Also it's not like the average citizens life would even really change under Empire rule.
Justin Morales
>1. Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. Relativity doesn't really work with atrocities like that.
>2. The rebels where literally terrorists. They blew up a machine twice. Would it be ok for antifa to blow up a cop car? It would be okay for antifa to blow up a cop car that was being used to kill innocent civilians en masse.
>3. The economic well being and personal security for an average citizen in the galaxy became better after the Empire took over from the Republic. Wrong. Why was there no equivalent to the Rebel Alliance during Republic times? The Confederacy doesn't count because it was a proxy war.
>4. The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation and political deadlocking I'll give you this one, I guess.
>5. The empire literally destroyed pirates and secured key trade routes. They didn't do a very good job. Jabba lives in a fucking palace.
>6. They banished the huts to some remote corner of the galaxy. Jabba was always based on Tatooine, just look at The Phantom Menace.
>7. Aldaraan was literally North Korea. lol
Angel Evans
Americans are so fucking retarded
Asher White
I don't think anyone disagrees that the rebels were a group of terrorists and criminals. Hell they even employed a drug dealer like Han Solo in their ranks.
Brayden Ross
>Relativity doesn't really work with atrocities like that. In terms of scale it does.
>It would be okay for antifa to blow up a cop car that was being used to kill innocent civilians en masse. Your definition of "innocents" do not allow you to descend into anarchy and blow up technology made from the system just because you don't like it
>Wrong. Why was there no equivalent to the Rebel Alliance during Republic times? The Confederacy doesn't count because it was a proxy war. Why where there no snowflakes in the 70's and 80's?
>They didn't do a very good job. Jabba lives in a fucking palace. Scale.
>Jabba was always based on Tatooine, just look at The Phantom Menace. Jabba was always based on Tatooine but he had reach far over the galaxy.
>lol Literally North Korea may have been a stretch but Aldaraan was the Empire's greatest active antagonist. The survival of the Empire needed Aldaraan to be destroyed. It would have been destroyed regardless if the princess was from there.
Isaac Cox
Also this.
Han Solo was literally a criminal drug dealer/smuggler.
Eli Evans
Oh look! Some faggot just watched Clerks! Hi, faggot!
Sebastian Miller
>can't rebel because you'd be breaking the law fug I really hate this bullshit where any non-sanctioned act of war or rebellion is "terrorism".
Aiden Russell
Authority exists for a reason you hippie.
I'd rather have computers and boot lickers than be some fucking hunter gatherer treenigger.
Julian Clark
>the fact that there are lots of planets means its morally justified to kill millions
ok edgelord. Great argument.
Lincoln Gutierrez
All bullshit "points". You don't get a refutation because you don't deserve it. Kill yourself.
Again it's no different then blowing up a city that is harboring terrorists you dense nigger.
Cooper Edwards
All your points are negated when one remembers that the ruler of the empire is an immortal wizard who worships something called "The Dark Side", shoots lightning from his fingertips, and is openly malevolent to the people of the galaxy.
fucking reddit cuck trying to use aged Clerks-speak and bring in autistic relativism to a fucking space opera.
Isaiah Green
Reminder the Jedi did nothing for thousands of years while greedy warmongers were dividing up the galaxy.
Also the dark side is just a name.
Also not respecting might makes right or survival of the fittest.
Fucking god damn hippies.
Christopher Morales
Uhhhhh
The empire is a white (human) supremacist organization.
Check your privilege you cis white fucking SHIT.
Brody Reed
What did the Empire do wrong after they took over the galaxy? Sure, Jedi got genocided but no one gave a damn about them except an old man in bumfuck nowhere and we never got an idea what the Empire actually did except for a few military installations here and there.
Was it the Empire's tax policy?
Noah Gonzalez
This. Maybe not 100% wrong, but OP managed to at least get 95% wrong.
Brandon Gonzalez
Please tell me the math that you just made up about this fictional setting for a kid's movie.
Samuel Sanders
Explain Thrawn who is still canon.
