Characters who did nothing wrong

>Created civilization from nothing
>State of the art hydroponic system
>Theocratic warlord
>allows women in his army leadership
>devout following from young boys
>garderner/farmer
>All he wanted was a healthy child.
>lifes work destroyed by feminism

Then why does the citadel celebrate when he dies?

Because the new socialist nanny state was gibbing water with no concern for the supply or thought towards the future wiithout his leadership.

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>trying to rebuild a society in the same model as the one that has proven to be unsustainable

Are you some kinda commie, OP?

so in your eyes a totalitarian dictator is favorable to democracy? what country do you live in?

also
>skilled diplomat
>family figure
>innovator in wasteland technology
>gives water to those who would die without it
>protects them with his military

He clearly hoarded wealth and kept his people deprived beyond what was necessary, even a small amount of his shown resources could have significantly improved his people's food, water and shelter.

those women just end up marrying rich privileged men anyway. either a gang leader or a top gladiator or smth, dumb roasties.

>doesn't actually try to rebuild society
>just tries to keep it for himself
>was a warmonger before anything else
>yes he had great inventions but the way he used it was not the way to rebuild civilization

Immorten was obsolete and should have given way to a successor that could build on what he did a looong time ago

i actually feel bad for the moms of roastie posters

Barter Town > The Citadel

This. At least Barter Town had entertainment, Tina Turner, and the saxophone guy from The Lost Boys.

>State of the art hydroponic system

He dumped all the water on the fucking ground

You're like that guy in Aqua Teen Hunger Force who calls pipes "futuristic space age tubes"

He didn't do it from nothing though, he used pre apocalypse technology, he was an oil driller or something.

>what country do you live in?
One that's currently committing demographic suicide.

>a totalitarian dictator is favorable to democracy

In a post apocalyptic setting? yes.

Im from US, where the "democracy is best" meme is pushed and we live in nothing of the sort...and never have

At what point is Joe in anyway communist?
If anything he was overthrown by feminist communists who took the means of production when it was Joe who built it all.

Damn straight

>Immorten was obsolete and should have given way to a successor

yeaa but it was his land, and he was trying o create a capable successor but the single feminist he trusted ended up betraying him, stealing his wives, and eventually came back with a superman and created a socialist state doomed to fail.

Oh look, another thinly veiled /r9k/ circlejerk.

>doesn't know what hydroponic means

>He dumped all the water on the fucking ground

so I guess it was his job to also create a sustainable and efficient water collection/ distibution apparatus for the lower unskilled classes huh

notice when the feminists took power they just poured even more water on the ground..

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>Anything celebrating a single mans lifelong accomplishment and rightly holding women accountable is r9k

got it.

Were there any female villains in this film?

Depends on the dictator really. I mean, if the dictator wanted humans to flourish but 51% of people in the democracy were intent on destroying themselves, is the democracy just inherently better?

>notice when the feminists took power they just poured even more water on the ground..

>everything about the Citadel he accomplished by himself
>people flock to it and don't contribute in any way
>the ones that do (Warboys and generals) are rewarded accordingly
>WWAAAAH WHY DOESN'T HE GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING

IMMORTAN JOE HAS TO PAY.

>Sup Forums
>because im right?

>More greenery than the last two movies combined

The man is a hero.

Any successor that follows in his path is doomed to fail

His system was perfectly fine desu. After watching le stronk womyn take over my only thought was they were going to run out of water.

Might makes right in the post apocalypse

Immortan died to his enemies, so he was unfit to rule. That's just how it is

>muh freedoms

Immortan fucked himself, though.

Thing about human beings is that it doesn't matter how good of a ruler or leader you are, they'll hate you anyway because you have more. When you die, there will always be people celebrating your death because to them it represents a random roll of the dice that maybe change is on the horizon and they'll be more than underlings. Never happens, but people love when leaders die because it makes them feel good about not being leaders.

more like mad roastie road to PMS LMAO, Joe did nothing wrong.

>Chasing after his favorite wife who was pregnant with his only healthy child who died

Well his successor is the women pouring tons of water on the ground soo yes

>first thing women do is wasting water instead of using fresh water as a bargain chip in exchange of gasoline, ammunition, medicine etc
women always vote for communism

Furiosa

all of them.

