Ok my opinion on Star Trek Discovery so far:

Ok my opinion on Star Trek Discovery so far:
It started out as total cringe, the chinese captain was pretty damn bad as a captain figure and the initial talks between the crew were just total cliche "oh gee that guy is always fearful lol, it's his species"... uh da raycis man.
The black woman is okay, also good looking. The story is great imo, a good ole Klingon vs. Federation fight where you can sympathize with both sides.
Plus, the new male captain looks like that guy from the old Star Trek so it seems like it can only get better. I like it.

My rating: 6.5/10

the whole thing is bizarre

Within the first couple of scenes the main characters are already sassing and borderline insulting each other and essentially have no consensus on anything they want to do. And this is a crew that worked together for 7 years.
No idea why they would even give an prominent officer position to a spineless alien that needs to be literally womanhandled every time he opens his mouth.
The first officer (main character) also apparently spends her days overriding others, talking down to them and shoving them aside whenever she feels like it.

There's zero synergy and this is going on in an idealized and utopian future.

Also the entire plan of excusing yourself from the bridge during a crisis situation, then contacting your foster father and using a vague hint (don't they have vulcan-klingon first contact and diplomatic stuff on file?!) from that conversation to assault your captain and attempt to start an interstellar war.

The entire thing is pretty ludicrous.

What kind of a fucking fag doesn't know who Jason Isaacs is
Kys, my dude

that's why I thought that the new captain might normalize the show and make it less cringe. From the promo it looks like he will give the black lady her weird special status which she seems to need to make the show work and he himself will be a kind of outsider maverick type person so in that way, it can all still work okay.
But yeah, the first ship crew was nonsensical in their interactions. I thought she was going to execute some important plan or enhance the ship's shields or whatever, something real. Instead she talks to her dad/mentor and then assaults her captain on his vague historical anecdote. All to enact a plan that was clearly idiotic to begin with. I'm sorry but the asian captain lady was correct, you do not fire on a random ship that hasn't exhibited any hostile action. You could literally start a war that destroys your entire federation and species *on a freaking whimsical intuition*. Based on that episode alone, you would have to call her mentally unstable, maybe they thought that they could get away with it due to her "injuries" but that is just such a dumb excuse.

Michelle Yeoh was mostly wooden as the captain. I, for one, welcome our new Jason Isaacs trek-overlord. Seems like ths show proper is about to start.
Trek openings are usually a bit 1-D, character-wise. Think back to the beginning of DS9 'I'm the greedy ferengi, lol', 'I'm Sisko's annoying son, lol'. They only get good later on. The more on-the-nose characterizations might fade into the background.

>sassing and borderline insulting each other

that's normal in teengirl soapie shows

Also, just to be clear: Her dumbass plan wouldnt have made sense or worked anyway. She fires on that ship and most likely they would be an equal or greater match to them. How is that in the spirit of her dad's anecdote? Clearly when he was talking about Vulcans instilling respect, they didn't mean fighting and then losing.
Secondly she herself said that most likely more klingons are on the way. How does it make sense to destroy a ship when you could be outnumbered at any moment and it would surely lead to war? With a species you dont know anything concrete about no less and who has not fired the first shot.
That random klingon dude attacking her in a space suit does *NOT* count for first aggression, he could be anybody.

>does not do any actual trekking meeting new civilizations
>just angsty arguments and muh hurt feelings

dialogue reminds me of the closer and glee

>Middle of an emergency
>Michael skypes Sarek
>Totally spur-of-the-moment
>Sarek is.....
On the john/making lunch/it's 3am on Vulcan and he's asleep/already in a call/out jogging and on his iphone/meditating/watching porn in another tab and quickle re-buckling his belt

Or just standing next to his computer ready to take the call.

It's the little things.

Overall it looks fine for what it is. A BSG-inspired Trek reboot.

