James Cameron doubles down on Wonder Woman

> Yes, I'll stand by that. I mean, she was Miss Israel, and she was wearing a kind of bustier costume that was very form-fitting. She's absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. To me, that's not breaking ground. They had Raquel Welch doing stuff like that in the '60s. It was all in a context of talking about why Sarah Connor — what Linda created in 1991 — was, if not ahead of its time, at least a breakthrough in its time. I don't think it was really ahead of its time because we're still not [giving women these types of roles].

hollywoodreporter.com/features/james-cameron-doubles-down-wonder-woman-critique-details-avatar-sequels-1043026

CAMERON NO!

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That just sounds like a fancy way of calling Linda Hamilton ugly.

>She's absolutely drop-dead gorgeous

Huh, even James Cameron is wrong sometimes

>guru of Sup Forums is an absolute raging SJW faggot that has never made a good movie in all his life

not suprised

I really don't understand his point he is making.

the character of Wonder Woman is not groundbreaking in terms of feminism

That Wonder Woman is not a breakthrough like Hollywood is painting it

Gadot is a barbie doll and Sarah Connor is a FAMAS.

The guy's big break came from running a low voltage electrical current through a dismembered arm to make the maggots move on a Roger Corman picture, what did you expect?

>Fucks Linda
>Still calls her ugly

I didn't think James could get better

brainlet

>it wasn't ahead of its time because it still isn't happening
That's literally what ahead of its time means, Jim.

He's absolutely right. Pretty feminine women in leading roles even in action movies have been around since the 60s-70s, but Hollywood now wants to make every new female character the new feminist hero that smashes the patriarchy, even though it's nothing new.

if it never happens, it's not ahead of its time

really makes one think

BASED JIM does it again.

No James. We aren't going to use your retarded time travel here.

She's too pretty to be cool.

That's basically it.

Of course Jimmy boy is oblivious to the sexism of claiming that.

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>tfw to dumb to understand Cameron

WW is overrated.

being a pretty hero isn't revolutionary.

it's not a great position to be arguing, it's not really the point of the movie or her character, but I don't think Jim really cares.

Neither should you.

>tfw Avatar makes 4x times more money than Wonder Woman

*Abatap 2

Raimi Spider-Man > James Spider-Man

I won't ever defend Wonder Woman over Terminator 2, but WW is a better movie than anything Cameron has released in the last 20 years.

The Butthurt Hatening

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Wonder Woman was nothing special, action schlock with a dumb plot, a least Avatar had cool cgi.

He's right

Digging his own grave.

Cancer try to push wonder womyn as some kind of icon. True to cancer but it seems Cameron disagree.

/ourguy/

he's saying that the point of a good action female character is not portraying a female as a regular male character as Gadot was in that movie
characters like Ripley and Sarah relied on their most feminine traits to overcome their odds - this is empowering women
Gal Gadot relied on being invincible and the main character

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is total non-news unless you're a normie fag concerned with pegging someone as either SJW or woman-hating-nazi. The world is more than black & white and I don't see the benefit in picking apart this guy's reasonable opinion.

Gadot was not a "regular male character" in WW. that makes no sense. her whole deal was being a woman from an island of women who only grew up with women and were ignorant of men.

MANSPLAINING IN 2017

you didn't get the point
the point is she overcomes her odds by behaving like a regular male action character does - this isn't female empowering, it's just molding women as men
WW has been praised by radical feminists because that's exactly what they believe however, that the liberated woman behaves just like a man
this is what Jim was tackling

Avatar was so goddamn boring.

the worst part is that on the surface it looks like she is behaving like a female character. but it actually is just like male characters.

>I will defeat defeat you with the power of love!
Oh so feminine

>*just pulls a deus ex machina and obliterates the bad guy with a lightning bolt*

WW was an acceptable movie, nothing more. It excelled only at not failing, and sexists, ignorant to the internalized misogyny of their own lowered expectations, have been showering themselves with attaboys and good boy/girl points for blindly lauding mediocrity.

But the way she succeeds is by being practically invincible. Theres nothing womanly about her except being played by a woman. Sarah Connor and Ripley feel like female characters.

Its pretty dumb criticism because shes a superhero, but its only his response to retarded media calling her an empowering character. Empowering to those retards just means untouchable and flawless. They dont want real characters because that would imply flaws.

you're so dumb is painful

This movie is popular because of SJW politics. They see the fact that it features a female superhero protagonist as the main qualification for its greatness - the additional stamp of authenticity comes from it being directed by a woman (nevermind that the story is created and written by men).