Samuel Ward
The galaxy has a population of 100 quadrillion. Aldaraan has a population of 2 billion.
Earth has a population of 7.5 billion. Some random bumfuck town in the middle east with an equal ratio of aldaraan:galaxy would have a population of 2000.
Juan Robinson
>1. Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. It would be like nuking a major city. >2. The rebels where literally terrorists. They blew up a machine twice. Would it be ok for antifa to blow up a cop car? Like the other dude said... yes, it would, if the cops were serving the interests of a brutal government that had taken power through deceit and violence and was ruled by a sadist dictator. >3. The economic well being and personal security for an average citizen in the galaxy became better after the Empire took over from the Republic. >4. The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation and political deadlocking >5. The empire literally destroyed pirates and secured key trade routes. >6. They banished the huts to some remote corner of the galaxy. >7. Aldaraan was literally North Korea. No evidence for any of these.
Cameron Sanders
>The galaxy has a population of 100 quadrillion. Where'd you get that? Fucking Wookieepedia?
Aaron Garcia
Imagine giving this much of a fuck about an overrated set of movies
Dylan Reyes
>Wookieepedia that name makes me giggle every time
Tyler Reed
>Mitth'raw'nuruodo,[3] better known as Thrawn, was a Chiss[1] male[2] who hailed from the Unknown Regions, a dangerous and uncharted region of the galaxy. >Chiss male
Um, sorry sweetie
Oliver Campbell
The biggest travesty is that according to the films (which is now considered the only cannon) after the empire was defeated the new government didn't bother creating any kind of military and a new organization was allowed to popup and somehow become more powerful than the empire ever was. Oh and the good guys only win because a mary sue teams up with a brand new rebel group that was formed for absolutely no reason
Ayden Hughes
>what is expanded universe.
Grayson Russell
>Like the other dude said... yes, it would, if the cops were serving the interests of a brutal government that had taken power through deceit and violence and was ruled by a sadist dictator.
Dude like fuck the system man, peace and weed dude.
Jeremiah Wilson
Some stuff I don't give a shit about.
Gavin Collins
He isn't white and he ain't human, you never said anything about gender. What about the spy from a New Hope?
Even that case, explain the new MC for Battlefront 2.
Logan Anderson
>Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. Not really. It would be more like wiping out a country. When you destroy a world, you destroy its civilization. You destroy its culture. If you wipe out a city in Egypt, Egyptian culture would survive. It's a little different when you blow up a planet.
Didn't bother reading further.
Connor Mitchell
Except it's literally true in the Star Wars universe.
Jace Baker
The mouse canon has done a decent job in showing that the civil war has always been close imo. But that's not an excuse for episode 7.
Kevin Lewis
When are we going to see the other Empire splinter factions? First Order is boring except for the Knights of Ren.
Oliver Diaz
Honestly disney being the kikes they are will probably have some Netflix series showing the immediate aftermath of the fall of the empire, exploring various factions and remnants of the empire. And it will be critically acclaimed because it's a "gritty" star wars. Just remember you heard it on Sup Forums first.
Levi Walker
>which is now considered the only canon I wonder how long it will take before most SW fans quietly just forget the Disney canon ever happened. I don't care about what's canon and what isn't, but Disney's contributions are such pure shit that I can't imagine them surviving in people's imaginations much longer than the movies are in theaters.
Liam Adams
Fuck that, we need to have an Old Republic series.
Jaxon Peterson
>In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. What a retard
Samuel Brooks
Nu-SW was created with the sole purpose of selling merchandise to the type of people who post on facebook about how nerdy they are. If you ever had a teacher in highschool that tried to talk to the class about new TV shows and movies he is who they studied when they were planning out these new films
Benjamin King
>waaah humans are precious and therefore we can't practice hegemony and galactic expansion
Gavin Kelly
"Real" star wars will be tossed down the memory hole. Disney Wars will be all that's left, it'll just take a little time.
