Why are so many of you NatSoc? I can understand the Nationalism, but socialism, even the "socially, not economically" version I've seen proposed, doesn't seem like the best system.
I propose Libertarian Nationalism. Think of it as a militantly libertarian movement. Unforgiving, and unapologetically libertarian.
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No one else?
>Libertarian Nationalism
That's an oxymoron, moron.
Libertarians are open border fags.
>Unforgiving, and unapologetically libertarian.
Because that's awful. It's the flip side of marxism: an autistic jewish materialist philosophy that recognizes no values beyond economic and is pragmatically retarded.
Anarchist Nationalism would be an oxymoron, but libertarians generally just want social and economic freedom. This would be militantly protecting these things.
Hence why nationalism. America first, closed borders. Not to mention a libertarian society would naturally purge the shit races because they would have to work and be a general net positive to the country in order to survive. See the first 150 years of this country
Fascism is supposed to be unique in every nation, according to their tradition and culture. But stormfags want to just copypaste the German version.
Why?
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Because i'm a fascist
Despite Sup Forumss hatred for socialism it can do great things when applied properly in a decent and responsible country.
>libertarian
You'll grow up one day m8, we all do
Is that picture small enough bud?
Because /pol hates nigger and Jews and most want genocide deep down and thin National Socialism is the best past to get there.
Funny thing is, Islam is a much quicker rout for the USA.
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Anyone who is "NatSoc" or "Southerner" is part of the LARP/CosPlayer fantasy contingent attacted by this site i.e. SteamPunk, MLP and /k/
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So will you m8
I guess I can still be considered a Natsoc. Nationalism is a Definite for me but I'm only Socialist for the Economy, Focusing on Employment and Worker's Rights, Selling a lot of Government Land to Corporations, and Ending Corporate Welfare. Still like the idea of Huge Tariffs and Exit Taxes.
Thanks for noticing me m80, stay absolutely /salty/
Hail Victory!
You want the redpill?
Cause I'll give you the redpill
OP, tell me how this video makes you feel
nationalism requires a strong state too offset capitalist greed and capitalist fueled degeneracy. kikes would just brainwash people using the media and education system and you'd end up in the exact same position.
>South Africa
Life is a team sport, and your team is decided for you at birth due to human nature. Hence the nationalism and ethnicity and culture being indistinct.The "socialism" part of national socialism referred not so much to government ownership of property but rather the belief of the people that their countrymen are part of their shared struggle just as their brother and sister or cousins are. If the nation is a proper nation, which is to say that it is ethnically homogeneous, then why would you not be a nationalist socialist, since your countrymen are essentially (and ultimately) family.
I'm fairly redpilled, but America was VERY libertarian for about 100 years(before the federal reserve was founded) and things were arguably great
Eventually the system will just swing back, you need a solid foundation with a radical swing, look at former commie countries
So how can you make a libertarian society work when each ethnic group votes for their own interest at the expense of everyone else?
A nation with multiple ethnic blocs is like a beast with 5 heads. Each head is trying to walk a different direction
For example, the Hispanic immigrants we're bringing in don't value freedom at all. They erect far left governments everywhere they live
but that's why the Nationalism. It's a militant defense of the libertarian values. If you don't agree with these values, get out. Love it or leave it
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Libertarianism atomizes people
Let me explain my reasoning:
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People like to rp.
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No
Libertarianism is essentially an individualistic idea while Nationalism is a collectivist idea.
You can't have a nationalist state where the Individual comes first.
>mfw german while you're not
kys burger
The individuals RIGHTS, militantly guaranteed by the government, come first.
Values
over
Individuals
Nationalist socialists went from 33% unemployment to 0.37% in 6 years. 0.37% is the lowest unemployment rate any society has ever achieved in the history of humanity.
Currency based on output instead of debt is superior, Germany went from one of the poorest nations in Europe to the richest in less than a decade. Furthermore, the innovation rate of the Nationalist Socialists was the highest of any society in the world. Most modern technology prototypes were invented by the nazis.
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You take a salmon out of a stream in California and dump him in the Hudson river. As he dodges floating garbage, ask yourself: is he the lesser?
