Do we agree

Do we agree

Homer's not that shitty as a dad, he honestly tries, he just have very little patience.

And he's dumb as fuck.

Lois was a good mom in seasons 1-3

That too. If anything Homer is the shittiest son on the list.

Homer's not a great husband

>simpsons
>great family
ehhh

I remember an old pre-cancellation FG episode where Peter tried to help Meg to make friends at school playing a fake student character based on Fonzie.

Peter was like a totally different character and helpful with his daughter.

Switch Homer's around.

Also Lisa is the only shit child, Bart and Maggie are both fine.

Marge is a shitty mom. She constantly tells her kids to repress themselves to the point of psychological damage.

>Linda
>Shitty Wife

Comparatively, Bob's Family has been the most consistent.

Lisa is a shitty character, but she's a great child.

Linda is GOAT house wife character, but she does do some shitty/annoying things very often like when she got upset at Bob for flirting her sister despite being entirely her idea in the first place and Bob not at all wanting to do it.

Bob put's it best. They all love each other and mean well but they're all a little terrible in their own way.

Everyone was nicer to Meg. Lois also went and got revenge on some kids at school who fucked with her.

Meg being the family punching bag wasn't a thing in pre-cancellation Family Guy. Before that, the joke was that she was just painfully mediocre.

This, to the point that when she realized she was being an asshole to her dad she made amends for it

do KOTH. I think its like BB except peggy is shit at everything

Now do the parents and kids from Rick & Morty.

Shitty everyone, but they love each other in their own unhealthy, fucked up ways?

The only "good" person in the show is Morty. Hell, Rick happily left his family to die at one point and just replaced them.

I'd also say Bobby is a good kid.
I mean he's done some asshole-ish things and his obsession with the new trend of the week really upsets his dad but overall he's a good kid. Not right, but good.

>Goes out of his way for Marge whenever he fucks up.
Granted, he fucks up a lot, but you can tell that he tries, and truly does care about Marge.

Lisa is a shitty character and an off and on shitty child. She's not constantly shitty like Bart, but at her worst she can reach similar levels.

Depends, 80's era Homer was a shitty husband and shitty dad. He was more a of downtrodden and overworked head of the household that had no time for Marge and a very short temper and tolerance for Bart and Lisa's bullshit. Most of his screen time is just him being pissed off at the kids.

90's era Homer was the most well developed Homer, he frequently between hard decisions, either putting his own happiness over his family or putting his family's happiness and interests first. He was an idiot with good intentions.

Early 2000's Homer is pretty spot on.

Late 2000's and present day Homer is barely a husband or dad, he's just there to do the choke gag on Bart and to say "D'oh!" And to be an lolrandumb idiot.

Are you caught up? Character development has happened.

Rick turned himself in to the Galactic Federation so his family could go home instead of living as fugitives.

Also, I'd say Summer cares about Morty at the very least. And Beth and Jerry are trying. The problem is, everyone on the show is extremely damaged.

No I am not caught up, so I am not looking at that spoiler.

And he's constantly drunk
and he's emotionally distant to everybody unless something he likes is involved
and he's left his kids in the middle of dangerous places multiple times
and he might be a communist porn star
...
Y'know what, I'm going to just sit down and shut up now.

Good call, then. Holy shit, I love that show. I caught up and then rewatched the whole thing.

which era was the bart the daredevil ep?
Or when Homer first gets the safefty iunspector job?
Because those are the first times I really thought Homer would do anything, even die, for his family.

90s era simpsons, Most of the good shit is during that time with a few good episodes sprinkled in the early 2000s.

Here comes a new challenger!

How about mid 2000s Homer

Hank isn't a great husband. He's not a shitty one, but he's average at best. Great Dad material for sure, even though he's so conservative he lets Bobby be Bobby. Hell, there are episodes where Hank is open-minded enough to find a reason to encourage Bobby to be Bobby.

More or less good husband and shitty dad, with alot of filler episodes of him being an idiot for the sake of being an idiot. Mid 2000s was a transition period the shitty zombified garbage we have now.

>That spoiler
Rick is still an overall shitty person, even if he has his moments.

I'd also argue Morty is slowly becoming a shitty person as well, though more subtly.

