We need to build another internet

>ICANN handed to UN
>facebook and youtube brining in much stricter rules allowing for more censorship
>UK 'snooper's charter'
>EU working with google and co to fight 'extremism'
>net neutrality being scrapped, only MSM/google/faceberg will be able to afford high speed lines

All this considered it is entirely possible that over the next few years, non-PC opinion will be removed from the internet, or at least made hard to access and be heavily monitored. What is needed is a new internet that works near completely anonymously and without relying on corporate servers or DNS.

How do we do it m8s?

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turnkeylinux.org/blog/p2p-web-hosting
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Deep web stuff

Nop

We need to defend the current one.
The day internet gets censorship, is the same day we lost.

Let's all get landlines and do dial in BBS

You could try asking Sup Forums. But is right, we won't have an audience to "redpill" with we have our own private internet.

Alternate DNS system is probably the most realistic. The internet needs huge fiber optic cables under the sea to function. Without an unexpected breakthrough in technology there's no way around them.

Trying to play one of the big internet companies off against each other, but you need to find a way to make them think free speech will make money for them. You could try something like pooling large amounts of money to buy advertisements on something like youtube, then threaten to pull them when they censor things.

I've thought about this and the best method IMO would be a way to hack power meters to create ad-hoc networks that would use Tor.

I've looked into the technical details and they have speed of 35-50kbps and are encrypted but it's possible to crack them.

why did that savage destroy that pure flower?

RIP Flower

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Opinion is already controlled on the Internet, and has been for years. The progression of social-media and decline of open forums was detrimental. They're playing chess in another dimension - their resources are basically unlimited.

how can i use 4chen with TOR?

SAUCE?

'Parently tor is compromised. Any login through a tor node is now flagged. Apparently.

Why doe? Most normies are absolutly fine with problamatic views being censored as long as they've got their social media.

Any way we can make dial-up fast?

Alternative DNS seems possible. But IP addresses are assigned by ISP right? So problematic website could still be tracked back to a physical location or just blocked at ISP level.

There are numerous alternatives to the clearweb Internet. If you know them, then you know them. If you don't know, that's fine by me too.

we need people like you to understand what ICANN actually does and for you to understand what the internet is because you're not making one by any imaginable chance.

Not to mention I2P, TOR, FreeNet

>muh TOR
>Muh Freenet

Tor is compromised. Freenet is likely a favourite of every alphabet agency you can name, and the rest.

It handles DNS routing and assignment right?

Good moaning!

Trying to limit the Internet is very difficult.

When two individuals can communicate (ie. send even a single bit of information) to each other you can create an encrypted protocol that the carrier (internet provider) cannot read or interpret.

Tor is an example of this.

TOR

bump

Most likely nothing will happen. Here are however few possible outcomes if something happens.

They can either:

a) Threaten the domain owner that their domain will be seized due to non compliant content. Solution to this problem would be to use other DNS servers such as OpenNIC. Problem here is that most home networks use DNS provided by ISP, so mostly non technical users would be affected (they would need to manually enter alternative DNS server address). Since most users wouldn't change their DNS website owners would have to accept content conditions or they would lose revenue since traffic would be severely affected.

b) More damage could be done with ICANN's IANA department, since they are responsible for allocation of IP addresses and AS numbers used for routing. They could decide to seize certain IP ranges, taking them from ISPs if they decide that content going through ISP's network is offensive to them.

First problem could easily be solved by ISP, people would just need to request that ISP changes its DNS server addresses or by changing DNS address on your devices.

Second problem is more tricky to solve. If ISP got blocked from their address range or AS numbers, users would be unable to access addresses outside of ISPs network. Internet is just number of smaller networks connected together, from your local network, to ISP's network, to the networks of the ISPs... If this happens ISPs would need to agree to use alternative addresses and ignore which are provided by IANA.

So if any of this actually happens grab your pitchforks and run to your ISP's office since they will be responsible.

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Let's build a quantum internet.

