The redpill on China's snubbing Obongo and S.China Sea

Watch all 18 quick minutes on whats been happening in the last 6 months. Real Redpill discussion on China and what we are doing to contain them.

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Really? Nobody wants to talk about how we have a carrier group stationed in manila and a bunch of destroyers along with the japanese navy

in what sense does US wish to contain China?
in what sense does China "need to be contained" in the first place? (are they threatening neighbors? expanding their influence in areas previously
>don't intend questions as provocations, just seems that China is for the most part simply strengthening itself within its own territory or what is de facto Chinese territory, so need for containment
essentially US is sending tons of assets into the area because China is building up islands they own?
it's reminiscent of US pushing for more NATO bases and missile systems on the Russian border, with the reasoning being Russian actions within their own borders. Doesn't exactly paint US as "not the aggressor" in both cases

*expanding their influence in areas previously not their own? etcl
unfinished thought there, but generally I think I got my questions across
>also another bump for OP and thanks for interesting video
good topic that needs more attention these days, with tensions slowly but steadily escalating and Hillary being a warmonger that is likely to assume the potus mantle

Everyone knows US is not the good guy, they wish to retain their dominance over all the major trade routes. While China is the first country in a long time to stand up against US, and wish to secure their own precious trade route, which if compromised can be catastrophic to their country.

The question is, whether if either country have the balls to actually go into a conflict. If US fails, it will have long reaching consequences for their empire. If China fails, they get pushed back to where they were before. I personally think US have much more to lose in this conflict than China.

ok, another pleb question:
how do trade routes and the dominance over them work?
isn't it all technically international waters? wouldn't there be a massive shitstorm if US or Chinese or any other military navy blocked some cargo ships carrying bought and paid for trade goods across the ocean? and if so, and nobody would ever do that, why have the "dominance" over trade routes in the first place?

The person who can maintain control over them in the time of war. It basically a form of threat. It is why China want to build bases along their trade route, so it can't get easily cut off in times of conflict and US want to deny them that, so it remains the sole country with bases all over the world.

US should just cut its military budget to a third and focus on a defensive rather than offensive military

>muh world police

hillary is under chinese sway. she'll sabotage the u.s. from within when it comes time for conflict.

we're fucked. watch a carrier group get sent to davy jones' locker in the next 5 years.

Call me when the Zumwalt gets railguns.

I doubt we will lose. I am almost positive we are going to sea some hot action between us and china. With Trump in office I guarenfuckin tee it hopefully we kick them out of the sea

We are the aggressor. So what? American empire rises. Hopefully we team up with Japan this time and fuck china up.

listen here LEAF
we're in charge, and if any chinks think they can prove otherwise, then there'll be hell to pay

>why have the "dominance" over trade routes in the first place?
because otherwise in the event of war China would be blockaded and lose. that is literally what this is all about.

it is the worst case scenario for china and a glaring weakness due to geography and current military capabilities. hence they are investing heavily in their navy/airforce, anti-ship ballistic missiles, drones, satellites etc and building forward bases in the middle of the ocean

This.

We'll merica those zipperheads faster than they can say chowmein

got it, thanks

although somewhat unsettling to see how much effort/capital is being put into what is essentially a contingency, makes me think the war is a lot more likely than I previously assumed

Ding Ding Ding.

Everything is going as predicted like 15 years ago.

Oil problems, stagnating economy, economic protectionism, then war. It's a cycle and we are just about to economic protectionism with TPP boxing out china.

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perhaps countries think about war more than you realised but this doesn't make war more likely, it's just prudence. one could argue that it makes war less likely.

also with anti-globalism rhetoric we hurt china's economy as we were their backbone. with hillary, we get ww3 with russia as our enemy alongside china. with trump, we get ww3 with russia as our ally against china.

either way, we're going to war.

Thanks for the video

this is our country
这是我们的地盘

I want you communist freak off this board

POP
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eat shit imperialist dog

those islands aren't though, and neither is the south china sea. china steals things and never earns anything legitimately, your whole country is a JOKE.

More like:

Trying to stop China from making new sea borders

I don't need the video I've been redpilled on this since the beginning. Should have listened to Webb more.

Webb in 2012: wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444184704577587483914661256

南京2.0来了,你他妈的缝隙

If we EVER go to war with China, I will personally enlist so that I can kill as many of you insects as possible.