He puts up with Peggy's shit, that's enough to qualify him as a saint in my books.

don't you like spapeggy and meatballs?

I think they're all changing. Rick is becoming better, albeit slowly. Morty is slowly becoming worse, or at least less naive/innocent. Summer is becoming more confident and driven. Beth and Jerry are slowly getting better at communicating.

That said, I think the show will have a happy ending, assuming it isn't just unexpectedly canceled or something.

>Marge
>great wife great mom
I'll agree with great wife, maybe even best wife in my book for putting up with Homer's complete shittiness as a husband, but she's a terrible mother
the kids aren't saints in any way, with Bart being the worst hellion ever conceived by Satan's fiery seed, but the only one she gives a shit about is Maggie, and that's because she isn't old enough to go to school yet
Lisa is pretty much a blank spot on her radar, and when she does notice her, it's usually after Lisa has given up on getting any attention at all, or to nag at her for daring to talk about something she (Marge) doesn't understand
Bart is a terrible kid, sure, but he didn't become that way because of her excellent parenting skills, she basically lets him get away with murder (or nags him for acting like a kid) and just tries to shift the blame and work onto Homer for anything bad happening
at least she tries to be an average mother for Maggie, but to be honest, it's probably because she's the only thing she has left before she finally loses it and gets arrested by Wiggum for trying to abduct the Nahasapeemapetilons' octuplets

No.
Homer is shitty on all accounts but genuinely loves him family and comes through when it matters.
Marge is a great wife and mom, it's really her only character most the time, the rest of her character tends to be based on how little character she has the rest of the time.
The Kids vary. Lisa has the over, Bart has the under. Maggie is rarely relevant but she has saved the Family on several occasions so I guess she's the best.

All the Family Guy characters are shitty on all accounts. Before the show was shit they were pretty much the same as the Simpsons except Stewie was genuinely evil.

The Belchers are a pretty good family with foibles that cause conflict but in the end they're a mostly compatible family. The only time they're really shit is when they're just flagrantly inconsiderate of Bob despite how easy it would be to just not be a dick for a relatively short amount of time.

>The only time they're really shit is when they're just flagrantly inconsiderate of Bob despite how easy it would be to just not be a dick for a relatively short amount of time.
That's most episodes though. Hell most of the time it seems like Bob's kids are actively sabotaging the family business like they're immune to homelessness or something.

Peggy may be an annoying know-it-all at times, but she always try to be on the side of good and is dedicated as hell to her husband and son.

And she's not supposed to be smoking hot or anything, but she can be attractive in an average housewife kind of way and is way more capable as an individual than Minh or Nancy, who are basically trophy wives who have pretty much nothing to offer outside of their looks, which are going to fade when they all get old and wrinkly in a few years anyway.

Peggy will be an awesome grandma.

>That episode where Louise fucks up bobs chance with the community garden.

>Shitty Husband Shitty Dad
>Great Wife Great Mom
>Great Kids Powerful Family

Peggy is a decent wife and mother

She's just a shitty everything else

>Ruined Bobby's Thanksgiving meal because she was mad he was actually good at something she sucked at.

>good mom

Not saying she never fucked up, but ruining a Thanksgiving meal is standard sitcom shit.

i'd say he's a lot better a dad than he is a husband

To be fair, Goku was at least thinking of the bigger picture. He knew that he wouldn't be around to protect the Earth forever, and whenever the next big threat showed up, he needed someone who could take over.
Still a shitty father and husband (with no real excuse in Super), but at least he had a reason at one point.

there is literally no reason to put Linda as shitty wife/nice mone

she is either shitty or nice at both, there isn't any difference in her character relationship with Bob/children

I'd put Chichi in ok wife and ok mom at best

>alright kids
>not boy ain't right
You had one job and you dun goofed.

Out of all the kids in Bob's Burgers which one is the least shittiest? I would have to say Louise considering one is just stupid and the other one is just autistic and awkward to watch.

She's has literally had people almost killed, or had their lives ruined out of pettiness or stupidity, Homer included.

Lisa is a disgusting monster of a human being. Bart's only time of nearly killing Homer was a prank gone wrong, other than that he tries to make amends or do right when he notices he does wrong. Maggie has outright saved her parents lives several times.

