Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer of all time
Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right that capeshit is destroying modern culture
Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern comic books are irredeemably shit
Daily reminder that Grant Morrison is a fucking hack
Daily reminder that OP is a faggot.
Wow, comics must suck is fish rape is the best we can come up with.
All true.
t. pleb
>Alan Moore spends years writing superheroes
>says superheroes are killing culture because they reuse ideas
>dredges up Victorian public domain characters and turns them into superheroes
what did he mean by this
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer of all time
But he's not Carl Barks or Stan Sakai.
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer of all time
Hes not even a good capeshit writer.
He's just insecure because his capeshit stories are far and away the best of his works.
>what did he mean by this
It means even idealists gotta eat.
you almost had me, mr moore
>Alan Moore is right that capeshit is destroying modern culture
Modern culture destroyed modern culture.
Comic books don't even make a scratch on modern culture.
He's fantastic when it comes to themes, foreshadowing, and connecting various elements into a cohesive, multi-layered whole.
His characters, though, feel like mere actors following directions, instead of living people. I guess that's the trade-off when you have such tight plots, but still.
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern superhero comic books are irredeemably shit
FTFY, because there are good comics out there.
>OP manages to make a post that is so false that even the "daily reminder" part is inaccurate
He's good
A few popular movies and some comics that that no one even buys can't destroy shit
For the most part, yeah
I don't care about this topic
Indiean pls
Prove me wrong.
Not really. In fact, that is totally misquoting and taking what he said out of context. Yes, he did state that Superheroes were killing the comic industry. However, the reason he said that is that no writer is allowed to do anything new with them with it being undone to maintain a status quo.
For example, take Loki Trilogy. It was easily one of the greatest things that had happened to the character for a while. It was one which deconstructed and reconstructed his character. In fact, it's ending is easily one of the greatest things to happen in capeshit.
However, in just a year it is undone by a fucking hack who barely acknowledges it and just wants to write his own story while showing no respect for the work Gillen and Erwing did.
You've made a terrible mistake.
>any British writer
>good
You're not even trying, are you?
Alan Moore actually still is the GOAT comics writer, even if he is a salty old man.
Moore wasn't exactly right about capes, but he wasn't entirely wrong either.
Capes are for kids, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The constant rebooting and reinterpretation of cape comics means that each generation gets to experience those characters in a way that connects with and makes sense to them.
This does mean however they can't ever provide any kind of fulfilling narrative journey to anyone who hangs onto those characters into adulthood, and it's either impossible or incredibly difficult remain invested in them when you watch them morphing into completely different characters than the ones you grew up with.
All that people who do this are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment after disappointment as they refuse to accept these characters and situations are no longer meant to appeal to them. This isn't some kind of defence of capes becoming more edgy or SJW pandering, the business model of the Big 2 simply made that change inevitable just as capes were different in the '90s to how they were in the '70s, or the '50s.
I do feel like adult comics fans could really do themselves a favor by letting capes go. Let the next generation have them, don't look back and move on to stories with an actual narrative structure, a beginning, middle and conclusive end and character development and progression. Because those stories can be satisfying in a ways capes never will be.
>literally who writers
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern comic books are irredeemably shit
Maybe mainstream geek culture oriented shit like capes and other kiddie shit. Comics targeted towards adults i.e "alternative/undergrund/comix" is in a golden age at the moment. Besides, cape/fantasy/sci-fi comics are dying and moving on to film/TV since that's a much better medium for them so what's he crying about anyway?
hitler loved the movies, user. why do you think that was?
Actually this brings up a different question, are people in Europe more familiar with Carl Barks or Alan Moore?
>his characters feel like mere actors following directions
cool emotional plea, user.
>good comics are out there
and fewer and fewer of them are traditional capeshits.
found the capeshit
Really? Carl Barks created Scrooge McDuck and lots of other Disney characters. Stan Sakai made Usagi Yojimbo.
Carl Barks of course, since his duck comics are classics for all ages to enjoy. Moore has mostly made geek shit like capes for american shit publishers like DC/Marvel which aren't that popular in Europe.
