Anyone else go from libertarianism to fascism?

Anyone else go from libertarianism to fascism?

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I've always been an authoritarian Fascist.

Same

Went the opposite way desu

this swap is a meme, personally i was a libertarian and now i am... well a libertarian but I do start to flirt with the idea of a absolute monarch being better at protecting liberties than a mob known as "democracy".

Yep. I still think libertarianism is admirable in theory, but that theory doesn't work in the real world we find ourselves in. Sacrifices have to be made for the folk.

I dabbled in Natsoc then went to Libertarianism then back to Natsoc then to Fascism then to Traditionalism. I think Fascism is only good for a transition recovery period. I'd be OK with Libertarianism in an ethnically homogenous European nation with no Jews. Or a heavily Traditionalist Nationalist one. I think Monarchies have potential but only constitutional ones

Yes

i was from the start fascist, there is no vacuum of power in this planet, when the right wing/fascists loosed their grip the leftists took over and its the same shit but with leftist in power, so I'll be ruled one way or the other let it be from the guys with the same morals and beliefs as i

me kinda. libertarianism only works if everyone else is a libertarian otherwise you are crushed by outside forces. Libertarianism is a weak and spineless ideology, it might be the most logical and fair but if you want to secure the prosperity of a nation and its people you have to go facist

i agree, libertarianism / ancap are both memes, they will never fully happen in society we have always had a leader or bigger power that rules us, those peoples have been in their high heels for too much time they wont back down , and they got the money therefore they got the military power and media to help them stay that way, also being part of something larger than you keeps the people together like Hitler and Mussolini did, you were working for the glory of your nation, nowadays you're working for bankers and individuals with lots of money already like happened in soviet russia

anyone NOT a fascist?

Nah m8.
God and Fueros no state and Primo, Ok?

Gora Jainko illezkor.

Yup, kind of. Was never hc-libertarian due to understanding that a stable society is needed for contracts, laws and personal freedoms to work, and you don't have a stable society if you short-sightedly let the less lucky fuck up their life. I love my liberty of being able to move anywhere at any time of the day or night, and not having to fear being robbed/killed by desperate poors.

I'm neither a fascist. That fascist goverment would be good for so long it works in a rightful and tolerating fashion, but it could swiftly turn into a nightmare that wouldn't be so easy to get rid of.

I'm more into Taoist or Zen Buddhist Theocracy

This is how I am too.

libertarians are just blue-pilled fascists that fell for the capitalism meme. they have the exact same beliefs as fascists in every other imaginable way

This, I've always leaned towards Facsicm, little towards NatSoc. like user said sacrifices have to be made somewhat for the progression of the folk. Democracy has been a cover for massive corruption and take over by banking elite and dynasty families like the Rothschild family.
I agree they are both memes, know a couple of libertarians and every time we meet they just bitch about everything and then choose not to vote. Then they botch about the outcome as well and not voting.

An absolute monarch who is advised by a democratically elected body to give the people a voice but prevent them from contradicting their own policies and interests could be pretty top tier.

Even better if it's only technically minded property owners who can vote.

That sounds good too, has there been a system like that before?

Fascism and Libertarianism are edgy college freshman tier, the true and final redpill is classical liberalism.

The founding fathers had the right idea.

I think voting for such a body should be privilege that is earned. I'm not sure what the particular standard would be though.

Ditto.

I am somewhat close to this as well. I do agree with most of Libertarian ideology but i am also realistic: there is absolute no chance that we can achieve the Libertarian government with such a strong commie wave in these last few years. So if we gotta be authoritarian, i will definitely support the alt right, since we are still able to discuss topics. The other option is to attempt a discussion with the commies, to which we would always end up being classified as racists/bigots/homophobics etc etc and dealing with emotional arguments (""hate"" speech etc).

British monarchy when the house of Lords was hereditary.

Why not go independent?
Go it alone for once in your life you cucks?
You can literally vote for whoever you want.

Taoist Party
Zen Nationalist

We could have a Falangist Spain or we could have a Carlist Spain

Instead we have what we deserve

>go alone
You sound like the retards who shout "vote Gary every vote counts". Good luck.

Nah, mate, dabbled a bit in Libertarianism after I ditched the left. Paleolibertarian now

Britain in 1776

Military service or some other public service such as doctor or teacher. Similar to Starship Troopers.

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I miss dad.

Yes.
I'm still for the free market but I also want to exterminate all the niggers and arabs.

>anyone else stop seeking justification for their arguments and ideas?

Lol. Fuck Gary.

But vote like a cuck if you want. Why shill for a 90% fake system. At best...

