It turns Marvel and Fox made a character trade...

It turns Marvel and Fox made a character trade. Marvel let Fox use Negasonic Teenage Warhead for Deadpool and Fox let Marvel use Ego the Living Planet for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

>Since this story broke, director James Gunn has taken to his official Facebook page to talk even more about the behind-the-scenes maneuvering, saying:

>“When I first pitched Ego as Quill’s father, I THOUGHT we owned the character. After I had worked out a very elaborate story with Ego the Living Planet as a very important part of the Marvel cosmic universe, I learned that we actually didn’t own the character. I had no back up plan, and it would be nearly impossible to just drop another character in. Thank God Fox came to us and wanted to make a trade…”

I would have preferred if Marvel got Galactus and Silver Surfer but whatever.

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>I would have preferred if Marvel got Galactus and Silver Surfer but whatever.
They tried, didn't work out. They offered Daredevil for Galactus and SS.

>Thank God Fox came to us and wanted to make a trade


little did they know

Wait; how did Fox not own Negasonic's rights?

I bet that absolutely blindsided Gunn seeing as Ego's first appearance was in Thor.

Movie rights really are fucked up.

They had to run by Marvel the changes they were doing to her character.

>They offered Daredevil for Galactus and SS.

Fox refusing that offer turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I bet some Fox execs are absolutely kicking themselves when they saw how successful the Daredevil show became.

X-men is a mixed bag, kinda like always a halfway ownership thing. Heard Marvel was going to give them TV rights for some stuff but don't know if something happened from that.

>Hey guys, wanna give us Galactus and Silver Surfer for Daredevil? Rights are expiring and I heard you wanted to make a Daredevil movie.
>Hell no, we're starting a new Fantastic Four franchise that will be our next big thing after X-Men! We're gonna make 5 F4 movies and we're gonna use all those characters!
>Alright. Guess we're gonna make a Netflix show then. Good luck with that Fantastic Four franchise.

>Ego the Living Planet for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
DUDE MOM FUCKED A PLANET LMAO

YOU DID WHAT WITH A PLANET????

A WHOLE PLANET??

Actually mom fucked a planets humanoid avatar

That's a cool link you've got there.

How the hell did Fox own Ego to begin with?

Why? It never bothered them before.

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Marvel probably put him in the package with F4 and X-Men. Just how they also gave Daredevil, who has no ties to those franchises.

Especially since he only ever appeared in two issues of FF fifteen years after he debuted.

Marvel Television is co-producing Legion and a show about the Morlocks.

Funny thing is Fox could have just made her a female Cannonball and not had to deal with giving anything to Marvel.

Every modification to characters has to be approved by marvel.

Reminder, all the horse shit in the x-men movies, especially origins and last stand, was approved by marvel. We've known this for years, but no one wants to believe that marvel would say yes to all those changes.

FF

Yeah, but why would a character who debuted in Thor and hasn't been a significant character in F4 fall under the license, unless Fox asked for him specifically years ago then never used him?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We never gonna see that scene in theaters

>"Will you let us make these retarded changes that could possibly lead to our movies failing?"
>"...yeah I guess."

The genuine answer is lawyer magic.

A good lawyer can bullshit pretty much anything out of anything.

What I'm wondering is why Fox wanted Ego in the first place but not the Celestials. My guess is that they probably thought about combining Ego and Galactus as characters at some point.

How did Fox have Ego's rights? He debuted in Thor, so no wonder James Gunn was confused.

They own the rights to make stories she's already in. Original stories have to be approved (so that you don't make pornos without the ultimate rightsowner's consent just because you currently hold the rights).

Also, FOX never actually owned a lot of characters from X-Men before using them in movies. This was established when FOX tried to sue Marvel over the use of similar characters in a show called Mutant X. FOX settled privately.

It's possible that, contrary to what we've all been assuming, all they really got out of the settlement was the rights to the characters they'd already used.