It's only episode 2 and they've already met a load of angry Klingons what more do you want
Jeeze give it a bit and they'll be scanning gaseous anomalies in no time

>Her dumbass plan wouldnt have made sense or worked anyway

you're trying to apply normal logic on the show. being a chick show, it operates on chick logic. for example, it's chick-logical to have first officer share a cabin with a cadet because having talks about love life before sleeping is important in chick shows.

Klingons respect no one more than someone who died in battle.

they've been stating since last year that std will be about a klingon event not about actual star trekking. it's a relationship drama about some secret drama in their history. which is why there are klingons in the regular cast.

>the chinese captain was pretty damn bad as a captain figure
i agree, she seemed to have no real authority.

>Her dumbass plan wouldnt have made sense or worked anyway. She fires on that ship and most likely they would be an equal or greater match to them.

As the first officer she should know the capabilities of their dinky ship is no mach to a klingon one, that is likely built for warfare, which is about 4x larger than theirs and is obviously luring them into some sort of trap.

What is again, most bizarre here is that a Federation ship on a mission to patrol a border area with the Klingon Empire is not well versed in Klingon history, diplomacy and so on.
They are all completely clueless and rely on intuition to "solve" this.
Hell, ALL they did is get an admiral on the holo-phone who told them to stay put.
You'd think they'd start pulling up Klingon-Federation history shit on some screen to at least convey to the audience they are doing some sort of mental work in regards to it.

you're talking about real klingons. std klingons are just negro drag queens pretending to be klingons.

lol

STD is bryan fuller watching the expanse and saying "well, we can do that, too!". it feels less star trek than nutrek.

Idiot, that makes no sense. Klingons respect great *warriors* who died in battle, mostly only their own. In any case you should not concern yourself with what your enemy respects or doesnt respect unless that gives you an advantage over him. Clearly dying in a suicidal fashion to start a war on the off chance that it might instill a huff in one of the klingons who killed you is not the way to go.

> Jeeze give it a bit and they'll be scanning gaseous anomalies in no time

made me laugh lol

I get the impression that the vilcan hello worked for random encounters. Like when a vulcan ship randomly runs into a klingon patrol ship or an exploration vessel or whatever. They're not out looking for a fight. But once the Vulcans show they can be aggressive, shoot first, and hold their ground, the kilngons start to have respect for them because muh warrior culture.
Wouldn't have worked in this instance because Blackula and his albino pal or whatever his name was were out there squaring for a war, and would've gone all out anyway.

who the fuck approved the std klingon design? it's obvious they're designed by a campgay faggot who's never watched a sci-fi show and only watches project runway reality shows.

>And this is a crew that worked together for 7 years.
That's what totally baffled me. At first I was under the impression that the green-eyed guy was a new crew member and still had to learn the ropes, but then you see the flashback and he was already there when Burnham joined the crew. So in 7 years she's never learned to trust his judgement and just pushes him aside to take control of his station whenever it pleases her.

>crew member attacks you and attempts to comendeer your ship
>5 minutes later you're on a mission behind enemy lines with her

whoever wrote this shit needs a bullet

>it's obvious they're designed by a campgay faggot who's never watched a sci-fi show and only watches project runway reality shows.
It's got it's problems but they hardly look campy
You're being ridiculous

They literally hate Federation because they don't like their "We come in peace" shit. If they just blasted them niggers, it would have shown that the federation can be quite Klingon themselves.

don't forget that the only reason the crew member attacked the captain and attempted to commandeer the ship is because her holo-dad told her his crew used to just destroy klingon ships on sight because that's the way they rolled

not to mention that the same crew member decided, in a middle of a crisis, to go chat with her holo dad for a bit

itt shows men will never understand

it's not campy. it's lady gaga.

>also good looking
I mean... maybe for a black chick.

I still don't understand why Giga-Nigga Klingons plan was supposed to work.

So he calls the 24 houses (that conveniently show up at the exact same time) and tell them the Federation is a multi-culti society that wants to conquer? the Klingons.

But at the same time as he is berating the federation for accepting various races he himself accepts the albino Nigger, an outcast, into his house.

