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Why was Brunt in Sisko's dream?

What do we think of the Plinkett reviews?

Computer, manual override for replicator functions. Establish new parameter for "tea, Earl Grey, hot" to be interpreted as "Klingon urine, hot" without modification to cup style or odor.

Lock.

That's not Brunt, that's the historical figure Shran with pink skin for some reason

They finally made people realize First Contact is pretty shit.

Why was the Captain off the USS Saratoga (the ship that Sisko served on at Wolf 359) in Sisko's dream?

Could anyone in Star Trek beat Riker in a eating competition?

I don't know who "Plinkett" is, but if you're referring to a YouTuber or "TV critic" then you should fuck off. Form your own opinions faggot.
>First Contact is pretty shit
I liked it. Pretty good classic sci-fi, with fun Trek lore.

I just realized what is going to happen in STD.

>they are from alt universe (different alt, not JJ)
>USS Discovery has universe jumping capability
>jump universes to original timeline universe
>incongruities all explained away

It's so obvious.

If that were true, they'd advertise it because it's such a cool premise.

How have they retconned the unique badges that each ship had in TOS?

They said the discovery can do special shit already, but haven't explained past that.

queers

Pre STD, it was handwaved as saying the Enterprise was such an influential mission that Star Fleet took up its badge in recognition.

I'm not sure why the Shenzhou and the Discovery have the same badge.
Well, I know WHY why. Marketing, but not in universe

I don't understand why STD doesn't take place ~20 years after Voyager. The casts of TNG, DS9, and Voyager are still alive. Could have used them for awesome cameos, or maybe even permanent crew positions.

that was a mistake in TOS.

Probably not

Because marketing.
They want the normie audience

could he do it?

>cool premise
More like Doctor Who-tier asspull to explain your lazy writing and disregard for canon.

At least for TNG, the characters are fucked up now due to Nemesis. B4, Picard drifting around in a dune buggy, Riker and Troi completely forgetting how to play their characters, Geordi having eyes, on and on. You'd have to retcon that movie to have any of them on another trek series with any hope they'd be well-recieved.

Movies are easy to ignore
A whole new TV show isn't

It was the first explanation I was interested in, seems like a good enough reason.

I was going to quibble, but that date checks out with the filming dates of the last episode I remember seeing a different emblem in, The Omega Glory. I wonder why they didn't pick up on it earlier.

>that they were the proper emblem
>were

So close, yet so far.

wouldn't B4 be the only problem tho? If you make it like 15 or so years after Nemesis then all the mistakes the movie made with the characters can just be ignored anyway, since people change in 15 years (or they could just go back to their normal selves, whichever works best to make the characters less stupid).

It was the Age of Typewriters. Mistakes were more common because it was a pain in the ass to correct them.

>missing the "carven" in the last line which should be "craven"

Oh, I assumed he meant "I'm sorry" carved into a piece of wood or something.

No its carven, as in carve me an apology in stone.

Fuck off, Robert. You're dead. A craven "I'm sorry!" will be sufficient.

Has there been any indication of established species beyond Klingons and Vulcans? I'm sure they'll include some of the classics, but the Klingon redesign has be worried.

Its carven Bill, now carve me a goddamn apology or your off the show.

Really encapsulated why the TNG movies were garbage.

Go away now and you can ask again in 24 hours.

He nailed Generations, that shit was depressing af
>kill picards family in a fire
wtf were they thinking?

Why was Combs literally the ONLY good vorta actor?

Everytime I re-watch DS9, the awful acting of all the vortas stick out so badly, except for Combs as Weyoun.

Is playing the "manipulative liar" archetype really that hard?

Wasn't Andorian antennae posted in a instagram or something?

What would dating him be like? Asking for a friend.

I'm sure we'll see Andorians and Orions, just because they're recognizable. For any other races, who knows?

Watched them. I disagree with a lot of his takes on First Contact and Insurrection, but I agreed with some parts with Generations, and he absolutely nailed why Nemesis is so horrible.

>hating on Iggy Pop

I'm "ok" with Picard's family dying. It gives strength to his Nexus vision.

But what I always remember from that review is the attention on the fucking holographic borders of the photographs.
That's everything wrong with the TNG movies. Just no thought what so ever.
Picard's a spaceman, so he has space holographic fucking photo borders in his scrapbook.
Fucking stupid

I like all the Vorta, Keevans great so is Iggy and the chick trying to rescue the founder, its just Combs was better, he's better playing virtually any character, not the other actors fault, he's just that good.