Luis James
>drop a bomb in japan that kills 14k people and counting >dont worry, it will deter war that killed 2m before and it was a humane thing to do. >some caveman was able to fly a plane into a tower built to withstand impact and not burn. kills 3k people >america spends 10 years killing 300k and more people trying to hunt that guy. spent half not even in the area they should be looking. >its ok because theyre terrorists. all of them. every single one. white people
William Edwards
I know someone here has Virgin Stormtrooper vs Republic chad clone here.
Parker Baker
>he thinks the war was because of revenge >he thinks the attack was because of Osama >he thinks Osama did it
Camden Nguyen
1. Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. Habitable planets with good connections to hyperspace routes are more valuable than any run-of-the-mill barren rock. 2. The rebels where literally terrorists. They blew up a machine twice. Would it be ok for antifa to blow up a cop car? If a Dodge Challenger could kill everyone on Earth in less than a second, destroying it is probably a safe bet if it can't be locked down. 3. The economic well being and personal security for an average citizen in the galaxy became better after the Empire took over from the Republic. That's hard to gauge and is probably untrue given how well off things were even in the Clone Wars. You can't judge the galaxy off of Coruscant the same way you can't judge America from New York, it's a concentration of shit. 4. The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation and political deadlocking Fair. 5. The empire literally destroyed pirates and secured key trade routes. 6. They banished the huts to some remote corner of the galaxy. >What is Hutt Space >What is the largest extra-national entity in the galaxy only rivaled by the later Imperial Remnant Remove space slug. 7. Aldaraan was literally North Korea. The Chiss are shilling here.
Carter Wright
Earth is the only planet we have.
The star wars galaxy has 50 million.
Hunter Price
1 - alderaan was a big planet, also the hometown of the main home planet of the biggest opposition to palpatine.
2. - A cop car wouldnt blow up every single major city which is opposing the goverment.
3. - False. Non humans were treated badly, and most of them were forced to work as slaves.
4. - True but at what price? It is like worshiping best korea.
5. - Same as 4.
6. No info about this in the new cannon since EU was destroyed.
7. Your mom
Consensus: You are a faggot who likes to get some Yous.
Noah Turner
Yes, but world destroying tech is rare in that period of Star Wars.
James Campbell
>Life is so common in the galaxy that mass murder of millions/billions is okay >still whines about "terrorists" who kill magnitudes less (and always combatants at that) This, my friends, is classic cognitive dissonance. It's okay when the empire kills more people than live on Earth as we speak, because there are other people out there so it'd hardly a drop in the bucket. Meanwhile, somehow a few stormtroopers getting killed here or there is a big deal, even though by the same logic, "lol there's thousands of other planets and billions of people it's just a few troopers lol"
Kill yourself, brainlet
Luis Martin
Yes my argument falls apart in disney canon. It is assuming EU canon. In EU the average citizen had a better life under the empire than they did under the Republic.
Dominic James
The empire blew up Aldaraan because Aldaraan was fucking with the Empire.
The rebels blew up the Death star since "war is bad man"
Samuel Bennett
The rebels blew up the Death Star because it was a weapon of mass destruction wielded by the Machiavellian sadist who had lied to the entire galaxy, then taken it over by force decades previously.
Aiden Clark
Would it be ok for some rebels to blow up the Manhattan project since "nukes are bad man"
Leo Williams
If the Manhattan project was going to deliver a nuclear arsenal into the hands of a Machiavellian sadist who had lied to the entire country, then taken it over by force, then yes, it would be more than ok.
Jacob Myers
Die hippie scum
Daniel Collins
>Aldaraan was fucking with the Empire Correction, a tiny minority of the people on Alderon were fighting against a lawless, violent military dictatorship built upon lies, betrayal, and murder. Since when is it okay to kill millions of innocent members of a larger group to get at the tiny number of people you actually want. It'd be like burning down the entirety of a major city just because the you didn't like how the mayor's secretary treated you before a meeting. It's also an insane inversion of the blackstone formulation, and it's telling that you see nothing wrong in a world where you could be instantly vaporized just because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time and a space nazi isn't good with numbers.