If all it took for the Klingon empire to unify was the threat of the federation why did it take 100 years?

>Prequel
Fucking dropped. And this is probably the fucking abrams timeline

what actually would happen:
>they find the blocked out thing in the asteroid field
>not putting the first officer in danger surfing to it, but an experienced space jocked
>if he got attacked like michael did with the same outcome, they hail starfleet command and warp the fuck out of there

not to mention

>captain and first officer leaving ship in a battle theatre to arrest a klingon war lord, getting the captain killed off in hand to hand combat
>not sending a security away team to do it
>"we are star fleet, not soldiers!"
yeah, that's why you have random ships from that sector warp in with enough firepower on them to not fully get rekt by a klingon armada.

Dude, you are seriously advocating for the federation to change all their principles on the off chance that it might have an effect on some other primitive race. You have principles for a reason, because you believe that they are superior in the long run and give you an advantage.
You dont drop your non-aggression policy towards species X just because species X might like it, you subjugate them and force them to adhere to your principles and then in the resulting clash we shall see who's way of life is actually stronger and better. This is how history is made, it is not made by people who forget their own culture the second it is convenient.

>holographic call
>answered instantly
this seems to be a recurring thing in media now

it's not lady gaga at all, whatever that means
They've just lost all their hair, sadly.

Seemed like his argument was more they "they want to slowly infect us with their culture until we're unrecognizable from them" than anything to do with multiculti
Also, the Federation hadn't been a threat in 100 years and still wasn't, he orchestrated the whole encounter to reignite hostilities
It was a sham put together to unite the tribes because he thought the current state of the empire was shitty

That sounds awfully Klingon of you.
The Federation is all about appeasing and respecting other cultures.

>You have principles for a reason

Well this federation clearly doesn't since it:

1. Violates the prime directive in the first 5 minutes of the show
2. Violates sovereign borders by entering Klingon space
3. Booby traps dead bodies which is a warcrime

I liked it

tv is just looking for reasons to hate it, partly because "the internet" and partly because you kids have all become edgy alt-rightists in recent years

OK its occasionally trite in places but what were you expecting, its entry level sci-fi

The writing is fine; take the first scene which I've read scathing indictments of here. It quickly establishes a good working relationship between the capt and n°1, introduces the quite dry humour style (which I like) and even sets out the character types, all without too an overt exposition dump.

The pacing is taking its time, and I already like the Klingons

I'd personally have liked a new Star Trek to go a bit more "Ian M Banks", with super intelligent AIs, and a really unusual crew members, but hey we can't all get what we want

The whole thing is just .... ridiculous.

So giganigga was some bullied chump that also just happened to have a huge historically-important ship literally sitting in his backyard.
He repairs the ship, then ALSO acquires cloaking devices (since everyone is shocked they have them) and uses some crazy-assed light beacon that is apparently as bright as a sun. All the houses have to respond to this THAT INSTANT, even though the leaders might be who knows where in the galaxy at that point.

So basically giganigga just happened to have a "you have to listen to me" plot device on his hands which also happened to be a very powerful ship.
And if all the klingons need is some random bullied klingnigga telling them they need to man up how come nobody did it up to that point? These guys apparently love war and shit, so why not just attack federation ships anyway.
And they somehow managed to restrain themselves for 100 years up to that point?

that's objectively a 7, which means good looking

post her EVA suit ass

YASSS QUEEN SLAY

The most surreal bit is that an old federation woman captain traded blows equally with a full-body CoA haki klingon warrior that no doubt spent his entire life brawling.

...

So why didn't they just teleport black lady in her space suit to the outer most point their teleporter could reach, why did she have to fly all the way there?

They did teleport her back when things went FUBAR so why not teleport her in the first place.

shit man, TV infected me so much that this didnt even stand out to me anymore. This is how women start to think that they are equals, they see it on TV. Same applies to men actually, but in any real fight he would slap her around twice and she's stay down.

