How did he do it? How did Stalin beat Hitler? Was he simply the better man? Discuss

How did he do it? How did Stalin beat Hitler? Was he simply the better man? Discuss.

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He had more troops to throw at the meatgrinder that was Eastern Front

the soviet union is smarter than people give them credit for, operation uranus, battle of kursk, and operation bagration were all major battles. plus having more soldiers and better equipment makes a big deal too.

Hitler underestimated the reserves of the Red Army and the industrial capability of the USSR, but to be fair no one outside the leaders of the USSR in 1941 knew the about it.

He had more men. And will to kill as many as needed for victory. Future generations will curse him, though, because without him Russia would've about 200-250 millions of people living in it.

Basically this.

>how did the side with more manpower, bigger armament industry/production, infinitely better logistics and better fighting morale win

gee I don't know? maybe because had more soldiers, better soldiers, more weapons/equipement and more supplies at hand

Communism is the ultimate redpill, we must seize the means comrade.

he had more soldiers
he had a russian winter
he had huge support from usa
he had better moustache

The same way ISIS is being beat right now. Hitler made too many enemies and took over more than he could control in so little time.

>better soldiers

You have just awakened that naziboos

better yet, why doesn't Sup Forums collectively hate Stalin with a passion for preventing Hitler from winning and achieveing these grills for all men?

The Red Army was just all around more competent in every way compared to the nazis. The nazis only made significant gains during Operation Barbarossa, when they had the numerical advantage over the Red Army.

The thing about the eastern front is that kill statistics don't actually indicate how good the armies are at fighting. The nazis considered slavs subhumans and any Red Army soldier that was captured would be shipped off to concentration camps and exterminated. That's why the kill ratio is artificially inflated in the nazis' favor.

If you think about it, the nazis were nothing but a bunch of jumped up street thugs whereas the red army was a highly competent and professional fighting force. It was the soviets who basically invented mechanized combined arms warfare back in the 1930s and perfected it during the great patriotic war. Late war soviet operations made the blitzkrieg (which was never a coherent doctrine to begin with and only ever worked out of sheer luck) look like a child's game in scale, logistics, and tactics. Red army soldiers were dedicated, tenacious, and highly motivated. After all, they were fighting to secure their right to exist against a genocidal fascist regime.

It didn't hurt that the Red Army was also technically superior to the nazis. When the nazis were invading the USSR with bolt action rifles and czech light tanks, the soviets had T-34 and KV tanks and ppsh machine guns, even late war nazi Tiger and Panther tanks fell flat against stalin tanks and T-34/85 tanks.

After Barbarossa the great patriotic war basically consisted of the red army persuing the nazis at a leisurely pace all the way to berlin.

Nice bait, leaf

>genocidal fascist regime
A fucking leaf

>the red army was a highly competent and professional fighting force.

People were literally dragged out of their homes and pushed into front lines. Every second old person remembers this.

>what is conscription
wow

>better soldiers, more weapons/equipment

reminder that stalin literally just threw millions of half-trained serfs at the nazis to the point where as one serf fell another would pick up his gun because even with germany's lend-lease they were nowhere near equipping everyone

The difference is they didn't send children to fight and die when the war was clearly lost, like the nazis did. Their cause was just, and therefore victory belonged to them.

Huge manpower
Also when he tried to play Supreme General and failed he realised his mistake and let his actual Generals do their job
Hitler on the contrary...

youtube.com/watch?v=afq6Bm_mq3Q

communists had better music,that's why.

>Facts are bait
>muh hitler
Fuck off to stormfront please

>American oil
>Zerg rush

> to the point where as one serf fell another would pick up his gun
People still believe this?

KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE

>How did he do it

by kicking out every single kike from his government

>More troops
>Winter lmao
>Single front for USSR (relative to Germany's scenario)

Had the western front never become a front then he may have had a chance, but that's only if Hitler could have successfully unified Europe.

This is woefully incorrect. Soviet production grossly overshadowed Nazi Germany's production (granted Allied bombings helped). And even without the bigger production, USSR could deliver supplies to their troops because their supply chains were infinitely shorter. If you read up on WWII logistics you'd see that both Japs and Germans would eventually run out of resources to fight a total war, while Allies had a seemingly infinite supply of resources.

As for the "throwing millions of serfs" bit, these stats were mostly inflated in early phase of the Eastern Front campaign and in battles like Leningrad, Sevastopol or Stalingrad. Most other fronts had roughly equal kill-counts until the Russian counter-offensives.

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Nazis thought they were big shots with their Blitzkrieg amateurism going up against an "army" purged of its officers
Until Stalin was forced to bring over actual Generals from the east to take over the command from the political comissars and they showed the Germans how actual Deep Battle and encirclement looks like

The Germans heavily underestimated the manpower of the Soviet Union and failed to prepare plans for a worst case scenario should the invasion fail.
German reserves were sapped quickly and they over-extended themselves along the Eastern Front.
The Russians had also abandoned their original fortifications in 1939 when they occupied Eastern Poland and were thus less prepared for a possible confrontation with the Germans.

German logistics was also severely lacking and winter only worsened the situation.
Germany and its allies entered Russia with only 4,000,000 soldiers and the Russians quickly surpassed that number massively.

Combine that with the fact that the Russians were receiving massive shipments of food, boots, vehicles, and other equipment from the Americans and British and you can really see why Hitler lost.

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>Better soldiers.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

They were basically sub-human. Every top 100, seriously like every top100 chart of every aspect was German.

>Baiting this hard

Really dude? Disgusting.

