I watched Batman vs Superman for the 3rd time yesterday

I watched Batman vs Superman for the 3rd time yesterday.

It gets better with every viewing.

It really does especially the Ultimate edition.

it's called the "kino effect"

This is a meme thread, sure, but there's not a Wonder Woman thread right now, so we should talk about that instead.

Why couldn't they just have it be able the general and Dr. Poison fucking shit up and then Wonder Woman stops them? Why did it also need to turn into DBZ at the end?

Also, why is it considered a feminist movie when Steve Trevor's mansplaining is the only reason Wonder Woman saves the day, and the only reason Dr. Poison was so good at poison is because Ares was apparently whispering in her ear secretly throughout the whole war?

Wish Faora would come back and fuck up Wonder Woman.

>Why did it also need to turn into DBZ at the end?
Because Wondy loves battle.

Yes, but her battles are coolest when it's like a martial arts slug fest with Cheetah or Circe, not flying around shooting lightning.

I'd say it's just her bigger enemies that make her use all of that extra shit. Someone like Cheetah only has claws. I'm just waiting on her to jump on Supes dick

It's pure kino and it deserved better critics.

Yes, and that's not what another DC movie needed, apocalyptic explosions every 3 seconds.

She should've like beat the shit out 200 soldiers in a well choreographed brawl while Steve blew up the plane with Dr. Poison on it or something. Ares as a red herring was a much better idea, especially with anyone who even slightly knows Wonder Woman expected him to be in it, and that would've given actual resolution to Dr. Poison, instead of her disappearing.

Pretty sure the multiframed literal on-screen exposition email character setups stay trash no matter how many times you see it.

I'd say marvel fags and casuals watched it and was disappointed that it had a more serious tone and just shat on it for no one reason. Fuck critics.

There's no point in arguing about BvS. It's been memed into infinite ironic post-opinion.

Wonder Woman is the only DC film worth discussing, but it's fading into the halfway decent Marvel movie zone of being forgotten about 6 months after release because 3 other superhero movies have come out.

Dude her and Supes are DC's powerhouses it's kind of expected. I agree with you though. JL will have MORE of that.

BvS would always be fucked.

Comic fans wanted a straight-forward adaptation of their comics and cartoons, which is just boring.
Critics wanted something akin to the older movies or MCU movies.
Normies expected just another capeshit fare in the vein of the MCU movies.

Maybe if they'd done two superman movies to actually establish some sort of character arc, with a batfleck movie in between to establish him, it would've been less of a bloated, contrived, rushed into existence piece of crap.

At the end of Wonder Woman
>I have to protect this planet no matter the cost

During BvS
>lol I guess I'll help after being 30 seconds away from fucking off and leaving Batman and Superman to die

That's fucking stupid and you only think like that because you've been influenced by the MCU movies.

If you failed to understand Superman's character arc in the movie i've no idea what to tell you.
And Batman needing to be established? Specially after the Nolan's trilogy? Seriously?

I predict it's going to be remembered as a classic masterpiece in a decade or two.

In BvS she had given up on humanity and was in hiding for years. She wanted no trouble.

Where the fuck was she during the kryptonian shit? Personally I feel like she would have been fucked.

>If you failed to understand Superman's character arc in the movie
There's to understand or not understand. He has no arc, other than to beat up villains.
>And Batman needing to be established? Specially after the Nolan's trilogy? Seriously?
When they're totally different versions? Yes. Also a totally different portrayal of a character shouldn't be colored by a preceding one helmed by a totally different creative team and tone.

It'll be the new THING.

>He has no arc

You're braindead.

>When they're totally different versions?

They really aren't. Again, you're braindead.

A decent adaptation of the dark knight returns would have been pretty decent.
Instead they tried to force in as many things possible to catch up to Marvel.

A decent adaptation of the Dark Knight Returns would piss off the Superman fanboys and set the critics and normies on the movie either way.

Why can't you not sperg out with insults and ad hominem?
You're the one calling superhero movies masterpieces.

When Bond changed to Daniel Craig did you watch Casino Royale with the thought:
>Well, I watched all the Brosnan ones, so obviously I know what to expect
?
Of course not, because that's stupid.
But I'll put it in simpler terms for you, because you sound like some youtube manchild making videos about how great Zac Snyder is while you sit in front of your shelf of action figures.