>high waisted bandages
dropped

>in a middle of a crisis, to go chat with her holo dad for a bit
>whoever wrote this shit needs a bullet
>she's never learned to trust his judgement
>How is that in the spirit of her dad's anecdote?

these are indications that the writers are soap-opera teengirl-show writers. in those type of shows, what is most important is The Heartfelt Talk the character had which sounds beautiful and poetic but does not logically apply to whatever situation the character is applying it to (like "it hurts but we can't be together because i need to focus on saving you" which is illogical and contradictory wouldn't you have a better chance of saving her if you're together? but girls love that kind of dialogue). and in these type of shows it's not some scientific-based or action-oriented solution that saves the day. it's always some emotional advice. like in charmed, one sister overcomes a spell not by chanting stronger spell or something but because another sister shouts "use your love" or in supergirl where kara stops starship from falling not by getting solar boost or friend firing rockets but by sister mouthing "i believe in you" to her.

basically, std is a girl drama like supergirl.

Other trek shows have silly fights like that too.
Dax takes out a million Klingons.

not to mention
>"let's arrest him to make him a symbol of defeat and don't kill him to become a martyr"
>kill him off in a sudden moment of rage
woman officers in battle, everyone.

it's lady gaga costume

I enjoyed it. But it felt like Voyager, or a TNG movie. Which is to say, it felt like fantasy, or a story or legend being told.

T'Kuvma's plan was kind of fucking stupid because it depended ludicrous timing and luck. If Starfleet didn't roll in during his speech, that would have been pretty awkward. If the council of klingons ignored his beacon, he would have probably immediately lost cloaking technology to Starfleet after the squad showed up. If Starfleet blew up the ancient beacon thing in their territory, he would have been fucked right off the bat. If you take it like he's desperate and this is his big gamble, its fine, but it doesn't make him seem all that threatening.

Which brings me to Michael's hamfisted AS FUCK character development:
>dont kill him that makes him a martyr he probably even wants that
>lol whoops I killed him

I really hope that is why she is treated like shit on the new ship and not muh mutiny. I can't stomach another series of Tom Paris' victim complex.

Also fucking stupid but w/e
>walking in an obvious starfleet symbol shape
>YOU LEAD US IN A CIRCLE???????????

>ethics debate with computer
>cliche as fuck space walk without a suit

>klingons getting wrecked by skinny women that probably have received little to no hand to hand combat training

>that whole klingon children bullying scene because of kahless

The bridge crew was fun, I enjoyed naming them. I'll miss Daft Punk and Reverse Geordi.

Bring back the gratuitous nudity and sexy-massage-time science chamber.
Or whatever the fuck it was called.

Actually if they did somehow break the neck off the ship at that time with a surprise attack, which was her plan, he wouldn't have been able to communicate with all the other ship leaders who wouldn't have united or anything. It would have been a skirmish at most but the entire war would have been prevented.

Still a stupid plan since she wouldn't have known that part.

Dax is a hundreds of years experience in fighting though

>teleport one bomb onto enemy ship
>disables the ship

>not opening fire or teleporting more bombs instantly to finish them off, considering how much damage the klingons inflicted thus far

>instead of sending a fully armed security team to extract the klingon leader, if you really have to do that, send instead the captain and the first officer

yea where the fuck is my decontamination gel scene you fuckers

>everyone expects the chick to be the calm voice of peaceful solutions and understanding and everyone else to be hawkish dicks
>she's actually a might-makes-right, insubordinating asshole that browses starfleet Sup Forums, calling for race wars
I thought you guys would be happy. This is exactly the character you wanted.

why haven't they just launched a automated probe, since the federation is "muh, explorers"? i mean, sending your first officer into a potential hostile unknown because your scanners failed on you is insane.

this is not canon star trek. they plan to stomp all over star trek canon.

i hate it because the show is not real star trek it is clearly a chick drama about her relationships and about klingon family drama. only in a chick drama will you have an officer sharing a cabin with a cadet so that they can have heart-to-heart talks about their love lives and their relationships.