He let his emotions get in the way, and paid for it. He wasted untold amounts of ammo, fuel, vehicles and manpower chasing what amounts to a commodity exclusive to himself. He was a fool and a terrible ruler

he wanted an heir to the throne in order to maintain order and stability.

kys yourself
He's right

lmao this aint the medieval ages dude, the moment Immortan died the second strongest and most influential person in the Citadel would've taken over, disregarding any descendance Immortan had

well, people who are right are usually on Sup Forums

>Joe's sexual tendencies are covered much more in the comics and are suggested to be unusual. In the presence of his wives, he refers to himself as "daddy", asking Cheedo to sit on his lap like a child and seemingly taking pleasure in the age gap between him and his wives. Toast also remarks that during one of her rapes he had penetrated her anally rather than vaginally. This suggests that while Joe does place obtaining a healthy heir as a high priority, he still to a degree uses sex with the wives just for pleasure. It's also hinted at in the comic that he may have a closeted attraction to men. The wives mock him by saying he would rather sleep with a War Boy than with them, and the History Man narrating the comic shares this sentiment. In support of this claim, Joe has in the comics been seen encouraging War Boy's to refer to him as "daddy", a parallel with how he talks to his wives. He is for example seen in his own origin comic telling the War Boys "daddy loves you".

one of his sons was a literal giant, Im pretty sure he'd be fine. also furiosa is a womanlet with no muscles lmao

>loves young bitches and boipucci.
/OURGUY/

This man did absolutely fucking nothing wrong
He wanted to prepare the galaxy for Yuuzan Vong invasion, but the Jedi sabotaged him

>women always vote for communism

I don't think there's ever been a single female communist dictator. Communism was and is just as obsessed with the leader as a father figure as any other form of dictatorship.

Drugs are okay lmao

Communist attempts on a large scale always devolve into dictatorships, they isn't a single example to prove otherwise. True communism doesn't have a leader, but true communist is impossible, so who gives a fuck anyway.
Giving women voting rights was a huge mistek, they just vote for more and more of welfare state

Because welfare state is the actual "husband" they always have in order to be so "independant" now.

>He wanted to prepare the galaxy for Yuuzan Vong invasion

sheev did nothing wrong and btfo the jedi so hard so much so they had to kill the extended universe canon, and all chances of his clone, and "corrupting" Luke to the dark side.

He had to sons, a smart midget, and a dumb giant, together they were unstoppable.

True, big daddy goverment who provides for everything.

was the movie, in the end, critical of feminism?

And yet some of the most noteworthy female heads of states, like Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel, have been and are dismantling the welfare state in their respective countries and deregulating their economy.

Free water for a day...until Furiosa realizes that she can't keep doing that, and imposes the same limitations and inter-city dealings, just with "nice" rhetoric.

Then Lord Humongous 2.0 rolls in from the wasteland ten years later and takes over because the Warboys are all Pussyboys now.

TL;DR: waterniggers.

>Merkel

You the dumb cunt that invited a million savage welfare leeches into her country?

Whoa, careful with that Merkel praising, she didn't rest her rule yet, and it may prove to be the downfall of Germany. I'd be for removing active voting rights for women, but not passive. There are exceptional women there, just not as many as men

Smart

>Whoa, careful with that Merkel praising

I didn't mean that as praise.

>and Angela Merkel, have been and are dismantling the welfare state

>Merkel
>Whose socialist policies are dismantling the GERMAN state with unchecked migration bringing in million attracted to the obscene social entitlements her government offers
>Dismantling the welfare state

What the fuck are you even smoking? Merkel is a literal Communist, she was part of a Communist Activist group in her youth.

no it was celebrating the matriarchy, but in a short sighted purely socialist way.
they really never thought people would think it through enough to see that the women did nothing to fix the real problem which wasn't "muh vagina" but the ecological devastation of australia and the fact their initial plan of finding some "green lands" was a failure and stupid.

the old women just had seeds and talked alot , Joe had a fucking entire setup with plants growing on the cliffs and indoor farms and everything an army of young men and controlled laborforce could produce.

>Angela Merkel,
>dismantling the welfare state in their respective countries and deregulating their economy.

you mean deregulating the imigration policy, but by no means ending the welfare state

underrated

Was the first time this thread got locked not enough?