FF and X-Men are separate contracts. He's probably part of FF (or was - now he's back at Marvel).

There will likely have been a list of suggested stories to adapt with the original contract. No point buying something that's supposed to be cosmic wonder and ending up doing a story about Manhattan living. Oh, wait.

Only if Marvel consented to the changes to Cannonball.

Think you answered your own question there.

Yeah, odds are that Ego's connection to Galactus is why Fox must have specifically asked for them.
There are a lot of characters that they must have specifically asked for in order for them to have had the rights, like Lady Deathstrike, Silver Samurai, Viper and fucking Taskmaster of all people.
On the flip-side, there were several characters that Marvel had the foresight to not hand over as part of the packages, like the Inhumans, Ronan and the Savage Land.

>Every modification to characters has to be approved by marvel.
I highly doubt Marvel has to approve every change. What Fox wanted to do was completely change a character by giving her powers that had nothing to do with what she could do in the comics. That's presumably something they need permission for. Has Fox ever done something like that before?

Like letting a child play with a gun.

>Taskmaster

These rights make no fucking sense.

Is there any hope Marvel could do more trades of his kind in order to get Kang, Annihilus, a bunch of other cosmic stuff and/or exclusive rights to the Scarlet Witch?

How the fuck don't they have Kang??

I guess because he's a Richards.

First appeared in a Fantastic Four comic.

But he first, and by far most often, appeared in 'Avengers'. He's one of their three or four most staple villains, along with Ultron, and... and nobody!

...Fuck. Rama-Tut. They can do that? Fuckers.

Nope, he first showed up as Pharaoh Rama-Tut in FF 19, then showed up again FF Annual 2 where he was implied to either be Doom's descendant or Doom himself.

Wait, Fox have Taskmaster? I thought people were sad that Fox couldn't put Taskmaster in a Deadpool film because of rights issues.

It's funny to me that Fox wanted Negasonic Teenage Warhead so badly in the first place. She was a literal who before the Deadpool movie.

The masters of evil, back when supervillains would form teams to do shit instead of just hanging out in bars and getting beat up.

Fox USED to have Taskmaster, but they lost his rights somehow, presumably because they never got around to actually using him, thus breaking whatever conditions of the special deal Marvel gave for them to use him.

Don't the Masters of Evil still run their own damn country?

Ego appeared in Thor?

Yes, it's where he first debuted. However, that story heavily featured Galactus (it's in fact where we first got his origin), establishing that he and Ego are long-time enemies, so that could be how Fox got him.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the movie
Was scared for a sec there

Nah. Those meddling kids wrecked Bagalia and Zemo's appearing in Captain Hydra doing something, I don't read it.

Cap was supposed to take out Zemo for the Skull, but he didn't - he has him captive instead.

Cap intents to assassinate the Skull and take over HYDRA.

I thought Negasonic was Jubes, Boom Boom, or Magma Girl when the pictures of her first popped up. Was disappointed but she was so hot I still waifued her.

Nope, Bagalia is still around, it showed up in both Sam Wilson and Captain Hydra's book.

...

>tfw Negasonic is a completely different character now because MOVIE SYNERGY

Wonder what Morrison thinks. She was a minor character anyway.

Yo mama so fat she could fit a Planet inside her *wink wink*.

I wonder if Marvel had to sign off on this.

>had no backup plan
I mean he could have just made J'Son his dad like the comics or whatever.

Probably not a lot, though I do wonder how many characters that he made ended up in movies

He doesn't want to use J'Son. Even Claremont's version was too Star Wars for Gunn. Englehart had other plans.

Prometheus ended in Arrow and White Martians showed up in Supergirl, right?

Hey, not bad.

>I would have preferred if Marvel got Galactus and Silver Surfer but whatever.
Fox's not giving those 2 up

>Marvel wasted an exchange to fix Gunn's fuck ups
You can't make this shit up. First he shits a retarded story that retroactively ruins the Guardians comics forever (yes FOREVER you stupid retards faggots, the shit won't get better just because fat fuck leaves), then he shits an even more retarded plot to ruin Quill and it turns out he doesn't even talk with anybody about the retardation he's creating. Not to mention we could've got Kang or Annihilus instead of one of the dumbest creations in comics.