She doesn't fight with a lot of finesse though.
And straight up overpowers some Klingons.

nah it's a general principle of how a clash of cultures/opinions plays out, always everywhere

not only that but send her at incredibly high speeds into a volatile asteroid belt after establishing she only has 20 minutes before radiation reaches critical levels

is t'pol looking at archers dog or archers hot dog?

It's not like we're talking about an idealized society in the far future that transcended principles of old.
Oh wait we do.

this would work on a show with renegade or highly military personel like expanse, but on star trek it's lazy as fuck. i bet they just wanted to make them look as badass as kirk and his boys, but after tng and ds9 it's just stupid.

I didn't think it was out of place at all for there to be that kind of tension in a high stakes situation. It's pretty clear she Burnham learned to be impetuous from the Asian captain and given that she thought the whole crew was about to be killed if she didn't take matters into her own hands (surprise, that's what happened when they didn't fire first like she recommended), it seemed like a normal progression of events. Obviously it could've been handled better (ask the Captain to sit in during the meeting with her and Sarek so she understands) but I don't really see the problem with there being bridge conflict. It felt like Master & Commander in a lot of ways and I'm kind of glad to see more disagreement among crew. That was actually something I wish we saw more of in TNG.

don't expect realistic fights in a chick show. in charmed, the girls would tippy-toe run when demon shows up and that girl uses her power like she's flicking water from her hands. in supergirl, i saw kara running tippy-toe chasing after someone. in twilight the werewolf-vs-vampire fight scene looked like the vampires were punching the air it didn't look like they hit something.

what they focus on is the angsty dialogue.

Aesthetically; JJ would be proud (and he probably creamed his pants with that one blinding lens flare during a conversation on the bridge). Story-wise; meh. It looks like it's going to be an action movie spread across a dozen or so episodes, which means creatively it's gonna be a pretty one note affair. I didn't hate it, but I feel like it's really not gonna go anywhere or do anything Trek-y.

DS9 isn't a chick show.

The science was dumb.

Small consumer telescope would NEVER work better than ship's sensors.

Asteroid fields don't work like that.

Binary stars don't work or look like that.

But hey, it's Star Trek. They have FTL travel and communication, artificial gravity, transporters. Bogus science is part of the charm so I didn't really mind. But if it gets too dumb, you get "red matter makes a black hole inside a planet", and that's really bad.

Wait what? Star trek was always about the central crew members chatting and working through their angst. Just look at the Original Series. Kirk, Spock and Bones are each others therapists. Next generation was basically Piccard being a father figure for Data

Star trek barely even qualifies as sci-fi, some people argue its space opera

>20 minutes or radiation sickness
That was the first indicator for a shit show, pure trash. That's not how radiation sickness works, that's just lazy writers, it's ridiculous.

An exploration mission into "uncharted"/klingon space would have been MUCH more interesting.
>mfw I expected disappointment but I was still disappointed

std is a chick show.

This. If it's all about the Klingon-Federation War, I guess that's fine but it will just resemble DS9/ENT more than TNG/TOS. I think people were hoping for more exploration but I'm not ready to write off that possiblity after two prologue episodes. I think the Klingon stuff will be the recurring arc but I can see a lot of room to deal with other immediate problems as the Discovery adventures kick off.

But I was talking about DS9

The "Michael" thing is an abomination and frankly an embarrassment to Star Trek. CBS clearly spent a shitload of money on this show and there are a lot of good qualities to it but wow, everything about that character to include the actor is atrociously bad.

Judging from the action and lack of romance, it looks like it will appeal more to guys than women. My gf and sister don't have any interest in it but the guys at my work said they'd watch it.

What is this chick show meme? Opening of the series was literally a single unfolding standoff and battle with violent space explosions punctuated by the odd flashback. Yet people act like it was one long montage of girls trying on shoes to a carly rae jepsen song.

lol there are principles of interaction that transcend any societal change you fucking moron. When 2 beings have a 2 opinions, then there is a conflict. End of story you dumb kid.
If you knew anything whatsoever about the federation then you would know that they only accept members who follow their rules. I feel sick just having to type out basic logic structure to a 12 year old.

