'right' and who is 'wrong'? How can you still believe in archaic dualistic morality?
Parker Diaz
Shut up Drumpf.
Daniel Russell
>it's celestial i ain't gotta 'splain shit
Caleb Sullivan
>Go back to bed Ellis and die in you sleep while you're there
Juan Lee
so is Thor back to being the greatest and strongest marvel superhero?
Kayden Thompson
Dude. Have you learned nothing from Tears for Fears?
Gavin Morgan
>Doom >sowing the seeds of love I don't think so, Tim.
Nathan Howard
in all those instances were just. Doom destroyed infinite universes with the incursion
Caleb Diaz
>Spoiler: It’s the Mighty Thor, because although the Hulk is strong, Thor is immortal.
So Mr Immortal wins against the Hulk, got it
Nicholas Bennett
I'm surprised nobody posted anything from pic related considering the subject material.
Well he does do all that stuff no? Just only for those under his direct rule. I mean, I sure as hell would build monuments for the man who cured my cancer.
I also recall a What If? of him actually taking over the world and making do with his promises. So FF are kind of in the wrong with their expectation that a world under Doom would be a terrible one.
Kevin Smith
Didn't Doom kill a couple butlers just to test if Fem-Loki was real Loki?
Carter Allen
kek, good point.
Leo Davis
>Doom has never ever killed or tried to kill anyone ever -Stan Lee
Chase Reed
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Jonathan Peterson
Indeed.
Colton Phillips
Hulk will eventually starve to death while he will not, so yes. If the fight has no rules, and it's just until one of them is permanently incapable of fighting, he will win.
Aiden White
Apparently:
DOOM IS THE GOOD GUY
Of all the possible futures, the only one where mankind finally reaches a utopic state of peace and prosperity is Doomworld
David Rodriguez
>Incredible Hulk, I've come to bargain.
Aaron Ramirez
That shit was too hacky to be relevant.
Luis Martin
Doom looks into tens of thousands of possible futures, and see only one where humanity prospers, the one where he rules.
The Panther God of Wakanda looks into all possible futures, and agrees with him.
Not unreasonably, Doom takes this as a sign he should probably start conquering the world.
Samuel Davis
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Hudson Perry
The Nazis wanted to rule Europe, which is basically the whole world
Samuel Perry
I call bullshit until this is answered: >Does immortal mean invincible? All standard definitions have only said that you live forever, so you can't die from your body degrading or anything. But that doesn't mean someone can't come along and kill you. Seriously, this question's been bugging me since Dragon Ball Z. Even if Vegeta got his wish for immortality, what would stop Frieza from vaporizing him?
Liam Ramirez
Depends on the type of immortality.
Dragon Ball wishes type immortality is basically infalliable super-regen from any injury, and none of your limbs can be cut off either. You're also immune to any disease or sickness. Aging is also halted, though it's not known whether the person grows younger or not. This is basically being invincible.
Other types of immortality involve being immune to aging, diseases and/or poisons, but not immune to potentially lethal injuries.
Logan James
Yeah and I suppose "Heute Deutschland, morgen die Welt!" was supposed to be taken facetiously.
Benjamin Perry
> Being this casual > What is Secret Wars?
Jeremiah Williams
Both the panther and Doom act to make the one reality they think leads mankind to peace. What this reality is differs for each one, but the intent is the same.
Jason Lee
Yes. Of course everyone remembers that one time that Hitler peered into the future and was told by a God or something that his rule was the only thing that could save mankind. That's just basic history.
Michael Taylor
That's a copypasta. Saw it a couple days ago in another thread.