Well yeah, Louise is a future diabolical movie villain. We just get to see her years before she gets to her full potential.

Anything the Belcher kids do can be blamed on them being kids. They're at worst short sighted

Peggy is a great mom actually, it's her one redeeming feature.

This. She's a good mom, she's just terrible at pretty much everything else despite how much she lies to herself.

I remember an episode where Meg comes home from school and Peter asks her about how cheering try outs went. Very strange to compare it to newer episodes and that's really sad.

I was trying to figure out how this would be for American Dad, but it seems impossible.

Francine is always a great wife and a great mother, but everyone else always flip flops
Stan is either an amazing father who loves his children and a dedicated husband, but sometimes he'll hate Steve and Hayley and fuck over Francine.

More recently it seems like he accepts his kids, and it's debatable if they're good kids or not. But it's certain they're a good family.

Francine is spot on, and yeah Stan is very bipolar(enough that it leaves him as average overall, albeit slightly leaning towards bad), Steve is a good son for the most part, and Hayley is honestly a pretty crappy daughter in most episodes

18 is best mom and wife. She may be hard on Krillin but she keeps pushing him to do better.

Chichi is a good mom but an okay wife. Damn bitch let your husband and son save the world or else nobody is getting a college education!

Lisa only cares for Lisa. Anytime someone succeeds at something, she'll either be jealous or be against it, and they always give it up for her sake.

No we don't agree.

Marge is a shit wife and mom. She turned Homer into the cops multiple times (I'm counting the FBI snitching) and to me that's the worst thing your partner can do to you. It's the equivalent of telling Nazis your family is in the attic. Unless they killed someone you don't do that shit.

Marge also is a bad mom, telling her kids to not be themselves if it conflicts with her own beliefs which are more often than not misguided and outdated.

Lois is a shit wife, cheating on Peter multiple times and a mother that's have her children taken away from her. (Oh wait that happened)

Bob is the best husband ad father though, I definitely agree with that. He may not always like what his kids do but he always supports them. Same with Linda. It's a nice change of pace to see good parents in a fox cartoon and still have it be a funny show

It's pathetic how much she lied to herself. She's completely delusional. I know a lot of people lie to themselves more often than normal but gas anyone ever met someone THAT delusional?

ChiChi is a terrible mother, she turned Gohan into a total dork, she infested him wid book learnin'

a half-sayain read SO MANY BOOKS that his eyesight deteriorated, she did that to a sayain, and then he stopped training, and became a weird-ass super hero cosplayer.

you just don't do that to someone you love, man.

now gohan has written a book that teaches normies how to manipulate ki and earth's collective power level is going to grow exponentially until even random lazy teenagers are as powerful as krillin

I don't think that is how it works. I once read a book about fencing, I cannot into swordplay

Bulma and Trunks make more and better science than Gohan ever could, even if he studies his entire life, because his father and mother, family in general are not that smart people, he never inherited any smarts, he will always be average in that field and he's only there because Chichi forced him into that life

If there was a book on how to learn and practice using magic that was proven to work everyone and their mother would work their ass to be able to do it.

Minh handles social interaction with thier neighbors in ways Khan wouldn't even consider and personality-wise is tailor made for him, while Nancy is the breadwinner in her family.

Agreed that Peggy's crazy underrated on Sup Forums.

Aside from ruining him as a great fighter, Gohan really has a good life. He's actually happy. In that case, Chichi really did the best for her son.

On the flipside, teen Gohan was the best character and having him take over for his dad was what the show was building up to.

>Homer is a shitty dad

Chi-Chi was a great wife and mother, I can't imagine another character that handles their family dying repeatedly and not coming back for years as well as she does. Not to mention she somehow does every single house chore like cooking on her own. She only wants Gohan to get that education because her husband was illiterate and the constant training only causes more aliens to be interested in Earth anyway.

Shitty parenty may have their days when they do a lot of good for you but if they're shitty most of the time they're shitty period.

Nah. Griffins are shitty everything, Belchers are great everything.

It's more than one day. Homer gave up on his dream job and has been suffering through Mr. Burns' bullshit and abuse for longer than we know all for the sake of his kids. Just because he's grouchy and dumb doesn't make him a bad dad. He does what's right.