You sound like someone who didn't watch the anything beyond the trailers.

>chinese captain was pretty damn bad

She was the only character that wasn't completely horrible.

>The black woman is okay

She was the worst. Not just of the show. Of all Star Trek. She's even worse than Wesley. Michael is just a hysterical cunt. She tried to mutiny, but no one was on her side because she was so batshit crazy. They should have killed off Michael and make the captain the main character.

>Reminder; FTL travel is probably impossible

She got better because of the proton DNA mendy machine... so its fiinnnneeee. So long as that device continues to be available, its internally consistent

the difference between soapie girl shows and other shows is how much angsty relationship drama there is per episode. in tos, it's mainly about meeting new life and new civilizations with some feelings talk but bulk of the ep is about the new life or new civilization. std is mainly about the girl's relationship drama and angst and bulk of dialogue is angsty arguments and power plays and schemes and other soapie stuff.

Most of the dorks complaining still haven't watched it. They expected Broad City in space and that's how they'll view it until maybe the third season when they finally tune in. Then they'll claim it only got good by that season.

minutes or radiation sickness
>That was the first indicator for a shit show, pure trash. That's not how radiation sickness works, that's just lazy writers, it's ridiculous.

you dumb cunt, with all the problems in the show you focus on something that is perfectly reasonable. Maybe, just maybe their future medicine has a threshold of radiation that it cant fix anymore?
ur too fukin dumb to think of anything on your own

>Brunham is introduced
>sass
>sass
>sass
>sass some more
>is highly unprofessional and emotional at the drop of a dime
>flashback from 7 years ago, acts exactly like a Vulkan because she was raised like one

What the fuck? Are we to believe that she did a complete character 180° despite spending all her formative years with the Vulkans.

People don't work like that. She should have at least retained a little of her Vulkan autism to make this believable.
Fucking Kurtzman. Not even once.

It's bullshit logic: It stars a girl, that means it's for girls.

Please.

Who cares who they accept into it?
The Federation is happy to leave planets that don't want to join alone. They kept the Klingons alone and wouldn't have done anything if they didn't start to violate their territories.

>She tried to mutiny, but no one was on her side because she was so batshit crazy.
Sounds like she has a lot of room for character development, unlike Wesley Sue. Reminds me more of Ro Laren.

Just finished watching it, Tvumukbu whatever got shot in the back of the neck after impaling the gook bitch on the bridge of his ship.

>But hey, it's Star Trek.
that's the point. especially during the TNG/DS9/VOY era they took pride for being astronomical and physically very accurate, they even had advicers for that. STD is star wars tier, in a bad way.

>She should have at least retained a little of her Vulkan autism to make this believable.
First of all it's Vulcan. Second, she did maintain that autism. That's what the mutiny was about. She was thinking like a Vulcan and wanted to shoot first because Vulcans found out early on that's the only language Klingons speak.

Star Trek Discovery looks terrible, but that being said, hello to Jason Isaacs.

they've stated that there'll be a love interest for her onboard. the writing and the focus on relationship drama is intended for girls. some girls might assume it'll be like tos so not watch. and there're gay guys who like chick dramas.

Trek was always soft sci-fi though. 90s Trek tried but ultimately failed. The whole premise requires such a huge suspension of disbelief in the first place.

the acting is fine, the character itself is just the missing link beween star-wars-rey and expanse-naomi with forced plot armor.

Yeah that was a good scene. Hope that comes up later, maybe with Lorca saying "And that's why we have elite fire teams instead of sending bridge officers into combat."

>I'm like a Vulcan except ruled by my passions ten times as bad as any other human on this ship, but don't worry I still have Mary Sue logic powers that allow me to make absurd deductions that keep the pacing trucking along nicely, just don't think about it goy

I'm just not seeing it. Looks more like political intrigue and ideological clashes. Things that usually wash over for most women.