So I just got done reading that new shit-heap of Venom. It's edgy, cringey and overall a piece of shit, now a try-hard pussy version of Flash thompson is acting all hardcore and the symbiote suddenly pussies out of the driver seat.
Where the fuck is Flash Thompson and who greenlit this jackass to write the worst Venom concept I've ever read.
This is almost as bad as agetn Toxin.
Fuck it, time to show you how bad this actually is
VENOM#1 story time.
It seems like it might go somewhere interesting....
But then you realize the guy who wrote this is a hack.
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We know user. We know. Also, Monday(?) Symbiote General?
But user! Mike Costa says he's a big fan and that this is his love letter to Venom.
Lets see where edgy Steven Segall does next!
Well I didn't and I want everyone to know how bad it is so they don't go out and buy this piece of shit. I can already call what this guy's gonna do next. More on that later....
Speaking of later, wish I had a sacnner, Remender's Agent run was ace.
He's an idiot who doesn't understand Venom, he shows that through out this shit heap, that this guy is just a watered down version of Flash who is less compelling as a character and is just being edgy as fuck. It's not even a new concept, we had Mac as bad contrast Venom already, speaking of, look who's here!
AndI don't mean mac was bad, i mean he was a badguy venom. for what it's worth hewas a neat Venom because of his role in the bigger story at the time.
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>uncle tombstone
>but now here uncle tombstone means female supervillian
I don't even understand this.
Oh wait, I posted that outta order, oh well, not like this deserves respect anyway.
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What the fuck did he even do to that guys head? Crushed it? the fuck is going on?
Symbiotefags deserve this for being the extremely whiny cunts, desu.
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>ow the edge
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That's it for this shit show.
What a load.
>and who greenlit this jackass to write the worst Venom concept I've ever read.
I agree. I have been struggling to understand why someone would think this a good Venom concept. You're changing the host from one that was very well-liked by fans to a completely new character. And this new character is an unlikable edgy scumbag. If Marvel felt that Flash was the reason for Space Knight's low sales (even though he really wasn't) then they should have just had Eddie Brock be Venom again or fuck take advantage of Clone Conspiracy and bring back Ann Weying and have her be She-Venom again.
Also this book has been promoted as bringing Venom back to his roots. However I wouldn't say that's true, because I don't think Venom wasn't portrayed as being just a big evil brute. There was more to Brock Venom than that. This book feels like it's going more for Mac Gargan Venom. And Mac Gargan Venom was one of the most disliked Venoms!
I will say that the concept does have one unique thing about it: it flips the symbiote and host relationship. That, at the very least, is different from anything we've seen before.
They whine the same as any other fanbase, except maybe Spidey fans who are constantly being cucked by Bendis.
>Bendis
What did Bendis do this time? I thought Spiderfags loved him because of Ultimate Spider-Man and that Slott is spidefags' enemy #1.
So here's what's gonna happen, Gargan's being set up as a reoccuring character. He's probably gonna find the symbiote and bond to it again and Lee here's gona be all like "nooooooo" and symbiote will go bak to him like a bttered housewife because it still believes he has a chance.
Then the little shit that burnt his house down is gonna be hunted by yours truly and become a main antagonist because fire hurts Venom. Then Lee will snap his neck.
>except maybe Spidey fans who are constantly being cucked by Bendis.
Don't forget Slott.
Space knight's sales were low because Venom isn't a space knight, he wasn't even set up properly he was shot into space by Bendis because he's a jackass of a writer. The agent Venom books sold rather well when they were written by remender.
For fucks sake, the book was around for a while Flash was Venom since 2011, that's a long god damned time.
>bringing Venom back to his roots
It's like this guy saw a t-shirt of Venom at hot topic and figured he knew what Venom was all about. He started as a Spidey anti-thesis and quickly became an anti hero. This is not even close to og Venom. Closer to Gargan, but Gargan was actually a likeable scumbag with a shorter tenure as Venom/Spider-man.
It does flip the relationship, but it doesn't make any sense, especially if he's "bringing Venom back to his roots"
I didn't, but at leas the Slott Machine is sometimes able to spit out a jackpot, or at least a prize someone can make something of. Like Anti-Venom, or SpOck.