In his new environment, the water is different. The fish are different. The seasons are different. Everything is different. His entire way of life is gone. He'll likely never be able to connect to his fellow fish in a natural way ever again. He'll have a hell of a time reproducing with no other fish around. Do you think a salmon is capable of feeling loneliness?
We are not free floating entities totally disconnected from our environment. Each of us is adapted and raised into a certain environment and a certain way of living. If any of us is removed from our environment, we are the lesser for it.
Take a German accountant out of the Weimar Republic and drop him in Ancient Egypt. Now ask yourself: is he the lesser? First of all his skin will burn if he steps outside. He doesn't speak the language. No one around him shares his values. The streets are full of horse piss. He'll never be able to connect to his neighbors in a natural way. He can't even reproduce with any assurance that his genes won't be washed away by the bulk mass of the population.
The fundamental unit of humanity is not the individual, it is the tribe. Unlike the individual, a tribe can live forever. A tribe can grow to be infinitely powerful. Most importantly a tribe can defend against the overwhelming might of other tribes.
And you can see this in people. They naturally associate themselves with others like themselves. This is why a government should be a community, maintain and insist on community values and standards. Not only to maintain birthrates, but also to maintain the society that these people want to live in.
Libertarianism on the other hand is just a hodgepodge. If a biker gang wants to breeze into a conservative christian community, drinking, partying, shitting up the place, they would be free to do so.
The American Dollar was originally gold backed, not debt backed, which every economist in history that matters agrees, gold is the most sound form of money, period.
As for the unemployment, how was this done? Compulsory?
Actually it dropped the gold standard in 1933. The jew took control then, the implementation of the federal reserve consolidated their power roughly during the years building up to the war. No doubt the jew was afraid of the German power rising, and thus it took steps to control the USA.
Gold is an asset just like any other. There's nothing special about it
In the modern world, we can easily exchange micro units of any asset digitally
Likely the best, most stable currency would be a basket of multiple assets
Don't let history be your straitjacket
This is already happening in New Mexico. Gary Cuck Johnson, being the libertarian faggot he is, allowed a bunch of illegals in NM a path to citizenship. The result? Spics turned the state bluer and bluer and libertarianism will never see the light of day in NM.
BRAVO GARY
but the community could band together and give the biker gang an ultimatum of leaving or adapting. They would have that right and the means to do so with firearms.
Just because you have the freedom of movement, doesn't mean the place you move to will accept you without a fight.
I am Nat-Com
California was a pretty reliable red state before Reagan's amnesty.
Nowadays 70% of schoolchildren in California are hispanic
The average age of a white person in CA: 56
The average age of a hispanic in CA: 6
Wrong.
Exactly what I'm saying.
That christian community is the nucleus for a mini-nation.
They have the right to uphold community standards, and insist on their values, principles and beliefs
A nation is the same way.
That's why this country didn't want a central bank. That was one of the, if the not THE main reason for the revolution. The colonies had a form of currency they were using themselves, but the British Crown made that currency illegal forcing them to use the currency from the British National Bank.
California is pretty fucked. I've lived in the true Norther California (50+ miles north of Sacramento). Used to be mostly white, slowly, but surely, everyone is turning into a darkie.
>Because that's awful. It's the flip side of marxism:
The 'flip side' of Marxism is fascism.
>an autistic jewish materialist philosophy that recognizes no values beyond economic
Which 'values' are not reducable unto property rights?
>and is pragmatically retarded.
How so?
but what if a town formed with their own life style? As long as they didn't negatively impact any other towns, or stood against the libertarian values of the country, what would be the problem?
The underlying problem remains though. In a nationalist system the rights of individuals come second to the needs of the state, or the people.
Nationalism is a collectivist idea, there can be no individual right that comes before the national idea.
Why? How do you allocate resources without prices? Do you support central banking?
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Are we just going to ignore this
>property rights is childish
>wahhh, where's my gibs-me-dats!? Muh equality!
Kill yourself.
depends on the definition of nationalism you use I suppose. The definition I would be using is more inline with patriotism.
Belief in the founding principles of the nation and national exceptionalism.
Maybe since I'm unaware of the founding principles of Germany I'm missing something here, but America was founded on the ideas of individual freedom and liberty.