I'm assuming most ISPs will comply, especially in Europe. Some in the US might hold out in the name of muh free speech, but they'll likely be crushed. So how do you into internet without ISP? If you were gud with computers this (internet without ISP) was possible on dial-up right? You're phone provider just saw it as a long outgoing call. But cable and DSL/ADSL are different aren't they? Could data be sent on a continuous stream through the cell network as it was dial-up?

zeronet.io/

>I'm more of a bigger picture kind of guy

Never thought I would say this but

I'm a #CruzMissile now

cruz.senate.gov/internetcountdownclock/

Sounds like we're at the mercy of the private company that owns zeronet.

>implying it's not run by the CIA

You have no idea how P2P works. It's open source and it automatically runs through Tor.

github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet

Tor has been compromised by the CIA for ages. Of course they'd love for as many people as possible to use it for illegals things, thinking no one can spy on them.

we are getting spied on now though so why does it matter.

only thing im concerned with is freedom of information.

>They don't know about 0chan

Why even live?

127.0.0.1:43110/0chan.bit/?Sup Forums

>127.0.0.1

Yes you could have dial-up without going through your ISP. Problem with dial-up is that is incredibly slow by today's standards, so it wouldn't be good long term solution. DSL/ADSL go directly to your ISP, same with cable, it's only different type of medium, only physical layer of OSI stack is changed, everything else stays the same as for example in fiber connection. As for cell networks, it would be possible to use them as dial-up, only issues would be technical limitations (bandwidth, reliability, cost).

A better way would be to create mesh wireless networks. Basically everyone who would want to connect to the "new internet" would require an access point. This access point would act as a relay that would forward others people traffic to it's destination. Problem with this is long distance communication and achieving acceptable bandwidth. Getting signal across Atlantic ocean would be huge technical challenge and not achievable without sufficient founds. This would likely never be achieved since it would require cooperation of many people. And in end we could get jewed over by FCC, saying that we cant use this frequency range for this specific task.

Let's go back to fidonet.

>we are getting spied on now though so why does it matter.
It matters because we know we are being spied on. It's much worse to be using a service that you believe is secure, but really isn't.

That doesn't like like a pot which stores honey at all : ^)

Freedom of information in the sense that anything can be accessed without specialist equipment (or at least too much specialist equipment) and no third party can delete said information or restrict access to it. This would be the premise of my ideal alternate system. Also open source.

You sly dog.

That's exactly the point. You're serving and accessing the files directly among the network of anonymous users. It's completely decentralized and uncensorable. This thread is about methods of circumventing ICANN censorship, not avoiding "spying" per se.

You're posting on a public forum. Anyone can see what you post obviously, and the NSA can probably link it to your ID even through Tor if they really wanted to. But at least we get to express free speech without all our posts being moderated away.

This.

Not even a pot, dood.

It's a loopback - used for testing your hardware only.

So dial-up is slow and stay slow. What about adding a second phone line and using them in parallel? Would you be limited to 2 56k lines or could you have data be sent over both of them to greatly increase the data rate?

>ICANN will censore the internet

Not this again, please

My head still hurts from the last time

>How do we do it m8s?

We don't.

Tech oligarchs and state cronies have captured the Internet the way Russian oligarchs have captured the local economy left vacant by the commies in the nineties.
Since they intend to do shit with it, the solution is to crack down on them, Putin style. Storm the headquarters, force the oligarchs to either comply with free speech rules or let their creations be taken over and flee the country to avoid the popular anger.

I'm 100% serious. This is a political matter, not a technical matter. There is a rush in the globalist camp to make the handover happen because they know once Trump is elected it's never going to happen, he'll secure the infrastructures for the next century.

There's no playing that game. The solution is to storm the headquarters of the decision makers, physically.

can't or won't?

Requesting more Cruz JUST pics

How the fuck do you not see this?

>give domain name ownership over to UN
>UN drinks the progressive kool aid, always has been
>labels certain 'domains', such as....
Sup Forums.org
minds.com
rebel.media.ca

...as having extremist content

>Seizes, shuts down these problematic domains
>Sites that still exist afterwards either have to change their name, at which point they'll get found again eventually
>sites no longer use the DNS service, making everyone need to know the IP address, which makes getting to the sites a pain in the ass

It it very possible, Achmed.

t. CCNA

Seems like a great opportunity to bury the hatchet between Cruz and Trump, in surface at least.

Jackass.

More normals on dark nets make you more secure you idiot.