He's just as bad as Slott and quesadilla. Except he's trying to kill off mainline Spidey so Miles is the one true Spider-Man.
Can someone take over storytiming the GOOD Venom stuff? My captcha is slowing to a crawl here.
This book does feel like the result of a Monkey's Paw. Like someone was like "I wish Venom was back on Earth and had some of his edge back!" and this was the result.
so did he ask shadow to move or what
Im going to keep preaching it, bring back Eddie
Yeah, let him fuck off of muh Toxin and bring Pat back.
Toxin is shit without Pat.
I don't understand why they killed him off anyway. Honestly you could do an interesting storyline with Pat and all the venoms if you wanted to.
I liked him better as Anti-Venom. Everything since lethal protector has been rehashes of his old Spidey rivalry, where as Anti-Venom he developed further and actually grew as a character.
>Honestly you could do an interesting storyline with Pat and all the venoms if you wanted to.
Like pic related?
Neat, wish it was real, but it might not be that great if it were.
I was thinking more of a brief team up book that explains how Crimemaster got the Toxin symbiote and could Lead Eddie back to Pat, could even get him Anti-Venom back if it was angled right.
>Rent past due
You'll get your rent when you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR.
My brother is a huge eddiefag, poor basterd.
I liked agent venom, I liked born again christian anti-venom (one of the few times I've seen christianity not shit on by modern marvel) but if this edge-fest is where they're taking the character just give it back to eddie. I mean damn, who thought this was a good idea?
>I mean damn, who thought this was a good idea?
It really does make little sense. Who are you pleasing with this book. really? You're not pleasing the Flash fans and you're not pleasing the Brock fans. Who is Marvel trying to gear this book towards?
I guess Gargan fans, but Gargan was more nuanced than this.
His limited was pretty funny, and he himself as a character was intended to be used as a foil, not as coldsteele the hedgeheg.
Maybe it's pleasing people who never actually read a Venom comic and have no idea who he is?
Maybe they wanna get the edgy teen DonteMayCry crowd? Even then though, his anger is way misplaced for that.
Not for nothing, I had friends in the military who got fucked by the va with more than a pussy " I lost one useful finger and one useless one that I can hide with a glove poor me" . Had a muhc harder life than this cringey fuck and I can tell you they wouldn't be this edgy.
>The agent Venom books sold rather well when they were written by remender.
I think Agent Venom was still selling pretty well even when it got cancelled. It's just that Marvel was apparently going through one of its relaunches at the time and was cancelling everything. It consistently sold above 20k, more than any other symbiote series (including Carnage).
Its for new readers. A lot of people know who Venom is and like his look but beyond that the info is limited with casuals. One of Marvels biggest issues the past few years is constantly trying to pull in new readers and as a result they further alienate anyone trying to invest into reading them long term.
>Someone saved my pic
Nice.
Seriously though, when was the last time a comic had more than 40 issues? That's really good for a marvel book these days.
Also, just picked up Volume 2 of Remender's run. I already have the first volume signed by him (and one of the inkers), so now I just need the second one signed.
I think the problem is thatthey've got thier priorities backwards. Agent Venom got me back into comics, one of the first trades I bought in a while.
The other problem with comics is accesibility, and there being tons of backlog to read to catch up. A lot of it which is badly written or retconned later doesn't help tthings.
Thirdly, nobody is gonna spend 4$ on a single book nowadays and it shows when trades outsell floppies in general.
The reason why comics worked back in the day is because they were accessible, cheap, and you didn't need investment to get into one. It was pure pulp, so yuo can see what the problem here is with the other points.
These huge events don't help things either, sure they boost sales initially, and some even help sales if the tie ins are good. But as CW2 has shown, big events too often leads to reader disconnect. Why the fuck should anyone have to read a cosmic event to find out what happened to spiderman?
They oughta go the way of the manag, and pay writers/ artists to work on trades and sell those. More bang for you buck I mean, manga are about as dense for 20$ and black and white, rihgt? what's 15 bucks more for similar quality and content with full color magazine pages.
