Is this good or libtard propaganda...

Is this good or libtard propaganda? I don't need it to be very historically accurate and I don't hate arabs but apparently they portray Lawrence as a homosexual which is a massive red flag.

Is it an Arabs dindu nuffin film/a Lawrence is super progressive film? I've only read the wiki article and it says he's appalled by the sykes-picot agreement as well, and they cut out him trying to get western captives released. It seems he leans more toward full arab supporter instead of the ambivalence between his two allegiances.

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>libtard propaganda
this, skip it, had to watch it in class and i left
told the professor i didnt come to college for propaganda

Why don't you watch it and form your own opinions brainlet?

Awesome movie but long as fuck. I don't remember very much politics in it. Just most Peter O Toole being based.

>I only consume media when it re-affirms my already held beliefs and viewpoints

Because I don't like wasting my time or watching libtard propaganda. I don't want to have a negative experience watching the film because I have no interest of ranting/debating about how bad it is if it sucks.

You seem like an idiot so you probably wouldn't appreciate it.

What is this meme I keep hearing. I've seen the response to a lot of threads.

> I don't remember very much politics in it.

lol

lmao user you sound so underage just don't even bother

everytime I hear a phrase like 'libtard propaganda' I can't help but imagine some fat pimply faced 17 yr old kid saying it

Is it good? YES
Is it libtard propaganda? NO
Are you a fucking retard? YES YES YES

Can someone actually discuss the film instead of trying to convince me it's libtard probaganda via its fanbase?

was it rape?

this is what is wrong with western civilization today. these kids need spoon-fed everything, even opinions. OP you should have just fucking watched it and formed your own opinions. and anyways are you scared? are your beliefs so fragile that some "libtard propaganda" would shatter them?

Well I am a national socialist who lives with my blonde aryan lover. Hans (my lover) is styled on Peter O'Tool's sexy blonde hair and boyish physic. We both jerk each other off to films of Hitler, but we never act out anal sex (that is for niggers). I love this movie so much as it shows what a blonde aryan male CAN do to arabs and sand niggers. Basically kill them and fuck up their dirty country.

No it was sexy time with the Turks.

People calling it libtard propaganda didn't get it. It's more a meditation on imperialism, without shying away from showing the Arabs' own homegrown ruthelesness.
Can't really call it liberal propaganda when most of the plot consists in Arabs killing one another.

I don't want to watch bad movies. I don't care about forming an opinion of a bad movie.

I don't think it is an 'arabs dindu nuffin" at all. It constantly shows the petty warring and conflicts between different tribes or whatever. Lawrence puts in all that work for the arabs to retake cities and control and yet all they care about is getting paid, getting guns, and fighting each other. He even calls them out for it

>thinking Lawrence of Arabia is political
It may as well have been directed by Michael Bay. There's lots of explosions and action scenes. Trust me you will be on the edge of your seat the whole movie. Right up your alley OP.

Yes that's the ideal. I'm saying apparently it isn't handled well. It seems to lead too much toward anti-imperialism, or at least Lawrence's attitudes do which isn't accurate or interesting.

Are the arabs flaws at least nuanced? I don't want them portrayed like stereotypical backwards evil nazi's but who also oppressed.

This. Don't listen to the trolls in the thread OP. A.Law is based AF

I'm sure that you're aware of the fact that Lawrence of Arabia is widely considered as one of the best films ever made, even on the "we hate everything" board that is Sup Forums, but you are looking for a single excuse for not watching it because you probably saw it's runtime and your millenial ADHD ridden opinion leeching brain simply can't handle it so you resorted to surface-level politics to come up with any excuse for a perfect film.

liberal propaganda? what? it makes a point to show that the arabs are tribal barbarians and don't really give a shit about each other

Don't watch it OP. It's very problematic and not redpilled at all.

Alright gents time to gather around for the basic gestault on Lawrence of Arabia

The director David Lean is a homosexual.