I resent Gunn with a passion I swear. He ruins everything!

The big mistake was not making it a trilogy.
End the first movie with the Surfer grateful but all "My Master is still coming to this Earth. I don't know what to do."

The occasion that would cause Galactus to manifest in human form could be his herald asking him to spare the planet.

I never liked the movie and I hate his decisions, but I don't think Fox was willing to trade Annihilus since that means they'd give up the negative zone. I don't think they're ready to make that trade.

But it worked. Bendis stuff aside, it perfectly tied Quill to space in deeper ways than just getting powers from an old guy. And in any case J'son story is way less ridiculous than a planet turning into a man and fucking a Terran because "Dude I'm so lonely up here, not many female planets to fornicate with."

these things don't come in bundles. You can get Annihilus without the Negative Zone, just like you can get the Twins without Magneto or Deadpool's Bob without Hydra.

This is why people hate comics fans, dude.

It works, but Gunn saw an opportunity to do something different and more ambitious. As a standalone thing it's serviceable (though I still would have liked to see Englehart's take) but as a part of the Marvel universe, Jason and Sparta are extremely generic. I don't think there's any need for them in the comics anymore and they've never had another interesting story. I'm certainly not hurting to see them in the movie.

And Gunn says Quill's heritage is not a joke and will be a focal point of exploration. I'm willing to see where he's going with it before I start flinging shit because I think it's a pretty interesting take on both characters.

>Quill's heritage is not a joke and will be a focal point of exploration

...What is the heritage of being a planet?

"Some day, my son, this orbit will be yours."

kek

Anyway, it's not like Ego's just some random planet. I think it's more intriguing than another generic human/alien empire in the reaches of space. We just did Xandar, and I don't see Ego making it in the MU otherwise. It's neat, it's out of left field, and Gunn seems to believe in it. I'm willing to give it a shot.

...Hell of an impact, though. A living planet makes everything we have seen so far - with the possible exception of Purpleface McBargain - look puny.

>Purpleface McBargain
kek

Ego got attached to FF apparently. The film rights don't have to make sense.

It's not like Ego makes sense. He's had, like, half a dozen different origin stories.

You know, to say their Red Tornado looked so horrible that's a pretty great effect.

Yea it goes by first appearance I belive. It's why I believe Longshot and Mojo are kinda a gray area since Longshot wasn't a X-men comic and Mojo/Mojo World appeared there first.

So Mojo could appear in GotG

He could have made the Master of the Sun into Peter's father too. Makes just about as much sense as Ego.

J'son is pretty generic, though, honestly. I can understand why he'd want to go with something more out-there, especially after hyping up his father like that.

If it was J'Son, people's reaction would be, by and large, 'that's it'?

i would make j'son into ego

ego as the greatest bioweapon of spartax

a clone of a celestial based on the biological material harvested from knowhere with the mind of their king

The general rule seems to be that it goes by first appearance unless the studio specifically asked for it, like Wolverine, Sabretooth and Mystique. There are some exceptions like the Savage Land as a concept (Fox probably still has Sauron), Black Panther and the Inhumans, since presumably Marvel specifically put a clause saying they're not included since they wanted to license them seperately.

Bendis was going to run the Guardians into the shitter anyways.

Imagine how different things would've been if the trade went through.

>Daredevil doesn't headline the Netflix series
>Fox's Daredevil would've been done by Joe Carnahan, who planned to set it during the 70's and 80's.
>Galactus and Silver Surfer would've cameoed in Guardians of the Galaxy.
>Marvel would be pushing Silver Surfer and Galactus more while diminishing Daredevil along with the Fantastic Four.
>The Fantastic Four movie still would've ended up being the way it was.