Double CCIE here and you're a fear monger isn't newb

Can't in the sense that setting up your own DNS server is not that hard and ICANN only handles the very surface of the system anyway

And won't in the sense that if they wanted to censor the internet, going over ICANN is the most impracticable way imagineable

If we are talking cell networks yes, just use multiple numbers, although this would greatly complicate data transfer process (you would get more bandwidth but reliability would be affected and latency would increase since you would have to wait for packets to arrive on second line if first one was already finished). For landlines I am not to sure, since in big companies they usually need to rent multiple lines to handle multiple simultaneous calls (cost increase, same problems as with cell networks).

>'Parently
>apparently

you make yourself look like a fucking dumb piece of shit kike faggot to save 1 letter

kill yourself, you fucking idiot

Inernationalization means the Internet as we know it will be regulated out of existence.

But people would need access to your DNS. Do you have the IP addresses of all the website you use saved? How would a new website get up and running if Google decided not to serve their results and DNS cut them off?

>And won't in the sense that if they wanted to censor the internet, going over ICANN is the most impracticable way imagineable

Maybe so. But Google are already censoring their results.

Infamy.org
Hillary stole state monies for tech companies to serve her.

Maybe the tone was meant to be conveyed as disingenuous, meaning that tor is actually safe and that was user's low-key way of saying shills want us to think otherwise? Why'd it trigger you?

We need a fully distributed backend, a new website format, and a mixer service. Distributed DNS are already a thing and work quite well (see gnunet and namecoin) and are a part of the stack we need.

We need something distributed to prevent the possibility that a site is shutdown. Even if you don't know who is hosting the site, if you have a good idea of in which country he is and are pretty desperate to get to that person, it's not out of question to schedule blackouts a few areas at a time until the site goes offline, helping you find the host.

Mixer services (be it gnunet, tor or i2p) allow posting and accessing content anonymously of course. My favorite approach is f2f nets like retroshare, though, although that approach is only good if you only link with actual, real-life friends. In practice, an attack has been done on f2f nets where a middleman was asked to provide his full friendlist (which of course includes known IPs).

Distributed resources can be useful or useless. So far there hasn't been much success with them, but ethereum and late maidsafe are trying to make that viable.

We need a new website format because html5/css3/js is a privacy nightmare, and even goes so far as to officially include DRM, nevermind the incredible anti-privacy attacks it allows. Basically, websites should provide the data alone, and clients should do all the rendering in whatever way they prefer in my opinion.

But why do it in the most absurd roundabout way? Why not go after the ISPs or the hosting servers? Why transfer the power to the UN first when you have the authority about it right now? Why not excercise the power you have about the regional registry?

You already know that "taking down" the domain does not actually take down the site. What's the big difference between memorizing a name and some digits for us hardcore rebels?
Who will enforce this schtick? The UN army?

Found this article at the Turnkey Linux blog a few days back.

turnkeylinux.org/blog/p2p-web-hosting

Stay as far away as possible from zeronet. It's a complete joke. It's so bad that the only way to post something is with an account, but that account can only be regenerated once per 6 hours per ip, and the account ID with which you post is readily available to anyone who accesses a site you posted on, allowing anyone to track you perfectly anywhere.

Not to mention, anyone can edit their post at any time, which has really cool applications (which proofs of concepts have been shown on 0chan, it's not just theoretical), such as bypassing any sanitation and inserting content such as driveby malware installs and content request to the normal web (this includes making you go through an arbitrary server), or inserting completely arbitrary redirects.

Did I mention yet that it's impossible for anything zeronet-related to work without javascript?
It's impossible for anything zeronet-related to work without javascript. Posting works with javascript, rendering works with javascript, fetching works with javascript, the interface from which you select site options works with javascript. In other words, you have no reliable way whatsoever to defend yourself against attacks like those listed above.

You don't need all the IPs since ICANN only handles the root part of the DNS, the top-level domains, i.e. where to lookup where an address ending with .com is located

The whole decentralized architecture is the beauty of it, censoring the net is actually pretty hard.


>But Google are already censoring their results.
This is a far greater problem than the guy who makes the phone books table of contents being indirectly employed by the UN rather than being indirectly employed by the US.

Ask these guys they probably know more

Interesting link, fanks.