Did you watch Superman Returns and then think
>Well obviously Man of Steel won't do anything different and I know exactly what to expect
?
Because that's also stupid.
And you sound stupid.

If you can't differentiate between the tone, action choreography, performance, appearance, costume, universe, etc. of Bale Batman and Affleck Batman, then you're a fucking mongoloid, and you don't deserve to respond to anyone, ever, about anything.

These movies are just as trash as the Marvel movies you force yourself to shit on daily. If you weren't 19, you would've been bullied more in high school and you wouldn't be such a vacuum of air today.

>When Bond changed to Daniel Craig did you watch Casino Royale with the thought:
>Well, I watched all the Brosnan ones, so obviously I know what to expect

Yes, i did. They even had Judi Dench.

>If you can't differentiate between the tone, action choreography, performance, appearance, costume, universe, etc. of Bale Batman and Affleck Batman, then you're a fucking mongoloid, and you don't deserve to respond to anyone, ever, about anything.

But BvS played with a lot of expectations people had about the past Batman's movies and left in enough clues so that people could piece his story.

Let me ask you a question, did we need a movie before Taken to know how Lian's character learned all the necessary skills he had in order to save his daughter from the kidnappers? Did we need a movie showing his CIA days? How he met his agent buddies? Did we? Of course we didn't. We could piece enough about his past by the little things the movie clued us in.

Fucking braindead moron.

It's ok user your uncle can't hurt you anymore.

>comparing a stock action character to two different portrayals of the same character
>still unable to differentiate
>thinks brosnan bond and craig bond are even remotely similar

This is the typical DC fan.

It's fucking Batman, dude! Everybody knows about Batman.

And the Brosnan and Craig's Bond movies are pretty similar. They all are.

I bet if they give Batfleck an origin movie you people would be bitching about it.
>Do we need another origin movie for an already popular character?

And you've an older Batman who's coming back to the cape and cowl after he lost his partner that was named Robin. Fuck, they even went on to mention that the Wayne Manor was burned down.

If anyone here watched the Nolan's trilogy they'd see all that shit serves as slight nods to those movies.

Its garbage and Sup Forums is in the gutter. seriously.

Snyder posters should be banned

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I want to kill myself with each view.

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Anal rape hurts less with every violation as well.

No it doesnt. At least every Marvel film is fucking certified Incredible from the first viewing

>SAVE MARTHA

Will Sup Forums love Justice League for being a DC/Snyder movie or will they hate it for being directed and re-written by Joss "If you can't bone them, beat them" Whedon?

The end of Wonder Woman takes place after then end of BvS, brainlet.

Did Lex want Batman to steal the kryptonite the whole time?

Or does Lex just have endless contingency plans, referenced by the "I don't know how to lose" line?

How does this look sooooooo much better than the final WW fight ?

>swn critique your performance with cool detachment as you eagerly but clumsily attempt to pleasure her.

Is that really all that scene is to you? It really doesn't tell you anything about what Lex was planning?

4u

ok retard

E.T. and The Thing are sort of the contrast between the MCU(Disney) and the DCEU.

>E.T.
Cutesy kid's treatment of extraterrestrials that's a decent watch but a bit too shallow to fully engage an adult. Pretty much universally hailed as an instant classic by contemporary critics, but largely forgotten today and never discussed.

>The Thing
Visceral exploration of xenophobia and paranoia in the face of an extraterrestrial Other involving characters with relatable, identifiable personalities struggling for survival. Lambasted by contemporary critics for its grim, dismal tone, but now near universally recognized as a classic of its genre.

Because it was a realistic interpretation of what would happen of two nearly-invincible alien gods had a fight in the middle of a city. This is also why it triggered people. General audiences would prefer that major fight scenes are just fancy lightshows that take place in an abandoned lot where nobody can get hurt, and the bad guy gets beaten by the power of love and friendship.

In Paris. The Kryptonians were in orbit for most of the film. From the time they descended over Metropolis and activated the World Engine to the point where Supes and the military shut them down was a total of about twenty minutes realtime.

This.