Sup Forums go home. You're drunk. Again.

this x100

thats why Max left, if he stayed theyd kill him because he knows full well the wawrboy he had with him will tell what happened to Joe and the Bullet Farmer and theyd flock to him for leadership

>Whose socialist policies

What socialist policies? Most Socialist states have been fairly isolationist and had little immigration, much less from countries that weren't part of the bloc in their own right.

The german welfare state has been getting weaker ever since she's been chancellor and, to be fair, even beforehand. The unemployed get less money and are subject to stricter limitations than in most of Germanies neighbouring countries. The age at which you're entitled to a pension keeps getting higher. It's fairly hard to get disability benefits. The education system is criminally underfunded and people working in the social sector are criminally underpaid.

Germany has a fairly weak welfare state and it's been getting weaker under Merkel and the CDU.

>wastes water completely dumping it on the ground and tells people not to become addicted to water
totally nothing wrong

Most of his citizens were not white.

It's "getting weaker" because they're literally running out of money to give out to illegal immigrants. There's a good reason that "refugees" settled in latvia, Hungary, Poland, Romania et al immediately head back to Germany. No matter what type of face you want to put on it, Germany is a full blown welfare state run by a known communist.

this thread was never locked

were celebrating the hero that was Joe.

This woman from Elysium had every right to stop illegal brown immigration by any means necessary. How long would it take for them to turn the station into the likes of their earthly neighbourhoods

No, they aren't. Germany has the biggest surplus in postwar history it's more or less just sitting on. And it's had a weak and weakening welfare state since long before a significant amount of illegal immigrants entered it.

And as much as you want to associate Merkel with her background in East Germany, most of her political strategy is based on that of conservative west german chancellor Helmut Kohl under whom she got her first government position. A lot of what she does is a direct continuation of the Kohl administration. Including holding her position for considerably longer than she reasonably should.

op here, lets try to get back on topic gents...

this is also correct, but not because they're brown,

but because they're illegal and contributed fuck all to the space city with a very delicate ecosystem which thy could destroy with a single earthbound disease..

also verifies my point on the whole socialist propaganda in modern cinema

I mean is it the citizens of Elysiums fault that matt damon was a moron who could have sent a robot to fix that machine considering he worked in a robot factory...

but he went in himself for...what again?

thats why insurance is so high some people are just not smart enough to stay healthy and the shit condition the ENTIRE PLANET ws in was inexcusable but still it was he responsibility of space people to make everything okay for them.

im black and i don't agree with racism, but i feel that if you depend on someones leadership to save you, you owe them your allegiance

but again they destroyed the entire planet...

i mean what was forcing them to graffiti everything and live in shacks?

Depends on how much you want to read between the lines
>Joe was an effective and efficient ruler and had more growing plants than in Road Warrior and Thunderdome combined
>Max and Nux also beat Furiosa and half a dozen other women at once in a fight and then saved Furiosa's life half a dozen times and the lives of everyone else at least once
>Nux gave his laifu for his waifu, saving everyone else in the process
>The Many Mothers were a group of pathetic opportunists that got the shit kicked out of them when they had to fight
>The Wives contributed pretty much nothing but lots of screaming
>Furiosa's entire plan was "run like hell" and Max had to save her multiple times

Also this. I don't know how anyone can get anything else from Elysium given that he personally witnessed the end of Apartheid and his entire family fled to Canada in the wake of that.

>i mean what was forcing them to graffiti everything and live in shacks?
Why is so much of Latin America a giant favela today? Why is Africa still so completely fucking ass-backwards?

>Why is so much of Latin America a giant favela today? Why is Africa still so completely fucking ass-backwards?


lots of sociological reasons, but also environmental...considering equatorial places are pretty consistent in weather the peooplle developed with an idea of plenty and never having to think in terms of long term...cultures that last over successive centuries weren't necessary until introduced by northern civilizations who compete with one another to beat winter.

its all perception of time desu.

north of equator has 4 seasons winter spring summer fall
south of equator has 2 rainy and dry

obviously if you divide your time into 4 parts you already have a geometric perception of time and space and thereby a grid is naturally ingrained in your psyche.

if you see time as back and forth from rainy to dry..you tend to see the world as a straight line between two points..soo you develope as such from meal to meal

the perception of time is everything

True

Women are always useful idiots leading up to communistic take overs

>rape
>complaining about lack of sex

Pick one

Shitty writers.