>This is a far greater problem than the guy who makes the phone books table of contents being indirectly employed by the UN rather than being indirectly employed by the US.

I see what you're saying. The problem is that it is the default DNS.

>only physical layer of OSI stack is changed
and data link layer bruv

3 and up is the same though

Dial-up speed is bound by the least-bandwidth link in the telephone network, which is the last mile.

IP addresses are either static or dynamically assigned by whatever DHCP server responds to a DHCPDISCOVER (at least for v4, wouldn't know about v6).

just edit you hosts file and resolve addresses there.
Those addresses bypass DNS lookup

you can run multilink PPP which splits the packets up and sends down multiple links

all connections must be to the same ISP though(or same BBS)

mlppp actually reduces latency as sending 2 or more packet fragments is quicker than an entire packet

It would just become a place for pedophiles and drug dealers.

doesn't that fall under anti-trust or 1st amendment?

pretty sure thay can do it elsewhere than the US though

Put Sup Forums into deepweb.

>Dial-up speed is bound by the least-bandwidth link in the telephone network, which is the last mile.

Got you. So servers (dealing with hundreds of requests at a time) would likely still need high speed lines and the amount of standard phone lines required would be impractical.

What about that giant tuckin cable from America that crosses the Atlantic Ocean; we gonna need one of those to my nigga unless we switch to radio, line of site, launch our own satellites or something like that.

I can run my own dNs server at home, it may be slow at first but as it learns the paths to the servers I communicate with often it will be just fine.

We can setup our own dns, it's basically an address book. The problem is who controls the lines, the exchanges which are sometimes referred to as "the cloud" and who owns all the different bandwidths of other technology we could use.

I do agree a new system should be built but we need serious smart people and serious $ or user involvement

Is usenet still a thing?

or, edit your hosts file and share it.

make it automatic thorugh BT

Yeah, I don't think DBD is the issue; it's control of the infrastructure. Those greedy bastards at Google even bought up the old vhf bandwidth old tv used to run on

>dns
Sorry fuck this phone

I will add that I think Ethernet can be adopted to use other technology to make it possible we just need to all agree to use the same technology and it needs to be readily available

Reddit tried to do this before, and they were a bunch of disorganized faggots with good intention and no follow-through. If you want to be serious, there must be hierarchy and incentive for people to actually work on the damn thing.

Probably bait, but I'll bite for any lurkers:

The other guy was right that more users on things like TOR enable one to get lost in the noise, so to speak. You never want to use TOR if you're the only one in your area using it. And besides that, TOR was developed by the Navy and is no doubt heavily tracked and monitored. Honeypot comes to mind. But again, the more people use it, the less likely it is, statistically, that any single user will be v&.

>Double

Not a thing. You rennew a single certification every 3 years. I think CCIEs are lifetime good, tho.

nigger there is a quad ccie

and afaicr you have to redo the paper test every two years

I don't know what you're talking about, but *coins are a good framework for that because it provides an incentive.

My mistake, I didn't know IE had specializations like Voice or Security, like the lower levels do.

Renew IS 3 years, though, or are you talking about IE?

yeah, I think it has 3 specializations, plus one(maybe 2), that are discontinued

when I was last into cisco it was 2 years, but maybe they changed. NA/NP was 4 or 5 years I think

Move back to using Telnet and dialup servers like the good old days. This time with encryption.

is she over eightteen?

Please help, I don't want to go to jail.

Jesus christ why do all these faggots keep bawwing about ICANN? Nothing bad will happen. ICANN is better off being controlled by UN (an alliance of multiple nations) than by USA alone. If anything, this will make it harder to abuse it to anyone.

Fucking USA loving niggers with their belief that one of the most corrupt and totalitarian governments in the world was keeping the Internet free. Where did faggotry comes from?

If you can't tell, how would the police? Don't be a pussy, just save it

>127.0.0.1:43110/0chan.bit/?Sup Forums
Eh lads... How do you actually get on this site?

Telnet is plain text. Fuck that.

You don't unless you want to join a honeypot that requires negative effort to abuse. If that is the case, you download the proxy server and run it.

Does anyone actually use TOR?
I tried using it a few times and it seemed like a waste of time. If you don't have links to the sites you want to see, what's the point? It's not like you can just jump in and start searching.