Hell, in a universe with common and widespread FTL travel, there would have been plenty of offworlders, traders, missionaries, tourists on Alderaan who had nothing to do with the rebellion. Would you be fine with the USAS carpetbombing actual American citizens abroad just to stop "turrurism"(when they're killing 10,000 innocent bystanders for every 1 actual guilty rebel)? Don't bother answering, I already know you're an idiot and a bootlicker. Don't ever respond to one of my posts again.
Jonathan White
The empire blew it up since they empire would be better off blowing it up and they have the capability to do so.
Might makes right you fucking hippie.
Luis Myers
You're not getting the point, Swedecuck
You're retarded for wanting to spare the enemy civilians altogether
Nuke em
It's what a hydrogen bomb + air burst was designed to do, fry people and destroy cities
Jason Lewis
samefag
Christopher Scott
Not an argument.
Justin Bennett
>Might makes right you fucking hippie. Then why are you whining about the destruction of both death stars and the BTFO of the empire in ROTJ? If you truly believed "might makes right", then that'd make the rebels "right", since they overthrew the empire. Obviously, you don't believe might makes right, you just say that when your favorite side goes around genociding its enemies, but you whine like a bitch when your enemy's might proves superior. Your worldview is laughable and riddled with inconsistencies.
GK chesterton once wrote that the true mark of the savage was that he laughs when he hurts you, but howls when you hurt him. The violent hypcorite. >Haha, kill em all >Blow up the planet, might makes right, fuckers >What?!? THey can't blow up my space station, IM IN CHARGE HERE >Goddammit only im allowed to kill anyone Silly bitch
I warned you about responding to my post. >calling anyone else cuck while defending a violent authoritarian empire (that loses the war) cuck
Jace Bennett
The rebels only won since thats the movie thing to do.
A real death star would have a far more elaborate exhaust system.
Brody Nelson
This. The thread doesn't even need to continue. OP has been definitively eviscerated.
Xavier Perez
>A real death star would have a far more elaborate exhaust system. oh, we have a graduate of Moon Sized Battle Stations Engineering programme here?
Dominic Carter
>peace is bad
Hunter Ross
>peace is more desirable than progression
Adrian Ward
How are trade routes even a thing in the future? Like nigga just fucking warp the shit to the destination
Matthew Wilson
>progression >everything looks shittier and worse from the prequels to the original trilogy >the empire doesn't actually do anything of value or create anything other than weapons I'll take peace
Carter Butler
>movies made in the 2000's look better than movies made in the 80's
Justin Thompson
Pathetic.
Ayden Stewart
>Why where there no snowflakes in the 70's and 80's? there were called punks as in punkrockers you dunderhead
Jackson Rogers
Something about obstacles when you exit hyperspace.
Jose Johnson
How so?
Samuel Mitchell
>It would be okay for antifa to blow up a cop car that was being used to kill innocent civilians en masse.
Funnily enough that's the exact reason antifa uses to justify their violence on police
Asher Murphy
Before JJ Abrams took a big dump on it, big objects in hyperspace cast a "shadow" which would take you out of hyperspace (and in case of stars would probably leave you in a zone full of radiation and gravity that would pull you into the star). So a safe route has to be calculated by the computer for an approach from one point to another and it's not unreasonable that some of those routes would be very well known.
>in the future Long, long time ago...
Jason Walker
You got blown the fuck out, then you decide to defend your imaginary version of the empire.
Joseph Gonzalez
Too bad that it isn't reality unlike Star Wars
Connor Brooks
The Fel Empire was clearly the best.