You're on the right track buddy.
What if, you know, the differences were deeper than culture? People you speak of evolved high melanin levels to cope with the sunlight, northern humans, on the other hand, have light skin for the improved vit. D synthesis.
Now entertain the though, that evolutionary differences may be farther than just skin-deep. What if northern men evolved higher intelligence and abstract thinking, to better cope with the changing seasons?

Guys, it´s about a fucking movie character! Go back to Sup Forums if you like to start a rant about your right wing agenda.

That's why you build planet busters the second you have a somewhat stable space colony. Fuck all those mud monkeys, you just KNOW they won't leave you alone, EVER

Europeans learned to depend on each other, and expect as much in return, to combat the harshness of nature, i.e. altruism. It's also why Whites are extremely gullible and self defeating to a point, political affiliation irregardless, conservative missionaries in third world countries and liberals chanting black lives matter are both acting out fucked up versions of altruism that their ancestors developed to survive extremely harsh conditions, like the ice age.

Altruism also led to tighter knit communities, so when the weather became less unbearable, they we're free to explore other ventures. It's why the best artist, architects, poets, philosophers, are European

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>but also environmental...considering equatorial places are pretty consistent in weather the peooplle developed with an idea of plenty and never having to think in terms of long term...
What do you call it when a populus adapts to a certain environment over a period of time?

The prohibition of drugs kills way more people than drugs themselves.

Is Elysium the end game of Whites? Eventually White Flight will turn to a purely White ethnostate, and the only way to remain purely White is to build it in a place browns can't reach, like space

>>Created civilization from nothing
He hasn't created a civilization and he sure as hell did not create the wells and machinery of the Citadel.

>"democracy is best" meme is pushed
imagine being this much of an unemployed teenager
>and we live in nothing of the sort...and never have
its called voting junior, you should try it when you turn 18 in a few years

The thing about Fury Road is it isn't militant feminism like most people imagine, but more of a moderate feminism which is actually much more common among feminists. The things that deviate from hard core feminists come from the moderate argument that the genders are different but should be equal and free to complement each other. Both Joe's warlordism and the Mother's intense matriarchy are unbalanced and therefore unhealthy. Examples of this approach can be seen through the movie:

-Joe's masculine greed and domination means his settlement is an unpleasant place where most people struggle to survive and so can't advance

-Furiosa's masculine qualities are the only hope for her and the others to escape, the addition of

-Max joins the women because of Joe's fearsome reputation, his masculine stregnths improve their chances further.

-Nux is shown compassion by the women, and is shown a healthier alternative to Joe's hyper masculine severity. He grows more capable because of this and in turn lends his masculine strengths to the group.

-The Mothers, driven from their home and too weak to take another nevertheless have the means to build a new paradise through their feminine inclination towards growth and life. Max convinces all of them that through bravery and struggle this paradise can be achieved.

-This turns out to be the case, and through the masculine virtues of bravery, struggle and especially (exemplified through Nux) sacrifice, the goal is achieved.

There's also incidences of symbolism such as Max learning to trust Furiosa by fixing the trailer, the opposite happening when she lets him drive, the very obvious part where Max swallows his pride and lets Furiosa shoot (using him as a bipod), Max going off and killing Bullet Farm guy (going full masculine).

Yes, altruism and empathy are proving themselves, in the end, to be the downfall of the western civilisation

Adapting

>Is Elysium the end game of Whites?
Why else do you think Obongo defunded NASA? :^)

The Yuuzhan Vong do not exist.

Voting means fuck all when the candidates are predetermined. Then it's just the illusion of democracy

Could be, but could be we are currently in the stage of Good Times create Weak Men, next comes hard times, and then Strong Men to create Good Times to be fucked over by Weak Men again

What do you mean by this? Like, jet fuel can't melt steel beams?

yes, thats the millenia-long experiment: we know a well oiled non-thinking machine can produce results economically and technologically, contemporary china tells us that. the trade off humanity decides on is called democracy, where a loss in productivity is replaced with human rights