What about Vegeta and his family?

Goku isn't a big picture guy. He just wanted sparring partners and tough kids. The closest he ever thought to protecting the world was putting Gohan up against Cell.

Early Homer was a good dad, the universe just hates his guts, he has nothing in common with Lisa, Bart is a clever hellraiser, and Homer just isn't that smart. He really tries which is more than can be said for Bart and Lisa

Nah Chichi a shit. She keeps pretending her family can ever be normal or endures normal family problems. Goku is probably the closest thing to a good dad the saiyan race ever produced

>alright kids
>not "kid ain't right"
How can you fuck up such a simple thing? You should be ashamed of yourself

Simpsons is alright.

Family Guy
>Great husband Shitty dad
>Shitty wife Shitty mom
>Shitty kids shitty family

Bobs Burgers
>Great Husband great dad
>Great wife great mom
>great kids great family

Louis is really fucked up to Peter. She even fucked Bill Clinton.

The kids in bob's burgers are the main driving force of the show.

>Peggy
She's a great wife and great mom. She's just an annoying character, but she odes her family good.

>Bobby
That boy ain't right.

>louis

Vegeta
Great Husband Great (sayan) father
Bulma
Great Wife Great Mother
Shitty (or just petulant) children
Overall Great prideful Family

There are periods where Stan flip flops between great and shitty on a weekly basis.

Also, there's a difference between the Fox Smiths and TBS Smiths

Homer is the shittiest to both he has had several episodes that can be summarized as "forgetting Marge exists"
Marge was once good but is now basically Nag to Homer and always pick Lisa as right
The kids use to be good as well but went mouthpiece and stupid respectively.

Peter is spit on.
Louis cheated on Peter at least 3 times and he only knows about one of them, on top of that she has out right hurt Peter against his will for pleasure on several occasions
kids is spot on

Bob is spot on
Linda is a pretty good wife overall just overeager in helping Bob that said I say she is subpar Wife, not shitty
The kids should be Subpar as well because they work like those Soursweet candy commercials where it seems for every bad action they take they try to do good as well.

Nope.

Vegeta
>Alright husband, terrible father

Bulma
>Great wife, great mother

Trunks
>Alright kid

Future Trunks
>Great Kid(Sometimes a bit needy)

Overall horrible family unit. Mostly Vegeta's fault due to his high sodium levels about Goku.

>Sometimes a bit needy

I like how we're writing off, a child needing his father and his father's manchild bestfriend to help save the future, as needy.

>terrible father

How is making Trunks suck him off not terrible?

he tries his damned hardest though and considering how he lived and grew up its pretty amazing. notice that the end of any Lisa episode where shes crying and complaining he always manages to cheer her up. Hell he didnt even cheat on Marge with the woman that was literally PERFECT for him while Marge fantasized about cheating him on him in another episode. Homer truly loves his family and wants whats best for them thats why people in the community really like him even though hes a complete idiot sometimes. Homers entire saving grace is that he constantly does whatever his family needs of him and loves them despite whatever bullshit may go down.


>the episode she sabotaged Bobby because he cooked better than her

yeah nah

He chokes his 10 year old son

Lois is not even a great anything anymore. Literally every character on FG has gone to shit. And with the Simpsons the only remotely likeable members of the family left are Marge and Maggie and one of them doesn't even talk.

>Marge is a bad mom because she tries to instill her own beliefs in her children
In what sense is that not the definition of raising them?

I agree with the rest of the post but goddamn that's a dumb sentence

>louis

Those are Seasons 1-2 when Homer was still just Generic Sitcom Dad. He didn't really become the Homer we all know until Season 3.

Marge is a terrible person though.

Scully era Homer was just shit though.

>rude LOLsorandumb idiot who gets a new job every episode and goes on wacky adventures with Bart serving as Deputy Droopalong.

not to mention when she let Bob be robbed multiple times and lose tons of money just so she could fulfill her musical fantasy

Then there was that time Bart made Homer so angry that it actually saved his life for some reason? I can't remember exactly, it's post season 9 I think

I Am Furious Yellow, but most people just remember that one for Stan Lee.