Different guy here, but your Bond analogy really doesn't hold water. There are a ton of things you can go into *any* Bond film expecting:

>spy intrigue
>"bleeding edge" spy gadgetry
>identifiable support characters in familiar roles like M and Q.
>Bond's moral flexibility and pragmatic streak

All that really changes is the tone of his films from one incarnation to the next. This is equally true with the Batman, even when he's being depicted as having been traumatized by his past losses as he so clearly is in BvS. As a case in point, if you were watching a new Bond film and he said he was freelance and no longer worked for the Crown while we were shown a flashback of him dropping his credentials into M's casket, you'd immediately infer some bad shit had already gone down and(reasonably) expect that it would either figure into the current plot or a subsequent one. It is precisely this sort of thing that many people refuse to do with modern CMBs, because they've become complacent consumers of product instead of an engaged audience. There's at least one prominent company out there that doesn't give a shit whether or not you're engaged so long as you dutifully show up for the bread and circuses. I'm glad that thus far, WB hasn't followed suit.

What baffles me is, when the fuck did audience started to hate mystery?

Here's one example from comic books. One of Wolverine's biggest draws as a character for the longest was that his past was a total mystery. We knew he was a mutant and that the government did some shit to him so they could use his ass as a slave/weapon. Everything else was a blank.

But of course sometime during the 2000's readers didn't wanted that anymore and so we were given some lackbuster origin that most readers either hated or were ambivalent to it. The movies influenced that change a lot.

These days audience want everything explained, everything made a 100% clear, everything made it easy.

is BvS a deconstruction of comic book movies?
was it deliberately made to be what it was?

Yes, Lex wanted Bruce to have the kryptonite, but he wanted him to acquire it in such a way as not to arouse Bruce's suspicions and allow him to maintain the illusion of control. Incidentally, that's also why Lex was pissed about not getting the import license. Without that rubber stamp, he can't make the theft public without dirtying his own nose a bit. Lex wanted the kryptonite in Bruce's hands in a manner that let him continue to look blameless.

He also expected Bruce to lose.

That sets up his true end-game: Superman vs. Doomsday, his true win/win. Either way, he gets an "alien menace" to protect us from. Regardless of whatever other contingencies Lex had in place, Plan A went to shit the instant Clark opted to give Bruce even the slightest room to work. He didn't expect Bruce to win, and he damn sure didn't anticipate them coming out of the fight cooperating.

Thank you, based Wilkinson.

why did they get jesse eisenberg as lex luthor? he fucked it up so hard he wasn't even a superman villain, he was the riddler

I hate that Howlett origin story so much. On the flipside, I think that maybe Snyder has set up precisely the sort of fall from grace that Lucas tried to give us with Darth Vader in the prequels. I think he hints at it during the warehouse fight.

I expect to see precisely this framing in a future Batman movie, and I think this version of the Bat called Gordon's bluff.

Even as someone who thought BvS didn't deserve so much shit, this picture series of "observations" is fucking atrocious.

What's the problem with the picture? It shows the A.R.G.U.S. symbol, something Lex's people were using.

In the comics and The CW shows A.R.G.U.S. is a government agency created by the US and UN to keep meta-humans on check.

It's the delivery of it. looks like it's written by a 14 year old who thinks he's a lecturer in some college film he saw.
>Next category: CIRCLES! Round and round they go to find Superma-Mmph!
>Wrong category, boy. No, no - TRIANGLES!

>when the fuck did audience started to hate mystery?
It's become part of our culture. People don't want to experience things anymore. Before anything comes out, be it movies, TV, comics, or video games, people will suck up every bit of information they can about it. They want to know EVERYTHING, watch every clip, and interview and dissect every trailer, and there are so many sites out there willing to churn out these spoilers. They spend more time watching promo material than they do in the actual theater. Seeing a movie is no longer about experiencing it. It's about assimilating it and then blogging/tweeting about it and buying the merchandise so that people can know how much of a cool nerd you are. A movie that requires extra brain power or subverts your expectations by having a twist or leaving something unexplained is introducing a speed bump to the assimilation process. It's easier to just get angry at a movie for not conforming to your expectations, and say it sucks. And why bother trying to accept it? In a few months, there will be another homogenized comic book/pop culture movie that will likely fit very nicely into your pantheon of nerd cred with minimal analysis. Why waste time trying to understand this one?

That's just Lex being a smart-ass know-it-all trying to rub his smarts in cryptic ways.

>"I believe the straightest path to Superman is a pretty little road called Lois Lane."
I thought that line was pretty clever.

Everything about Eisenberg's Lex is fucking great. Notice the contrast in his mannerisms before and after his first scene. He's a fast-talking geek in his first scene, but he's glib, smooth, and persuasive. Every scene after that, he's a wreck, eaten alive with verbal and physical tics. He's processing the biggest infodump in human history and literally stifling himself from letting any of it out.