>seriously like every top100 chart of every aspect was German
Except the military command that got outmanouvered by literally everyone and was unable to close a battle even with a clear advantage

Hitler and the Axis basically never had a chace anyway, the war was not going to end well for them in any case, but yes Stalin was a better man than Hitler.

There was like 3 Superpowers against them, and they almost won dude.

lol.

>they almost won
lol no they didn't come close

>People were literally dragged out of their homes and pushed into front lines
>implying hitler didn't do the same

Germans regularly used the hitler youth as a fighting force.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm

>believing Call of duty

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ice is super effective vs Dragons

You're delusional if you think there was ever a point that Hitler was actually winning at any time. There's a reason he only occupied all that territory for a few years.

Any good documentaries about Stalin vs Hitler?

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Pablo gets it

They were crap on the tactical level, there is no need to lie about that, it doesnt make their soldiers less good
>Fail to capture the fleeing allied troops on Dunkirk
>Fail to win in Africa when the Brits were collapsing everywhere
>Fail to siege Leningrad properly for THREE YEARS
>Fail to reach Moscow when the Russian army was collapsing like a card tower
>Fail to defend Normandy and throw the allies back
>Fail to close the encirclment on Market Garden
I could go on all day

You think Germans would have made so many babies in 70+ years ?

Oh my god you fucking Canuck

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russia expanded the way it is so they can survive wars of attrition

failed to break the USSR encirclement of Stalingrad.

Seriously, the germans hot taught a lesson by the Soviets.

The germans couldn't capture Moscow even thou they destroyed 90% of the Soviet forces on the eastern front in the begginibg of Barbarossa

Stalin was saved by FDR's Lend-Lease, he just zerged Hitler's superior army and STILL almost lost. Stalin was a retarded Jew bastard who just betrayed the other Jew bastards and got power, Lenin was another Jew bastard supported by an (((international banker))) so taking over Russia wasn't hard, all those filthy fucking kikes played life on easy mode.

FPBP

>failed to break the USSR encirclement of Stalingrad.
I was only pointing out failures from a point of tactical advantage
Dont get me started on strategic blunders, they just got everyone asleep and quickly occupied Europe, then actually believed themselves that they are the absolute master race and got destroyed from their arrogance
The German military brass were not half as good as Soviet British or American

>he had more soldiers
y
he had a russian winter
y
he had huge support from usa
n
he had better moustache
this is fucking y!

>he just zerged Hitler's superior army
>just zerged
Yes this is what happened
The massive encirclements that took place in all over the Eastern Front was "just zerg"
The German stuff was Hindu-LARPers aside from two generals, this is why the Imperially trained Russians wiped the steppe with them

So much inferiority complexes by Southern European muslim rape babies, the worst fighters of this continent
>Inb4 we wuz Spartans and Romans and shiet

>Stalin was saved by FDR's Lend-Lease,
Lend Lease only reached the front after the battle of Stalingrad.

Soviets fought the Barbarossa and pushed the germans out of Moscow without lend lease

>and STILL almost lost.
No, not in any possible way. Even if USSR lost Moscow and the germans somehow killed/captured the 1.5 million soviet soldeirs around Moscow, the USSR would retreat to the urals.

Why are so many norwegian stormfaggots?

Everyone is taking the bait....

>he had a russian winter
Are Soviet soldiers born with +5 cold resistance?

>he had huge support from usa

Neither reached USSR until after the battle of Stalingrrad

see pic related. How does it feel like to get beaten by everyone around you?

>muh aryan master race

I know one or two historical figures who would disagree

Some of the reasons stated.

Also - Hitler was saddled with the old aristocratic Germany army. The officers of which tried to kill Hitler in July 1944.

Russia had a revolution and was able to remodel the Red Army as needed. Also, any high officer whose loyalty Stalin doubted was purged by 1937. This is widely criticized in the west for being unfair, leaving Russia without leadership etc., but Stalin never had his top officers place a bomb under his chair like Hitler's did.

Back to back World War losers. Women raped by drunken Vatniks. Trap Aesthetics. Nihilist Culture.

Germany stopped being great in the 1890s and has since turned into the manufacturer or shitty art, philosophy and feminine men.

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>leaving Russia without leadership etc
Most of the top brass was Imperially trained anyway, and they did pack a lot of both talent (Zhukov) and experience (Vasilevsky)
Those guys beat the other half of the Russian Imperial generals on the Russian civil war so they were not exactly clueless
The massive failures on the begining was just Stalin trying to LARP supreme generalissimo until he realised that he was shit and let them do their job

>Stalin beat Hitler

They would have starved to death four times over if it weren't for the USA and UK.


Not saying they didn't have the Nazis on the run eventually, but that's like asking how did Romney start the AltRight.

The Nazis actually had an advantage, and could have won the war if Hitler wasn't so fucking autistic.

When Nazi Germany occupied Belarus and Ukraine, they had a manpower advantage.

Hitler was so fucking autistic he decided to execute the men, and relocate the women instead of conscripting them. The Germans had an opportunity to win, but the tossed it out the window.

>They would have starved to death four times over if it weren't for the USA and UK.
source?

>and could have won the war

how?

>how?
By not being a complete retard on every step of the way

Shouldn't have worded it like that, he could have won the Eastern Front if he used other satellite states/members of the soviet union to increase their manpower. They only started doing it in Poland when the Reds started beating them back after they realized they fucked up.

>how?
By not being an autist with his untermensch and ubermensch shit and actually liberating russians from Stalin.

Ah yes he was a real charmer on the occupied nations
Trully winning the hearts of the people

Stalin was an alpha, Hitler was a beta

Better logistics.

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Stalin knew how to raise his children.

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>Zhukovs grandaughter lives in Athens
I have to find her

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>(((Yaron Steinbuch)))