>nationalism requires a strong state too offset capitalist greed
Kill yourself, parasite. We should just deport or kill Jews.
>but what if a nation formed with their own life style? As long as they didn't negatively impact any other nations, or stood against the natsoc values of other nations, what would be the problem?
You're literally arguing for natsoc on a miniature scale
Let's say you were a young couple, and wanted to raise you child in a conducive environment
What requirements would you have?
Here's a list:
>Protection from external threats. Wild animals, invading armies
>Community standards. Nobody having sex in the streets, or proffering drugs on the streetcorners
>Proximity to other similar families. Kids for your child to play with and go to school with
>Healthy environment. Minimal chance of being poisoned by the food or chemicals in the air
So if this is what you want, you need to move to a place that forcibly bans all these things.
This used to be what a nation was. A tribal group where people could raise children in safety and ensure the future of your people.
This is what is meant by culture, community, identity....etc.
Just letting people do whatever they want sounds good, but in reality this isn't what people want or need
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Yes, you can, faggot; just restrict individual citizenship to people of one ethnic group.
I mean a universal kind of nationalism, a principle of the nation comes first. It's collectivism or altruism if you wanna go deeper. Individual life is always offset by collective life.
If it comes to the benefit of the group your individual rights don't matter, in very basic terms. Has nothing to do with founding principles.
I fail to see how a collectivism vs. individualism argument has anything to do with race? Pretty sour attitude btw.
but there would be communities/towns/cities that would offer these things. There could be a town of devout Catholics that each live out their beliefs everyday, and to become a part of this community you would need to join their way of life, or be ostracized.
Alternatively, there could be a community of dyed haired nudists.
As long as one of these communities didn't try to impose their lifestyle on the other, what would be the problem?
What if one community grew very large and infringed on another?
What if one community wanted water-rights to a river upstream from another?
This is how wars are started
America was VERY libertarian until the 50s/60s when things started to change. When Pearl Harbor happened, or even 9/11, you can see how we banded together, as a NATIONAL, to protect yourself and what we believe/stand for. Even with individual freedom, a nation can still collectivize to protect itself when needed.
Not every Nationalist is a National Socialist. It just means you you want a your nation to have a nation state
Libertarianism is by default nationalistic moron
Natcap is what you want
That's when the militancy of Nationalism would step in to make sure that one didn't infringe on the other.
>National Capitalist
>National Liberal
>National Libertarian
We need to name ourselves
I understand what you're saying
You're saying we should have a diverse range of communities, so everyone has something for themselves
Welcome to federalism
Obviously these communities have to have a certain degree of similarity, or else their needs are incompatible and they can't be under the same federal system.
This is sort of how America was I suppose. Irish enclaves, German enclaves. Working class areas, rich areas.
The thing is, libertarians are trying to tear down the borders of separation between communities and just saying, everyone can do whatever they want everywhere.
This egalitarian streak comes from a certain group of people, a group of people that was also heavily involved in the foundation of libertarian thought
I think you know exactly who I'm talking about
and I should clarify that this capitalism should be allowed to compete with and take advantage of the rest of the world, unrestricted
>mfw I have my great-grandfather's discharge papers and immigration records from Austria for every generation of my ethnically homogeneous neighborhood all the way to me.
get raped (not that you weren't going to anyways in South Africa)
>America was VERY libertarian until the 50's and 60's
Was it though? I know this is a narrative spun in libertarian circles, but is it actually true?
Well in terms of economics, I'd say you're right. But in terms of social issues you're totally wrong.
Most classrooms started by reading a bible verse up until the 60's when it was banned. Puritan laws were commonplace. Absolutely no profanity, sexually explicit material, or anything of that sort was allowed at all. Of course homosexuality was explicitly illegal
The family was considered the fundamental unit, rather than the individual. When a man was killed on the job or in a war, his vote went to his wife or closest female relative. It was assumed that he was voting as a representative of his family unit.
But Libertarian Nationalism would be marrying these two schools of thought. Just because libertarians are traditionally open borders doesn't main LibNat is. That's what I'm saying.
It would be love it or leave. End of story
but weren't the social laws local? Not state or federal, but according to each town/city?