Col. Lawrence was a closetted homo and bdsm slut. At the time the movie was made this was being quashed by academics of the time. David Lean being a brilliant director made a subtle ode to a great british hero and honosexual male.

If you are a pleb you will miss it but there are scenes where otoole does a gay little effeminate dance on a train and harbors a close friendship with an arab boy. But the biggest reference is when british officers throw lawrence out of a bar for his flamboyand Arabic dress and say "we don't take kindly to your kind"

Its there and clearly intentional and the fact that most don't pic up on it is a testament to Leans subtly and nuance.

If you want a less political movie watch Bridge on the river kwai. One of my favorite movies of all time and probably Leans best work.

what is life without pleasure and pain?

>A.Law
How dare you. Jennifer Lawrence is best Lawrence.

That's good at least, they don't focus on how arabs aren't progressive and shit right?

How is Lawrence's loyalty to the west handled? is it mainly early on and then he just goes full arab or does it go back and forth? The two events mentioned in OP seem like massive missed opportunities. I don't want him portrayed as some attention whoring homo who leads the dumb arabs like something out of the last samurai.

>I'm sure that you're aware of the fact that Lawrence of Arabia is widely considered as one of the best films ever made

Means absolutely nothing to be considering the industry.

This. The movie shows the arabs chimping out at the end

>wanting to be this coddled
You're pissing me the fuck off OP. Watch the movie or don't.

There's no hope for Sup Forums

It's a good movie but I doubt you have the attention span for it anyway.

kek

Yeah i'll probably skip it. Gay directors are cancer.

Then again I think the gay theory of deer hunter isn't accurate so maybe it's just homosexuals framing everything in a gay lens.

>But the biggest reference is when british officers throw lawrence out of a bar for his flamboyand Arabic dress and say "we don't take kindly to your kind"
I thought they threw them out because they were covered in dirt
>"we don't take kindly to your kind"
They literally never say this

it gets a bit attention whoring and Last Samurai but not all the way. He has an obsession and love for the arabs and the desert in the first half. The main issue with loyalty in that first half is simply his interaction with the other british officer there and his advice and orders.

The second half focuses more on how he develops some blood lust and buys into his "image" as Lawrence of Arabia. But he eventually starts to realize that no matter what he does he will never truly be an arab or be able to help them actually set up any form of government.

Questions about what, and how heavy, an ideological message is being pushed by a movie or a TV show are not immature or plebeian. Theyre entirely valid. A lot of stuff being produced today that can't be faulted on the level of acting, design, cinematography etc. - like "Fargo", for example - is made utterly unwatchable by the inevitable massive injections of liberal propaganda.

Fortunately, I think that that is not an issue in the vast majority of movies and TV shows made before 1970. Films and TV shows were pushing an ideology back then too, of course. Colonialism and capitalism, I suppose. But from our present-day perspective of Matrix-level distortion of reality in relentless 24/7 service to the globalist-multiculti master-plan, we can see that the capitalist / colonialist subtexts of cinema in the 40s-60s period were FAR less potent and pervasive poisons and left FAR more latitude for the autonomous, purely aesthetic element in art.
A story of a homosexual Englishman leading an Arab army would be a true SJW horrorshow if it were filmed today, of course.
But all these elements had different valences 50 years ago. Homosexuality wasn't then, as it is today, one of the 57 varieties of profitable pseudo-victimhood. It was actually an aristocratic trait associated with private boarding schools and Oxbridge and placed the character who practiced it more on the side of "master" than "slave" morality.
"Arabs" too, at that time, had pretty much the opposite associations in the Western imaginary than the associations of teary-eyed, infinitely needy and vulnerable world-historical victims that they have - thanks to the BBC, CNN etc - today. Their primary associations were with pride, independence and primitive warrior virtues - which at that time people were only vaguely beginning to suspect could degenerate again into fanatical jihadism without pride or honor.
So "Lawrence", since it worked with these elements, is very watchable even if you're red-pilled.