How come Moore never misses an opportunity to put rape and women being beaten in his comics?
If Alan Moore hates capeshit so much, why is the only thing he knows how to write capeshit?
>these characters and situations are no longer meant to appeal to them
if that's the case, then there should be new characters. hence the shitty problem with Superman and Captain America and shit before the 1950s still being jammed down peoples throats via movies and fascist culture
>business model of the big 2
you aren't helping your case. that same business model stifles creativity and new ideas
>let the capes go
>but let the next generation have capes
you've shifted goalposts like 4 or 5 times, user.
>G rated material is automatically more popular
that's not how it works
For good character writing I turn your attention to Garth Ennis' Preacher.
>i have not read any alan moore except crossed
Lost Girls is nothing but sex and no one is raped. try again
yeah i didn't read passed the first volume because it seemed contrived.
>muh random vampire
Alan Moore has done comics for adults too. One of Sup Forums's favorite Alan Moore comics is the short underground comic he did with Peter Bagge about the Kool Aid mascot. He has also drawn his comics back in the comix days.
You have a literal demigod enter a preacher's body that allows him to command anyone to do anything so long as they can hear and understand him, and you find vampires to be a difficult-to-buy concept in this setting?
He has just written a 1200 page piece of acclaimed literary fiction which is the 10th longest English language work ever published.
>Voice of Fire
>Jerusalem
>Halo Jones
>Swamp-Thing
>D.R. and Quinch
>Skizz
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>only thing he knows how to write is capeshit
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Did you just respond to obvious bait?
fine. if i can find the time and if it's affordable, i'll give it a second chance
n00bs gotta know, user. just like stan lee says, every thread could be someone's first
And daily reminder that everything he has done has been 100% purely derived from other people's work who he never ever credits and then claims that everyone in the world is plagiarising him. He's an old fool and a blowhard that only appeals to babbys
>And daily reminder that everything he has done has been 100% purely derived from other people's work who he never ever credits
Source?
I don't see how you're contradicting anything I wrote. There are new and more interesting characters for you to read about, ones that aren't superheroes and aren't published by Marvel or DC.
>let the capes go
>but let the next generation have capes
Yes. You let them go, let the kids have their versions.
He's a master storyteller.
He's allso a fucking cunt.
>every thread
Just stop.
When will I stop having to see people imply Alan is horrible based on snippets of things he's said about comics when all the evidence suggests he's actually an awesome and chill person?
Not that user, but the Donald Duck comics in particular are fucking insanely popular. Especially in parts of Northern Europe.
When people learn to watch videos of him.
When you read him saying shit, the natural inclination is to assume that he's a total asshole who takes this shit way too seriously.
When you watch him saying shit, you realize that he's a friendly jokester with a lovely smile who says it all half in jest.
>says it all half in jest.
Do you think he was half-jesting to Morrison?
Do you think maybe they really don't even hate each other?
>defending that shitting on lovecraft
>probably liked the alice in wonderland porn
>calls anyone a pleb
i always thought they were joking
how mant "Alan Moore said this" threads do you guys have?
>Alan Moore
>good
Daily reminder that he's a bearded Bolshevik whose views haven't evolved since 1960, who subsists on the very thing that he whines about.
Daily reminder that said shrivelled Socialist shitfire contributes to the very destruction of our culture through his overly ponderous, slogging, overly perverted and naively ignorant diatribes such as "Watchman" and "League of Extraordinary Gentleman" (the movie was better).
>Sup Forumstard
>animu poster
the fact that Moore is indeed a fact doesn't make you any less of a retard
alan moore was 7 in 1960.
nice b8
>Anything political is automatically Sup Forums
I'm right, faggot. Deal with it. Your hero is a hipster troglodyte and a blight on the comics industry.
Doesn't change the fact that he has stereotypical hippy views from that time period.
Moore is an anarchist.
>real comic book "fans"
daily reminder he made fun comics like tom strong
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Daily reminder that Stan Lee will devour Alan Moore's soul and in doing so live forever.
>However, in just a year it is undone by a fucking hack who barely acknowledges it and just wants to write his own story while showing no respect for the work Gillen and Erwing did.