不会中文就不要装逼
bring it faggot

Look up the trade routes in that area, billions of dollars (maybe trillions) go through that area and if the Chinese gain control over it all like they are moving towards they can dictate and basically demand new tariffs and such. That's the economic point of it.

On a military point it gives them footholds all over the pacific, setting up FOBs. Normally that probably wouldn't be super bad (as the US has a bunch all over the world) IF they weren't acting aggressively towards their neighbors and ignoring international laws.

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War with China would be a very good distraction to internal divisions in the US.

nice proxy friend

STOP POSTING

So you guys want america to get all the power because 'merica?

You do realize that will speed up the NWO process right? It is better for the families to keep fighting against each other than have one win it all and fuck us all up

Have you not learned from WW2?

>bring it

I wouldn't hope for it

You'll lose your new navy

You'll lose massively in a nuclear war

You won't be able to initiate a ground war

your country is becoming increasingly imperialist, nationalist, and certainly not communist.

That is a horrible example. WW2 was an economic blessing for the US.

What's funny is that all the countries that are 'evil' by the MSM and the West are those who refuse to play ball with the NWO.

Regional allies are more important, that and tech.

Only because our factories weren't bombed to shit.

America is just keeping the borders in Asia how they are

China is the aggressor here

China is also NWO-tier already. They're a socialist hell hole with zero freedoms.

Based Brotherhood.

Based

Oh ya crazy little China who thinks that just because their name is part of the sea that they basically own it. Also they think that if it's part of the continental shelf they own it too.

The Chinese are fucking retarded when it comes to concepts of ownership in regards to land.

No worries

Which would be the exact same scenario we would be in if war were to break out today

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>WW2 was a blessing for the bankers in the US

Fixed that for you

im glad you see the parallels friend

fuck off putin loving whore

You're completely missing the point. Nobody cares about legitimacy, it is about whether if you have the power to back up your claim of ownership. China want that are, because of the reason stated in the video, it is absolutely essential to their nation's well being since a lot of their oil import travels through that area.

You are forgetting the factories and the age that build the vision for the middle class we all remember

>I don't understand coastal border ownership
China doesn't "think" it owns anything, it's demanding ownership of islands for key maritime borders.

They always have been. Qin dynasty was literally a take everything and force it to be one country, kill people who disagree. And it was like that for basically every dynasty ever. The most famous examples are probably in the Three Kingdoms/Warring States Period at the end of the Han. Literally just rushes for land and forcing them to be one kingdom and taking out people who disagree.

Modern examples include Taiwan and Tibet. I wouldn't be surprised if they encroach on Mongolia or Vietnam soon.

Get fucking burger'd.

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."

---David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973

How hard is it to get a proper job in China? Is it hard to survive there?

ur probably the only person who gets it
do you actually think our government is blindly making claims to the region? can you not comprehend the political play here? the region probably isn't entirely ours but why the fuck would that stop us from making a claim when we're in a position of power?
America is forced to bargain with us, probably already underway at the g20

This world belongs to America. We already own it.

Is that kike dead yet?

Sounds like lip service. Lots of people died due to the revolution. It took reforms away from centralized production and a lite form of capitalism in partnership with international bankers to help reverse all the destruction. Mao was a failure.

alot of bad things came from the revolution but efficiency is definitely what carried us forward

Mao wasn't an actual communist, he embraced realpolitik and did whatever was needed to industrialise China and make it into the power it is today.

China has to be careful with that expansion. If a move seems too aggressive the US political machine will make sure to mobilize against China.

was it though? The destruction of alot of the old traditions and culture I think has contributed to their success as a country. Less infighting that before at least.

I understand, but Mao had to pay lipservice to communism which lead to economic disaster. It was Deng Shao Ping who helped move away from that.

>Less infighting that before at least.
Because if you disagree too much with them you'll be jailed

China: claim region
US: condemn
Phillipine: arbitration court
China: ignore
US: condemn again
China: military in region
US: more condemning
eventually they negotiate and this shit blows over
the chances of conflict are so small based on how america handles these things

The japanese industrialized without having to kill a bunch of people. Yes you have unity, but at great human cost. I am not saying its good or bad, I love how Genghis Khan unified a lot of land and made things efficient. Just keep in mind the cost.

The US has been known to fabricate/facilitate offences to its national interest.