I have a very critical eye and am quite "nitpicky" The reason I ask if it is shit is because I can't watch it, enjoy it and then have to contemplate it. I'll see exactly what they are doing and what they are going for as they are doing it, and immediate lose most of my interest if it's stupid shit.

>I'm too smart for this movie
Ok user

Not just the industry, everyone.
Critics, casuals, your favorite director, your dad, everyone.

>Are the arabs flaws at least nuanced
Short answer, yes. Long one, just watch it and get it over with. It's a great film and a classic.

>I'll see exactly what they are doing and what they are going for as they are doing it

Thanks Alex Jones.

Well why wouldn't you?

What's wrong with avoiding a movie that would have a pro-slavery standpoint?

No, I'm too smart to form an opinion.

*to

I really didn't pick up that Lawrence was gay. In real life sure, but I didn't notice it in the film.
During the rape scene, when he looks up at the perpetrator I thought that was a call back to the candle scene at the start (that he can withstand pain/doesn't let it show).
Apparently everyone else believes it's because he's gay.

>Everyone likes it bro!

Sounds like user made his own opinion.

That's because you are too much of a brainlet to pick up on the nuances of David Lean. One of the greatest directors of all time and the single greatest gay director of all time.

>greatest
>gay
pick one

The arabs seem to be portrayed well in the movie from what i'm hearing. I was worried that their flaws would be "not treating women well" and shit instead of the pettyness of their tribalism and hypocrisy of their virtues in action.

I'm sure I could make the film be more in line with me ideologically If I just view Lawrence as a bad person. This isn't really what I was hoping for. I wanted that genuine ambivalence between allegiances. not a homosexual, egotistical, traitor.

You sound really dense. Give it a skip.

>During the rape scene, when he looks up at the perpetrator I thought that was a call back to the candle scene at the start (that he can withstand pain/doesn't let it show).
same

I'm actually anti-slavery (I guess), but I would still watch that movie. Sounds fun.

Most retarded thing I've read all day, and I have been on Sup Forums for most of it

By the way, I don't know if it's been noted anywhere but the whole "Lawrence of Arabia" story, even if it's barely "libtard" at all in Lean's 1960 version, HAS been gradually sliding toward libtardism in its subsequent re-imaginings.

"Dune", it must surely have been noticed, is basically "Lawrence of Arabia" retold. And Frank Herbert's baby-boomer version of the story inevitably introduces various much more "lefty" elements: the Arabs / "Fremen" are romanticized as the "free men" that Europeans have ceased to be just as they are in "Lawrence"; but Herbert begins to lean much more heavily on the "Arabs are martyrs and victims; the metropolitan powers are coldly exploiting them for their natural resources" white-guilt-trip thing, which is much less prominent a theme in "Lawrence".

I don't know if Lynch's film of "Dune" can be said to have pushed Herbert's anti-colonial, tree-hugging version of the "Lawrence" story further toward libtardism or back in the opposite direction.

Any opinions?

user this is like your 20th reply saying the same shit. Why are you doing this?

How the fuck would it be liberal propaganda.

A deeper issue here is that Americans don't understand how to do imperialism. You sent your own sons to Korea, you sent your own sons to Vietnam, you sent your own sons to Iraq. Its embarrassing and it doesn't work. You'll rule nothing like that.

Lawrence was a classic imperial figure. Your average imperial adventurer was either gay, a paedophile or went to a minor public school. You give 'em a revolver, someone to carry their bags, a one-way ticket, twenty gold sovereigns and tell them to write back when they've conquered whatever country you sent them to. If they don't ever write back and get murdered or strung out on opium its a trouble maker out of the way, but usually they did.

Find the second largest tribe and make them take down the strongest tribe who are their traditional oppressors. The new rulers are pretty happy but at a numerical disadvantage and their former rulers, now slaves, are likely to be viciously unhappy. Send them some rifles by boat. Threaten to stop sending them rifles if they don't toe the line.

Pitting the Arabs against the Turks was classic.

And thats how you rule the world from the Foreign Office, an ornate but rather poky building. There are branches of Starbucks in DC larger than that.