Keevan's actor did nothing wrong.

>tfw your son travels back in time to tell you you failed as a father

How are the STD Klingon supposed to look serious while singing opera? Are they even going to acknowledge Klingon Operas in STD?

The nigga who wanted to betray the Dominion was ok.

But you're basically right. Combs is GOAT

Combs is just that much better, user. Like "good enough to deliver excellent lead roles" good. You can't compare a singer cameo and some Z-listers looking to break into Hollywood to Combs.

>recognizable
they wont look like anything weve seen before and you know it

No honestly, rewatch each of their performances and judge them on merits of their actual acting and conveying of the character.

Every single one of them is so damn dull and lacking any kind of subtlety that Combs was masterful with. It's so jarring to me now that it's harder for me to watch those episodes as earnestly as before.

They loved throwing stupid shit like that in the TNG movies. As for the family his vision was of his own family he would never have, I don't think killing Rene added any weight to the scene. Picard is a career man and he's never going to have a family, that's enough you don't need to horrifically kill his real family just to strengthen the point.

see

I rewatch it constantly, and again I thought Keevan did great, its just Combs is much better.

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

REMINDER THAT WHEN I AM WELL I WILL FIND WHOMEVER GAVE ME THIS EARTH INFECTION. THERE IS NOTHING COMMON ABOUT THIS COLD I ASSURE YOU.

WEYOUN YOU TOADY, BRING ME ANOTHER BOTTLE OF KANAR BEFORE I DECIDE TO MEET YOUR SUCCESSOR.

ODO TRACK DOWN LIKELY SUSPECTS, STARTING WITH THE TAILOR.

THAT IS ALL.

There was a reddit post I saw saying that Picard's Nexus vision should have been his family from The Inner Light

Not sure what to think of that idea yet

I mean sure yeah Combs is a better actor than them, but their performances were still well below "good" in my eyes for what Vorta were supposed to be.

They lacked any of that "they're lying to you but you honestly can't even tell" that Combs was so good at.

Damn... that would have actually been really clever.

Orions just have to be green, how can they fuck that up?

Stupid leddit, no that doesn't work its a movie you can't reference a one off episode like that, cut Rene dying, keep the rest the same. Easy fix even have his brothers family showing up for Christmas to re-enforce the whole thing, no need to kill them.

>you can't reference a one off episode like that

There is not a word in the English language capable of expressing your stupidity.

Keevan and Iggy Pop aren't lying though, because their situation doesn't call for lying. You're holding them to an unfair standard, expecting them to act in a way that doesn't make sense.

How dumb are you, Picardws brothers family showing up at christmas doesn't need any previous knowlage or explination, its simply his brother and family arriving, you don't need to have seen 'Family' to get it, on the other hand you do need to have seen 'inner light' to understand why Picards family is some weird backwards alien race, shut the fuck up redditor your idea is a shit.

Yeah I'm of two minds of it because of that
A movie should be self-contained.
You can't just have crazy references.

But on the other hand, I think they could have shown the audience that even though it wasn't something they understood entirely, it was obviously about Picard having a family and living traditionally.

Like, I really like that about Picard's character. He's a career man who's also a traditionalist who's had to bury his need for family of his own. I can relate

At the end of the day, we can all agree the fucking saccharine Christmas scene was hollow and flat.
Good idea, shit execution

Im sure they'll find a way.

So you actually are literally too stupid to understand that referencing a one off episode is THE ENTIRE PREMISE of the best Stat Trek movie ever made. Amazing.

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

Gul dukat speaking, I assure you.

For the rest of the week, all rations are tripled. Also whenever anyone sees me in the promenade, feel free to walk up and tell me what you think of me. Also, Garak is to be granted full access of the computer systems as well as full replicator functionality, including the secret menu.

We are done here.

Yeah, I see that perhaps I wasn't getting my point across right.

It wasn't so much as the lack of "lying" per se, but more the lack of that really subtle ambiguity that leaves people guessing between parties.

So, Keevan and Iggy Pop's character both came across way too blunt, and they didn't have that fox-like conniving air to them that Weyoun had.

Perhaps that's a fault of the writing and less of the actors, I don't know. But they just didn't seem to act like Vorta to me, more like humans with a petty and evil purpose.