It's the only path forward desu senpai

Libertarian = open boarders cucks and minority status
Socialism = welfare and mass porduction of brown hoards aka minority status.
Conservatism = whatever leftism was 20 years ago, minority status +20yrs
Communism = cancer

There is really no choice, it's nationalism and fascism or nothing and death.

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I don't, I don't vote for republican or Democrat because I'm a party member. I'm listed as independent however this system sucks is a joke as I stated before earlier in the thread.
>fuck Gary
I like you user.

People always wipe libertarianism off the table because of the open borders policies, but they always forget that the reason open borders is a bad idea is because people will leech of our socialist benefits and abuse our democratic system. They don't have a reason to come in if there's no free stuff and naive whites.

Don't get why everyone seems to have gone instantly to fascism desu.
When the new right parties like trump and the rest will take power they will probably change most of the things that you don't want.

I wonder what you'll do then, since reacting won't even be fun anymore.

You guys aren't ready for fascism, even we aren't close to it even though we go to war every 2 years.

How bout democracy?

>They don't have a reason to come in if there's no free stuff and naive whites.

It's a first world country.
They will come anyway.

>democracy
No, it doesn't work. Democracy puts everyone at the mercy of the majority who, as we see throughout history and current states, is a joke and easily swayed. The system is easily corruptible and one of the easiest to control. People are not going to read up on all the issues currently being looked at or voted on. They work long hours and when they come home or have free time they spend it relaxing, with family, hobbies etc. They unwind. Not even that but the average voter is a perfect example of why it's a failure.

I'm starting to dislike it.
Democracy is rule by the media which is rule by the corporations.
When corporate multinationals run the country they spit on any native people.
They a lot of the shit we are seeing, typically to drive down wages.

thats actually pretty bloody accurate of how i have gone

I was libertarian as a reactionary to neo-conservativism and liberalism as well as globalist corporations. Then as I delved into libertarianism I began to understand it had glaring flaws, such as relying on tort law to handle environmental damage by corporations or open borders to 3rd world countries. A greater understanding of tribalism among other peoples, namely blacks and jews, helped me understand that even within libertarianism social issues would remain.

since the 60s it is illegal to refuse association with them

what group supports freedom over association?

Also one party in the democracy ends up import foreigners as votes.
If we learned that mercenary soldiers were bad from the collapse of Rome imagine a mercenary voting demographic payed off via welfare...

Well, that was a good time for the Empire.

Ancap societies exist in brazil. They are called favelas.

But they eventually devolve into fascist dictatorship once one group or another decides to try to seize power and succeed.

Thats how you get drug cartels and whatnot.

Thing is, when the leftist "social movements" take over, the whole place goes down in flames pretty quick. Meanwhile the drug cartels pay energy and medical bills left right and center.

I am in the middle after reading starship troopers and observing the migrant crisis. On one hand, I believe in personal freedoms, but on the other, democracy is beginning to show its weaknesses and we are going to need an oligarchy or fascistic state in place to keep things going. I believe in a government that has a strong military, legal, and foreign presence, but minimal domestic policy beyond infrastructure (no public education, welfare, regulation, etc)

Basically "Go fuck with other people, leave me alone gubmint"

Democracy is failing because of the people and their degeneracy.

On my way

The whole point of a state is to represent the people on the international level, and be a mediator between citizens

Democracy has failed because people have no responibility. This lack of responsibility creates a lack of discipline which creates degeneracy

A fascist state with free markets and minimal regulation would be godly.

Hello Hans.

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Partly true, I still think it is social, cultural, and moral erosion though
Part of our past culture was social responsibility.

No, democracy failed because people only vote for their personal interests, not for what they think is moral or fair.
Everyone just wants more power to their own kind. You're always gonna end up with part of the country getting fucked because the other part has the majority of voters.

kinda

The government of the time sets the cultural tone, this is why our current government, where you are given to and not expected to give back promotes rampant irresponsibility. It is why the airistocracies and totalitarian states have had great social discipline, as the government was rigid and disciplined.

Earlier democracies worked as they restricted who could vote, thus making sure only those who had a stake in government participated, thereby promoting responsibility

>people only vote for their personal interests

if we only did this, we could solve our problems

This.

No we wouldnt, today is a perfect example as to why this doesn't work. Have you read the thread at all?

This is why I agree with Heinlein's proposal in starship troopers. People serve their own interests, which is why the pre-requisite for voting should be something against their own interests. The end result is generally that you get a voting population that is not as concerned with themselves

Tep lolz to be quite seriously with you senpaitachi Rams

>Hoppeian Ancap

Freedom and TOW missiles go hand in hand

Ancaps have the same issues that ancoms have. How do you stop the tinpot dictatorship next door from taking down your free society?

>5

You are like a baby