Lawrence wasn't an SJW, he was pissed off because they were fucking with the formula. And he was right, we'd own the Middle East right now if we'd listened to him.

>gay people enjoy getting raped by savage Arabs
What did the greatest gay director of all time mean by this?

Don't watch it.

>David Lean is a homosexual

>Lean was a relentless womaniser. He was married six times and had many mistresses. His approach to marriage was certainly erratic; on the one hand, thanks to his Quaker upbringing, he took it seriously. On the other, he didn't want anything to get in the way of his career – and he couldn't escape his own nature. As his former cinematographer and producer Ronald Neame told Kevin Brownlow, the author of the definitive Lean biography, his old producer Anthony Havelock-Allan had said of Lean: "David always had to have a girl on any film he worked on."

independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/brief-encounters-how-david-leans-sex-life-shaped-his-films-854957.html

Normalizing his fetish obviously. There was no historical backing for the event other than Lawrences personal diary. Modern scholars agree it was basically a TE Lawremce rape fantasy I shit you not.

Homosexuals fuck women if they have the opportunity. They are sex obsessed maniacs who are enslaved to their lusts.

One of the best films ever made if not the best and devoid of leftist propaganda. Fuck you.

You sound like a genuine retard.

Better a retard than a fag-enabler

It's literally gay propaganda. Stay away.

That's what it seems like. A Shame, the premise looks like it had a lot of potential.

Just watch it you fucking stormnigger.

>libtard propaganda

dont be retarded for once

OP confirmed for liking cock.

nah seems like a waste of time at the moment. Unless someone refutes that Lawrence is a shit character.

Pearls before swine.

Nobody cares if you watch it or not you underage feminized pussywop.

Then why do you keep demanding I watch it and "form my own opinions"?

how is it leftist propaganda? Not being totally on board with the sykes-picot agreement is libtard propaganda now?

>when you go this far down the Sup Forums rabbit hole
So worried about propaganda and making sure everything fits yours views you want us to spoon feed you the script instead of watching a good movie, stop being a faggot

The skyes-picot issue is that the real life Lawrence knew about it before hand, it's part of failure of the movie to portray the ambivalence he has towards his loyalties.

He's also described as "appalled" by it. he isn't "not totally on board"

>libtard propaganda
Sup Forumsshit teenagers are literally subhumans

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user it's time to stop, you've made like 30 posts of the same shit and have hardly even gotten any (you)s

yeah you can watch and enjoy a movie and not 100% agree with everything you see

OP is trying to use Sup Forums to see if hismedia will have any content that will trigger him

When did we become a safe space for easily triggered retards

We live in a timeline where promoting imperial empires interest is liberal as fuck mejt

I'll give you a hint, if you open by asking if everything is "libtard propagand", you're an idiot and should never post here again.

>TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OF THIS MOVIE Sup Forums!
>Well it's widely considered one of the best of all time by everyone in filmmaking
>THEY DON'T COUNT I AM NO SHEEP NOW HURRY UP AND TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OF THE MOVIE ALSO POL POL POL POL HERRRRRRRR

>s-s-same fags
>it c-cant be that multiple people think I'm a fucking idiot, that goes against my world view which absolutely can't be challenged or I'll break down into a sobbing mess
Fuck off

>i don't

huh kind of ironic... the place that complains about safe spaces the most wants the biggest safe space of them all

REALY
makes
you
ponder
huh

i think calling old movies "libtard propaganda" is my new favourite form of bait

pol babbies project literally everything
I mean everything

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>libtard

There is a containment board for a reason.

i'm not even op i just see a lot of potential in this bait

>the real life Lawrence knew about it before hand
Huh, been a while since I saw it but I guess that's a fair criticism if it's true.

Even if you disagree with its message that doesn't mean it can't be thought-provoking class material. You don't have to like something to learn from it, even (or especially) if it strengthens what you already believed, Senpai

The best bait is the real stuff.

T.vapid relativist.