I still think it was a good decision if you look at it as an means to an end. China is all but communist now, they're State Capitalist and most people there support Capitalism.

Japanese aren't on the same level of the Chinese and I don't see them growing much larger, but China has a lot of room to grow.

>I love how Genghis Khan unified a lot of land and made things efficient. Just keep in mind the cost
He did it based on fear. His multi cultural paradise that was surrounded by a forced Mongolian culture, died when Kublai did. A multicultural society has and always will end badly causing further splits in a land.

china is large, so large that invaders who conquer china eventually become assimmilated into the population
to bring chinese people onto the same page is difficult and will have costs

That is breaking a lot of eggs to make an omelette.

I agree. "Multiculturalism" only survives if there is a strongman in charge.

Larger populations need a bigger shock to get many in line, agreed.

Its pretty amazing that there are so many people here with murder in mind lol

We don't need to invade you. We don't want to. We can just embargo you and starve you.

You can threaten us in other ways but we still make 1/3 of your food and can stop your oil imports.

Your perspective really reveals how much Chinese people are influenced by their propaganda. If you think negotiation happens because that's "how America handles things," you're entirely deluded. That's a lie your politicians use to save face.

It'll come to negotiation rather than armed conflict because your 1990s military could never stand up to the US Armed Forces. The Marine Corps alone could lay waste to your backwards nation in a week.

Fugg we have American sailors here again? Fucking yanks. Can't even kick China off of spatlys, decides to act macho in our turf instead. Wtf. This is why Duterte is pivoting. You guys are fucking useless.

then get the fuck outta Los Angles

Let me just tell you that fighting China is literally inviting mutual destruction. It is not worth trying to do the shit you are suggesting because the reprisal would be huge. We have the technology yes, but they literally have the meat.

He is not wrong in describing how things have been going...for now. The US is looking for a "moral" excuse to intervene, but the internal politics of the US make focusing on that hard.

Its not that the US doesn't want to, it just needs the right conditions...like an ally getting into formal conflict.

yeah if only it were still the 1990s, but its 2016
china will lose a maritime conflict but not without dealing enough damage that it'll seem like america lost instead

They're just biding their time for the right moment to strike. I'm Chinese-Filipino but have no love for the mainland chinks. My ancestors fled that god forsaken place and was welcomed by this country with open arms.

Let's face it. When war comes, they're the only ones capable of helping us.

The US is done as a functional foreign actor. It can't generate internal or external consensus on anything, it's government isn't respected at home or abroad, and it is permanently destroyed racially. The US is basically Brazil now and its standing as an arbiter of foreign affairs will begin to reflect that soon.

There's only so long that anyone else will keep respecting the fading vestiges of Anglo-Saxon culture.

I would be concerned over nuclear capabilities of both countries. The US would win a conventional war, the US wouldn't need to invade to achieve the strategic goals, just drone industrial capacity and a blockade, that would force China to come to terms.

the other countries rely on us, its simple as that
vietnam and philippines, let alone Japan and Malaysia, or Australia, could defend themselves against China. We are their only hope of keeping China in check, look at it from their perspective - we ARE the good guys.

>You guys are fucking useless

they truly are. seppos are shit-tier allies, and their plan from the beginning was to bleed their allies dry as meatshields so they can finish off the chinks when they're a weakened husk,

Yes all that meat
On other side of the fucking ocean
That we control

its not our fault your country borders fuckin asia
you are an ungrateful shit.

why dont you fuckin do something then pussy
>pivot
you mean pivot your boipussy

A moral war can change that. If there us one things all Americans like regardless of race is kicking ass together.

When it comes to the War Machine, I have no doubt that America would do well, however China has as many factories as we do and much more workers. Considering how much trouble shit holes like the middle east give us, the amount of effort put into fighting China would be a huge fucking loss and stalemate. A land invasion would be fucking impossible most likely.

the moral war died with globalism

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>china will lose a maritime conflict but not without dealing enough damage that it'll seem like america lost instead

>citation needed.

Your whole fleet would be done before you knew the conflict started, rube.

When I say meat, I mean people for the meat grinder. If they aren't being fed, better for them to die in battle.

>regardless of race is kicking ass together.
Yeah, no. At the first sign of dragging this nation off to war to keep this nigger shit hole together, I'm taking up low level terrorism.

You can shove your patriotard nigger empire tripe up your faggot ass.

chinese rocket tragic accident
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