The film plays to the fantasy of "a woman is capable of ANYTHING" to the extent we're meant to believe that such a scrawny and naive protagonist is a badass warrior who can take out multiple soldiers. It's like casting Michael Cera as Batman, creating tons of CGI fight sequences and saying "Yeah, he totally did that." It's delusional. At least Sarah Connor in T2 looked like she could knock somebody out - and what made her believable was that she was actually vulnerable. Wonder Woman played the game with god mode enabled.

I love ww. My wife gets to feel like a stronk wymon and I get a new Blu-ray of soft core cape porn to jerk off to.

I dont understand why this isn't a win-win for everyone? She is wearing a tight leather outfit from the island of beautiful lesbians because even real world 300 pound sjw women with short blue hair and face tattoos understand what beauty is. So long as the character fights according to thief ideals they will accept it having the idealized beauty that would have been admired by the Nazis. What's next? Superman has to be portrayed by a 400pound man with down syndrome otherwise he is an example of toxic masculinity?

exactly, if you compare her to Linda or Ripley or many other female characters she's just a cardboard cutout of what a woman is supposed to be
if you have nothing to say you should just not reply

>the point is she overcomes her odds by behaving like a regular male action character does
you mean flying towards and punching the bad guy? wow. so gendered.

>that the liberated woman behaves just like a man
but she doesn't. she deliberately disobey's her male partner's order and goes alone to save that beseiged village because muh Love, muh Poor Villagers.

she's portrayed as more caring for civilians because she's unaccustomed to the barbarity of man.

>It's not about deserve.
>It's about what you believe.
>And I believe in love.
This was pretty much her character motivation in a nutshell. It's supposed to highlight how her femininity distinguishes her against the landscape of cruelty she experiences in the land of men.

It's cliché, but you hardly see men heroes say this at the climax of their movies.

>feel like female characters

In Alien and Terminator, which they are essentially survivors of a horror movie.

In Aliens and T2, they are literally men with vaginas arming up with machine guns.

>WW was an acceptable movie, nothing more.

Which is more than could be said about anything that Cameron has released in the past 20 years. Avatar was mediocre and Titanic was dogshit.

>make reddit butthurt
>don't understand the point

So WW "acted like a man" and so she isn't ground breaking but Sara Connor acted like a woman to get what she needed and so she is more feminist?

Why didn't WW just flash her boobs and flirt with the Germans and let the boys do the mans work of taking out the machine guns and saving the village? Is that what you wanted? Would that have made her more feminist for you?

Wonder Woman is being hailed as a great icon for women, while it's really nothing special.

>cool cgi

that movie was a disaster.

The problem isn't the movie, it's how it's being praised.

I agree. There's nothing groundbreaking with Wonder Woman. She's just a sex symbol who fights.

I don't mind this at all. But anyone who thinks this is any form of progress is naive.

>tfw faggots didn't even read trips of this fag

Compare Avatar's CGI to Wonder Woman's CGI. And that shit came out 8 years ago.

Are females really this dumb?

You tellin me she charged across 300 yards of heavily defended open ground, disabled 3 Kraut machine gun crews and then liberated an entire village from the Germans? Welp, I dont know what the fuck a progressive feminist is but she sounds like My-Kind-of-Woman/10

Wonder Woman is the Titanic of capeshit

Can't disprove this

Isn't it the highest grossing film of all time?

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agree with this, but it's progressive mostly because of the context in which it exists: it's a high budget modern tentpole superhero film that exists within a cinematic universe, and it's directed by a woman, which had been rare in itself. That's mostly what makes the film progressive rather than the actual content.

I wouldn't downplay that woman who directed Punisher though. That's a much better film in almost every aspect.

But I guess it is a male-centric film, about men, largely for the hardcore action film demographic, which is men.

you sound like you belong on Sup Forums

>I wouldn't downplay that woman who directed Punisher though. That's a much better film in almost every aspect.

Too bad she's a full on retarded SJW now.

>2020

this is fucking absurd. Someone fucking slap his man

Imagine making 5 films about fucking Avatar

Imagine...

>Imagine making 5 movies in the world you created with dedication and the studio just gives you money without any questions

how depressing

He's not wrong.