That's nothing new though. That's been the problem with comics throughout many decades.
We need stronger editors
That'd be Araki
That could only happen if Alan lost his beard
Daily reminder that 90% of Moores portfolio is capeshit with a few rare islands of talent.
Tezuka is better and more versatile and wrote his own stories. Taiyo Matsumoto as well, and Inio Asano. I mean sure he looks good compared to Western writers but that ain't sayin much now is it.
But it shouldn't. And apart from the abuse that their writers suffered, that was why Moore loathed the Big 2. In an industry that has evolved greatly since in started, that is unacceptable. has the right idea.
Will Eisner, Dave Sim, and Art Spiegelman
>Unpopular but true:
Grant Morrison IS a hack, but his shit is enjoyable.
"let the kids have their versions" is NOT LETTING CAPES GO.
if there was a different roster of characters, you might have an argument. but as it is now, superman and batman are what 80 years old? get rid of them. move on. take your own advice.
>socialist shitfire
>getting paid for work is socialist shitfire
>having days off is bad for society
>public education so kids can fucking learn to read is degenerate
why have you KYSed yet?
>stereotypical hippie views
you mean liberals, user? liberals are not leftists
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you didn't do the math, nor did you read his works which are far better than most
>Not knowing Carl Barks
gr8 br8 m8 no h8, appreci8.
none of those are better writers than moore
Do you know what letting go means in this context? I hope when someone tells you it's time to let go of an ex-partner you don't go and murder them.
The only people who can retire capes permanently are Marvel and DC, and they're not going to bludgeon the goose that lays the golden eggs. The whole reason cape comics follow the reboot-reuse-recycle model is BECAUSE it's profitable.
you still aren't realizing that reboot-reuse-recycle model IS bludgeoning the goose.
let me guess, you can't wait to waste your money on yet another fucking shitty reboot?
How in the name of fuck did you get from my posts that I still enjoy cape comics? I'm the one saying adult readers are better off moving on from them. I couldn't give the slightest shit what happens to the Big 2.
if you'll recall, you vascillated back and forth, rationalizing the existence of capeshits. you have not made yourself clear.
I don't get Moore's anti-super-hero bullshit at all. It's like if Micheal Jordan came out against basketball.
It's something he was good at and made a living from, but he tries to knock down. I think it's something personal with him. Like said.
Because Adolf had great taste in everything.
lol i like how you replied to someone mocking capeshits and LoEG when clearly the OP talks about modern culture. what a happily false comparison
i guess that was why he was a vegetarian?
>Stan Sakai
Which one of the Watchmen Babies is your favorite, Ally?
Nobody's perfect, user. Some people's stomachs just can't handle meat.
Exactly, if anything "modern culture" is destroying comics because it's leeching off them. They want to take popular, recognized characters and make money off them while doing so in a way that condemns the people who made them popular in the first place.
Comics are still "for nerds" but characters from comics are okay to like? That's where the bullshit comes from.
No I agree with this user. He does seem to bring up rape. Off the top of my head, three things I read from him have rape in them. Out of the four things I'm thinking about.
So I can admit I haven't read a lot of his work, but almost everything I read has rape in it.
Huh? I'm talking Moore's anti-super hero rants. Learn to read.
The very first thing I said is that I agree with Moore that they're for kids, and that attempting to hang onto capes into adulthood is futile.
I'm fine with cape comics existing, just like I'm fine with anything which doesn't personally interest me existing, because I recognise I'm no longer the target audience. A lot of criticism you see on Sup Forums of capes is
>not muh
And yeah, they're right, but that doesn't mean they should go back to how they were, it means it's not meant for you any more and it's time to move on.
It always annoys me when adults try to justify their love of childish shit by saying that it's actually got adult stuff in it. Like, yeah, I'm sure that children's cartoon has untold layers of complexity, but perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel the need to act like uncool stuff is cool, instead of just accepting that you like uncool things.
Miller and Pat Mills overall have a much better track record than Moore, and are nice people to boot.
Not even getting into any french/asian writers