>mfw when you're talking shit
kys burger
The Whig party is what youre looking for.
>mfw you're a yogurt salesman
I'll have a cone with a scoop of chocolate-chip cookie dough please. I'd ask for a scoop of your pride but that's long gone.
I believe a country has a due to its people to ensure they're safety, productivity, and happiness. There is no point to a state if it does not first serve the nation that built it.
One that can stare at another man of his own blood and not call him brother is not a norm I'd like to accept.
Wtf are you on about fatass? Have to change the topic because you can't prove it?
Does that really matter? What matters is the laws were there, laws libertarians hate.
Let me tell you what convinced me of socialism:
In the future, humans will become obsolete. Transgenderism is only the beginning.
In the future humans will:
>Be able to change their sex on the DNA level
>Be able to customize their body. Adding arms, legs, eyeballs, whatever
>Have cranial implants. Boosting memory, boosting IQ, allowing mental communication over the web.
Of course, the most economically productive people will be those who accept the artificial add-ons. These are the ones who will have the resources to reproduce and thrive, any boring old humans will be replaced.
When you prioritize economic efficiency as the foundation of your society, whatever is the most efficient will succeed. Likely the world as we know it would be subsumed by intelligent AI. Life will become silicon, wires, gears and metal.
I don't want this to happen. The end result of unrestrained capitalism is always a transhumanist nightmare.
I want humans to live on as humans.
I know Jewish intellectuals love capitalism, because of course they have the highest IQ's and easily rise to the top of any such capitalist system. In fact, the thing they all seem to be universally opposed to is ethno-nationalism, which is the one system that leaves them out in the cold
but wouldn't letting the highest IQ's rise to the top be the best for everyone? Survival of the fittest? There's not enough Jews to out reproduce whites, even with the advantage you're proposing.
Second, what would stop those in power from going all North Korea/Soviet Union/Maoist China and keeping all the wealth for themselves?
>South African acting superior to anybody
>doesn't deny the allegations
I'm still waiting on my froyo "Hans"
Some IPs from Belgium and Denmark show up as "Europe" or "Unknown".
Why are you sperging out here? Do you think that if you start spouting random nonsense that we'll forget about you talking rubbish? Get a life kid. Either produce the papers or don't.
>Why are you sperging out here
Yeah, because there's so many South African flags that visit EVERY NatSoc thread.
Papers will require a while, let me look through my father's den.
Jews are easily the most economically productive people on earth. However they have some flaws.
If you're jewish, I mean no offense.
Jews have rates of mental illness much higher than the general population. They have all sorts of genetic diseases and maladies: bad eyesight, short, bald, lots of allergies....etc.
Jews are more intensely emotional than the stereo-typically calm gentiles. They also have a tendency to broad, revolutionary ideologies that overturn the entire system, as opposed to pragmatism solutions to specific problems (this is called the Jewish "revolutionary spirit", much literature on this). For example, a gentile environmental activist might propose restrictions on littering. A Jewish environmental activist might want to tear down the whole capitalist system and reformulate society from the ground up to save the world.
Here's a typical interaction between a Jew and a Christian. Notice the Jew is fraught with deep emotion, his high verbal IQ forging his words into weapons. While the Christian is relatively calm, reserved, short on words:
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You can see just how dangerous it is to have such a group of people in positions of power in your country. Jews are manipulative, and don't seem to have an affinity for the truth. While they might have higher IQ's, as a people they have less social trust.
Get used to them. Saffa flags are far from rare, Burger.
Here's something you might be interested in
This was probably my favorite segment these guys have done:
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Skip to 2:24:10 and listen to 2:28:00
But LibNat would, at least in America because of our founding values, naturally weed out people hungry for political power. It's about a government only having the power to defend the freedoms of it's people, both socially and economically.
Oh fug, the link got screwed up.
Here it is again:
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Skip to 2:24:10 and listen to 2:28:00
What you want is the REAL Redpill.
I'm just saying that Jews in general don't share the same values as Christians.
If you care about preserving your people and their way of life, you should fight for your interests
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I understand this, but that's why LibNat. The nationalism would be the militant force fighting for those interests.