Negasonic Teenage Warhead was the one reason I was able to enjoy Deadpool so much.
Fucking rock hard boner material.

If they could get back more than Ego, they would've gotten them long ago.

Annihilus was in the plans for the Fantastic Four films (sfx guy came onto Sup Forums and leaked info from the early drafts of the scripts which mentioned Annihilus, Trank said that they planned to do space bugs), there's no fucking way they could've gotten him at the time they were working out the script for GOTG2 back in 2014/2015. Filming for Deadpool was in early 2015, so they had to have asked permission to change Negasonic Teenage Warhead in 2014.

As for Kang, Trank came on Sup Forums last year and said the plan for the trilogy would have Kang in the third film. No way would Fox have given back Kang.

>Kang
>in the third film
Trank confirmed for mentally retarded.

>these things don't come in bundles. You can get Annihilus without the Negative Zone, just like you can get the Twins without Magneto or Deadpool's Bob without Hydra.

Bob was included in an in-joke way that didn't reference much about the character (other than he's married and knows Deadpool). If you didn't know the character you'd think it was just another random funny moment in the film.

The twins had some kind of circumstance that I doubt will happen again seeing as how Perlmutter got hostile and a bunch of changes kept happening (like how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were revealed not to be mutants).

Better the reaction to be mild dissapointment than for it to be: Okay, this is just way too much stupidity already. stop doing drugs and childish penis jokes.

>Okay, this is just way too much stupidity already

Not the guy you were talking to, but if anything I want it to get even dumber and over-the-top.

The first one was hyped as this weird blockbuster from the director of Sliver, but outside of a couple moments it was pretty standard fare. If it wants to make visual references to The Fifth Element and Buckaroo Banzai it needs to pay those off, and those kinds of cult movies get pretty goddamn insane.

Gunn needs to go all the way insane. I realise he's still handcuffed by the studio system, he can't actually make something as nuts as Buckaroo Banzai. But GOTG could do with getting a lot weirder then it is.

there's a reason why those movies are just cult movies, this is a summer movie, there's a point where the audience can't take the insanity anymore, if they could, everyone would go nuts with the stuff shown in comics

And again, I understand that.

But GOTG could still go a lot father and not end up in pure cult territory. Hell, Fifth Element was a traditionally released summer blockbuster that made a shit load of money.

The Fifth Element was fucking lucky.
It was the right time, with the right cast, director, writer, etc...
Having seen the trailer for that Valerian movie and learning the person making that also made the Fifth Element and Lucy its apparent now that the direct is a fucking hack and got lucky.

Does anyone else find this amusing? Fox and Marvel just switching characters off like trading cards?

>I'll give you Negasonic Teenage Warhead for that Ego the Living Planet you got
>Y-your Fantastic F-Four? Yeah... my dad took it from me. I-I'll give it back to you soon, promise
>Alright, you can use my Spider-Man. But only every other weekend okay?

What do you expect?
Fox isn't going to give them all the properties back unless its for an absurd amount of money that they know Marvel can pay because of the popularity of their films and Marvel wouldn't shell out that much money when they know they can get by without the characters. Its a greedy, jewy cycle.

>Fox and Marvel just switching characters off like trading cards?
NBC traded the rights to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit back to Disney in return for an actual living ABC sportscaster.

>we'll let you use gwenpool and we get to use doctor doom

>we'll let you use squirrel girl and we get to use doctor doom
fixed

is that why Gotham is a thing?

>we'll let you use sammy the fishboy and you let us use x-men

>is that why Gotham is a thing?
Gotham is a thing because DC are fuckwits that see Marvel making shitty tv shows and think "HOLY SHIT WE NEED SOME OF THOSE"

Why wouldn't Fox have NTW as part of X-Men? Grant Morrison owned?

Funny, I just read that arc.

They really skimped on the whole Wolverine-Solid-Snaking-through-the-club thing that one issue hyped up.