>inb4 not canon
Charles Thomas
>1. Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east. Millions of people live there. Leia said herself it's a peaceful planet, they have no weapons. This is specifically outlawed in the Geneva Convention. >2. The rebels where literally terrorists. They blew up a machine twice. Would it be ok for antifa to blow up a cop car? If the cop car was built exclusively to murder entire cities, yes. >3. The economic well being and personal security for an average citizen in the galaxy became better after the Empire took over from the Republic. The economic well-being of 1930s Germany got slightly better after they murdered 1/6th their population and stole all the resources, but that doesn't excuse mass genocide. >4. The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation and political deadlocking If one man has power, he will abuse it. Which is what happened. Did you read these points on a Reddit meme? >5. The empire literally destroyed pirates and secured key trade routes. For personal gain. You don't see the U.S. government just outright murdering smugglers. Okay, bad example. >6. They banished the huts to some remote corner of the galaxy. Which was how they were able to operate on secure trade routes and assist pirates. >7. Aldaraan was literally North Korea. Aldaraan was literally Canada.
Hunter Fisher
>Millions of people live there. Leia said herself it's a peaceful planet, they have no weapons. This is specifically outlawed in the Geneva Convention.
1. Scale. Millions in the galaxy is like thousands on earth.
2. A woman said something therefore it's true
3. Geneva exist in Star Wars
Justin Anderson
>Aldaraan was literally Canada A planet full of shitposters? Well shit, I guess the Empire was justified then.
Carter Cook
>best empire >beaten by this edgelord
Charles Cooper
>made up of tough as nails veterans of one of the bloodiest wars in galactic history >bolstered by the best Jedi >specialized Jedi killers >literally infinite fleet and perfectly hidden base from the Star Forge >not total edgelords >immensely powerful and well loved Jedi/Sith at the helm, inspires true loyalty and is one of the best tacticians to ever exist >kept the Republic intact through his conquest >nearly took over the galaxy, from there could have wiped out the True Sith, ushering in millennia of peace and preventing ToR from ever happening
Revan's Sith Empire is the best.
Aiden Rogers
literally who nigger
Jace Carter
>mfw all the rebtard sympathizing scum ITT are currently having their IPs traced by Imperial authorities and will be dragged kicking and screaming into the "interrogation" rooms about some random planet no one gave a shit about
What's it like being on the wrong side of history?
Thomas Allen
>being this much of a contrarian star wars is an obvious good vs evil morality tale. it's like rooting for the devil in the bible.
Angel Young
still holds a lightsaber like a dumb-ass
Dominic Morales
>mfw that 32 BBY election salt from all the libcucks on commie planets >mfw based palpi BTFO the senate cucks >mfw we still have 3000:1 K:D ratio against the the rebel terrorists >mfw they had to frame /ourguy/ vader with palpis assassination
Andrew Clark
>1. Alderaan was a planet in a fucking galaxy. In terms of scale it is no different than dropping a bomb in some random city in the middle east.
Alderaan was actually quite influential and politically relevant, they were also one of the main contributors of conventionally trained soldiers to the Alliance rather then just random terrorists and smugglers. its less like blowing up some random shithole in Kandahar Province and more like blowing up Iran and the entire Revolutionary Guard (or to be more politically accurate since the majority of terrorist organisations are Sunni, more like blowing up Saudi Arabia)
>2. The rebels where literally terrorists. They blew up a machine twice. Would it be ok for antifa to blow up a cop car?
in the first case it was a legitimate conventional warfare maneuver considering the Empire were engaging first. in that case the pilots were mostly from the civilized parts of the galaxy and fighting as a coherant military force.
>3. The economic well being and personal security for an average citizen in the galaxy became better after the Empire took over from the Republic.
This is largely true
>4. The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation and political deadlocking
Also true, democracy is shit and the CIS were entirely justified in their rebellion because of it. the republic was responsible for several atrocities, Grevious' own race was genocided because of Republic legislation.
>5. The empire literally destroyed pirates and secured key trade routes.
sure
>6. They banished the huts to some remote corner of the galaxy.
actually the Empire and Hutt space had a non aggression pact, the Hutts were basically given free reign to space jew things up
>7. Aldaraan was literally North Korea.
nah like i said, more like Saudi Arabia
David Flores
>The empire literally destroyed the bureaucracy that was causing technological stagnation Source? Apart from your ass, obviously.
Angel Carter
8. its a childrens movie not meant to be seriously analysed