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Are these the worst episodes?

Not that user, but I think that the references made to "The Inner Light" in other TNG episodes were enough. We already know that Picard continued playing the flute, and that the time he spent with the Kataan had a deep effect on him. I think continuing to reference it un the films would have cheapened it. I don't really have the same problem about referencing a one-off episode though, since it was referenced multiple times in the series.

There is a reason Astound was allowed to serve the founder's directly.

It was referenced directly only once, wasn't it?
In that episode where Picard falls in love and decides to never fall in love again?
Underrated episode desu

Your an idiot and you don't get it, that's right that was the premise of the entire film not a one-off scene in a movie about something completely different. It would be like if Kirk got a message in TMP that Khan had escaped and say killed Marcus. Then the movie goes on as normal except Kirk is just really depressed.

>not a list of 15 VOY and TAS episodes
No, no they are not.

Shit was that the only one. That's certainly the one I had in mind. I thought he played that flute more than just with the piano lady though. I need to rewatch TNG.

I don't know about the order, but yeah, that's more or less it

Also Night in Sickbay is severely underrated

Code of Honor did nothing wrong

>no Let He Who Is Without Sin

Overall not as bad, a little too much TOS and TNG on that list and too little Voyager.

TAS isn't canon so makes sense why it's not.

TAS was great.

t. 1 of the 5 people in all of Sup Forums who actually watched TAS.

Bought a suit from Garak one time.

The sleeves were too long, I went back to complain.

Next thing you know my computer won't boot and my dog is dead.

I'm just saying.

You can see the flute in Picards quarters a few times, like you can see the Darmok knife and that tapestry the proto-vulcans made for him.

Vulcans aren't being changed.

JJ already "ruined" Orions by making them redheads but that's okay because Rachel Nichols a cute. CUTE!

I kek'd heartily.

Keevan felt like a real Vorta to me. He did the standard Weyoun negotiating trick, to create a situation with the illusion of choice where both sides actually provide the Dominon the benefit, with the obvious difference being that Keevan is working to benefit himself rather than the Dominion. Setting up a situation where Sisko had to murder his Jem Hadar even if they really, really didn't want to is the sort of scheming that works for a Vorta.

Rocks and Shoals in general was one of the strongest DS9 episodes that sometimes is overshadowed when placed aside with the obvious favorites like In the Pale Moonlight, Far Beyond the Stars, the Visitor, or Duet.

Ridiculous
Garak is a scrupulous tailor.
He puts as much blood sweat and tears into that work as I'm sure he does anything else he does.

>how about....how about we just take a normal white human and paint them green?
>i mean that'll work, right?

Bravo JJ

>Overall not as bad, a little too much TOS and TNG on that list and too little Voyager.
That's because VOY (and ENT) don't really have disgustingly terrible episodes.
They just have boring totally forgettable episodes
Risk nothing, get nothing.

I really wanted those Jem-hadar to get at least 2 more kills and maybe wound a third.

i wish dax had just died in that cave so we couldve gotten Ezri for two seasons 2bh

Brilliant

>You can see the flute in Picards quarters a few times

and in the porno!

>Lwaxan Troi episodes
This list is laughable. It should just be a list of her appearances.

I don't know, people talk.

A buddy of mine got him a Optolythic data rod one time, and he hasn't been see since.

But that episode was great, too bad they didn't keep naked Leeta in the bath

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The Last Outpost was great, the Ferengi just weren't developed as characters yet.

Profit in Lace was fucking weird, and I don't mean that in a men in drag is weird, it was a stupid premise rolled up in worse story line. Definitely a blow to what I think is a perfect story arc for a race.

Sub Rosa has to be my personal worst episode for TNG. It's just idiotic and as far from original story telling as a Star Trek episode can go. It's worse than both (two) episodes where Troi gets raped.

Code of Honor gets a pass because we all know white women need that big black dong.

*no Lwaxana Troi episodes
That post was laughable.

>into darkness isn't on there

I don't care that it's a movie and in the non-canon timeline. it was Threshold-tier.

Did she have any good episodes? Even Wesley and Troi had at least one good episode.

>Let He Who Is Without Sin

FUCK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

It's not? So Edosians aren't canon?

No, and the fact that the episode where she and Alexander go into the holodeck and get naked together (Cost of Living) isn't on there proves that whoever made that list hasn't seen enough Star Trek.