>hmmmmm

THANK YOU BASED WILKINSON
btw rewatched Noah yesterday, your costumes were cash af

When exactly does Lex learn the shit from the Scout Ship? I've heard allegations that it actually happens non chronologically or some shit, but I'm not so sure about that shit.

The green text looks like shit and your points are too vague. And I've made quite a few Snyder memes that get reposted here, I adore BvS, but your work is embarrassing. Take some graphic design lessons.

He goes into the fucking ship and and it literally asks him what he would like to know, and he says "Everything."

God, half of the people who support this film might be doing it sarcastically to make it seem like a super-intelligent masterpiece, but almost everyone who hates it is a straight-up moron who can't pay attention.

>It gets better with every viewing.
How do you know? There's no guarantee it won't get worse with the next viewing.

No, you motherfucking idiot. When. WHEN does he learn "Everything" from the scout ship. At what point in the movie does his scene where he ask that happen? I honestly cannot remember, and if it takes place earlier in the movie than I remember, it would explain a lot of his mannerisms during his interactions with Lois and Supes.

No.

A deconstructionist approach (imo) would want to subvert expectations while setting them up the whole time.

Instead we get the 100% expected fight by batman and superman as well as them making up and fighting the big bad guy the whole time.

It definitely happens before the bulk of his discussion with Lois and Superman. Lex doesn't actually talk to either of them all that much until the end.

Based off his wardrobe changes, he's there insanely early. That scene where we first see him entering the the ship where he's carrying the briefcase? He already has Zod's fingerprints with him. That's where he's headed - straight to the "Holy of Holies" that the ritual of methodical science would have still been "respecting."

I highly doubt that's not absolutely intentional.

Because the director is ten times more competent in every way possible.

Yes but the final fight gest worse every time.

Fuck Wonder Woman, BVS is still leagues above that.

Are the people that like it just memeimg? I watched the extended cut and it's still terrible.

So does the plane scene form TDKR

Just a reminder

Wonder Woman is a flick for the plebian masses. Get that shit out of here

I don't think that's why people disliked it. In fact MoS was more or less pretty well liked.

Imagine being so much a braindead sheep your taste is entirely dictated by an arbitrary meter on some site that is a glorified liberal stamp of approval.

Just for one second imagine that.

>a deconstruction must subvert traditions
Um, no.

>In fact MoS was more or less pretty well liked
What fucking alternate universe do you live in?

Or you get stupider.

By audiences. It has a 7.1 on IMBD and a 55% on Rotten Tomatoes. Most people I know thought it was ok.

Pretty much everyone hates BvS though by comparison.

>if you don't agree with contrarian shit taste you are a braindead sheep
are you actually trying to argue that BVS is better than any Star Wars movie? lol and I'm braindead?

Not him, but yeah, I'll make that statement. It's better than the prequels and the unimaginative derivative trash that Disney's churned out so far. Miles better in every way that truly matters.

2 things can suck at the same time.

Star Wars was just dull though. BvS was particularly bad. Those fucking guitar riffs killed it for me, I couldn't stop laughing.

kinda this

As a huge fan of DC and the original Dark Knight comic, the movie was nothing short of disappointing trash, and it deserves the shit rating that critics gave it.

i had a similar experience. Hated it at first but slowly its grown on me to the point i genuinely think its great

As a huge Marvel fan, Kevin Feige has been nothing but a tumor on film.

OK, now step back and think about how BvS basically swapped Clark and Bruce's roles in DKR, updated and expanded upon its allegorical message and managed to incorporate a Lex Luthor/Doomsday origin story set against a "Peace on Earth" background leading into Superman's death arc. And it did it *coherently*.

Agree. I thought the theatrical cut was okay, but then I liked the ultimate cut, and grew to like it more with every viewing. It's become one of my go-to movies when I'm alone and just want to lose myself in something. The cinematography and visuals are great, and the action is impressive. Every scene offers a lot for you to soak in, they all function as their own little vignettes. Jeremy Irons is excellent, sometimes I just want to watch his scenes all by themselves.

I liked how Alfred challenges Bruce, really does disapprove with literally everything he's doing, but ultimately never so much as hints that he might abandon him, just like the spiritual father that he is.

t. false flagging pajeet

Better than Wonder Woman for sure. Suicide Squad was good too, yes I said it!!