Being pretty and physically strong at the same time is not new or groundbreaking. It hasn't had a cultural effect since Terminator.

Cameron is going to lose his SJWbux from this and his magnum opus Avatar 23456 is going to be canceled after 2 so his career is over now haha.

>a bunch of jews and crying womyn mad that he talked about their imaginary hero will stop Jim

hahaha

It could be taken as a low-key insult, but the point is she wasn't sexualized and she wasn't a sex symbol.
She was a strong female character 25 years ago, much more so than Wonder Woman this year.

I don't understand. For years the critique against female superheroes and the comic industry in general is that women are objectified; that no matter their character they are made to be supermodels posing in glorified bikinis and spandex leotards. But then James Cameron says "Yes, WW was a good movie, but it's still a male fantasy, she's still sexually objectified." and he gets hated on for pointing out that WW is still running through a war zone in a skirt and halter top and being played by a beauty queen, and that half the movie is her falling in love with a man explaining to WW how the world works.

He could have been more diplomatic about his opinion or better yet just don't talk about politics in Hollywood but he's correct.

Cameron is just being contrarian. Hes saying that Hollywood isnt feminist ENOUGH. Hes just shitting on WW, but saying that women need more badass roles in Hollywood.

Its probably just publicity.

WW was just another superhero movie, and desu was really disappointing with the boring plot.

I'm surprised Cameron is even wasting his time giving this much attention to it.

He's saying that Wonder Woman is not progressive enough

he's saying the opposite

He named Israel. Now I'm worried for Jim's safety

Why does Kill Bill get completely ignored by both sides in this stupid debate? It's like the ultimate female power fantasy with mass appeal for everybody. Far better movie than WW or T2.

It all started when he was promoting Terminator 2 in 3D and to mention how Sarah was groundbreaking he compared to Wonder Woman who is just more of the same.

Even the interviewer said she would probably not even include that bit because she didn't think anybody would care about that.

BUT HOW DARE YO U CRITICIZE WONDER WOMAN IN THE CURRENT YEAR

Now they want even more headlines and went after him. Good for him for keeping his opinions.

>being dumb

because nobody cares and Beatrix is unironically worse than both Wonder Woman and Sarah Connor. And she's also exactly like a 70s exploitation flick character, nothing groundbreaking.

we live in a world where wonder woman is considered a good movie

she's a fucking psycho only trying to get revenge on other psychos.

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Kiddo is an Oscar worthy character next to the paper thin rat faced flat chest lady or John's mom who has the face of Steven Tyler. Kids these days have become total fairies.

You're so wrong. Ridley was written as a make character and cast as a woman very late. The point of her is that she acts as any other soldier would, not that she defeats the alien through her feminine wiles. Wtf.

Cameron is saying Linda Hamilton was a compelling action star in Terminator 2 because she was strong and gritty. Gal is pretty, but looks like she couldn't take a punch. When female action stars start looking tough and muscular, then Hollywood will have finally caught up to fucking 1991 and what Hamilton and Cameron did in T2.

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>The point of her is that she acts as any other soldier would, not that she defeats the alien through her feminine wiles. Wtf.
that's her strong point, she is described like the underdog that she is and overcomes the most impossible odds by sheer survival.
Survival and endurance are the quintessential feminine traits, and not only in literature but in theater and other mediums as well. They are what makes real life women strong.

>this much honesty

>expecting coherency from roasties

They would agree with him if the movie flopped, saying that that was the reason

Jim doesn't even need the studio's money but they give it to him anyway. BASED.

shitty character who only wants revenge

>So as much as I applaud Patty directing the film and Hollywood, uh, "letting" a woman direct a major action franchise

my fucking sides

WW is a cookie cutter superhero looking to save the planet and Sara Connor is some diner slut turned mental patient who knows how to shoot a gun, wow those characters so deep.

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Nice femminist lense retard.

She is a man with tits. Nomatter how much you hamster around it.

Intredasting

Wonder Woman = look at me I'm a woman and a feminist saving the world from a imaginary character

Sarah Connor = doesn't matter that I'm a woman. I'm going to stop the real enemy which is Artificial Intelligence from sending off nukes and the rise of machines to end the human race

I would unironically rather watch that movie than a man with a cunt beeing praised as a femminist icon.

Your penis envy knows no bounds. You have to reject your femininity since you are so atrocious by design. Blame your mothers and your diet or something and piss off cunt.