>Seriously though, when was the last time a comic had more than 40 issues?
That's what I've been saying man! Shit's ridiculous, I think it had more issues than the og Eddie run.
>signed vol 1, just got 2
Nice, I got 1 +2 looking for 3, was supposed to be out by now. Wish I had it signed though.
So the goo wants to be a good guy like Flash, but this guy is a psycho who is super cool edgelord so can just instantly wrest control of the symbiote away from... itself?
Yeah, fuck continuity, I want Venom to be like the edgelord from "HATE" that was that games name right?
It's even more bizzare since the symbiote has a history of being able to influence it's host, and it hasn't even been able to communicate this direct till recently. And now SUDDENLY it's ahuge pussy.
Nuh-uh, poppa Brock didn't raise no weaklings. If this thing doesn't end with him getting his teeth pounded in with Flash and brock reclaiming the symbiote I'lll be annoyed.
They are.
I don't think it's Eddie. Sorry man.
I wish Eddie and Agent Venom could co-exist.
>editor teasing Brock since the series was announced
>in an interview said there was something big coming up for Venom's anniversary
>biggest Venom story in ten years
It's Brock.
Hope that means they ditched edgy mc edgelord.
I just don't see how they can make Brock interesting again without regressing his character, or retreading old ground.
Retreading old ground that hasn't been touched in 10 years isn't interesting to you?
>It's Miles riding Peter
>I just don't see how they can make Brock interesting again without regressing his character
That would imply he's had character development, which he basically hasn't in a long time.
He needs some good old tormenting from the souls of his victims.
I hate the old, "must kill Spiderman"" thing. I'd like to see how lethal protector works now in the hellscape that is sjwmarvel. I'd also like it if they kept him buddy buddy with Pete like Anti was, want the old bantz back though. Wouldn't mind a Venom and Spidey team up book.
Still kinda miffed Flash got near zero interaction with pete and spidey. They were building to it before Bendis shot him into space....god damn it.
>I will say that the concept does have one unique thing about it: it flips the symbiote and host relationship. That, at the very least, is different from anything we've seen before.
Bull. Hybrid was the first to truly switch around the host/symbiote dynamic with Scott being the edgy aggressor and the foundation symbiotes acting as his morality chain who all desperately try their best to hold him back from doing something they'll all regret. The only difference is that Lee has the asspull explanation of "the symbiote is extremely weak" to explain why Venom is still somehow his bitch while Scott actually had to struggle to fight against his symbiotes' whims.
>I hate the old, "must kill Spiderman"" thing.
Agent Venom fans, everyone.
You mean fans of definitive Venom story?
So whats everyones ideal status-Quo for Venom the'd like to see
for me id love to see flash venom remain a guardian and a space knight, being a cosmicfag and with venom being my favourite character this situation seems ideal, although i wish the guardians wouldnt get pulled into the damn earth based events (i guess i have the movie to thank for that sadly)
for brock id like to see him back as anti-venom, being a dark hero like his old 90's run, unstable but tries his best
id like to see toxin to bond with a cop again, that was a cool dynamic of a young symbiote learning, even though toxin has seen some shit it could still be done with klyntar(could they really not come up with anything catchier) cleansing or some shit
id like mania so basically replace flash as the venom of his city, and every few issues he checks in to see if she's alright.
basically my idea would be that flash is a part time member of the guardians that pops in whenever he has free time, the Venom series can kinda play a little fast and loose with continuity of when he's doing stuff, but use his appearances in guardians to tether when/where he is based on what he references has happened
all other symbiotes could get like a monthly/bi-monthly thats just a little 2-3 issue adventure with anti-venom or toxin and maybe Mania
Eddie was a better character once he stopped trying to kill spiderman. Bringing him back to that does nothig for the character of Eddie. You telling me Brock hasn't forgiven Spidey after all these years after making peace with himself, god, and almost dying of cancer?
This, except I want Carnage man back, and I only want Agent Venom in space sometimes.
>i havent read any venom comics ever
Hello, agent_jcharris
Huh? You know this guy or something?
Bendis trie dto make a stupid origin for Venom, meanwhile ignoring the established history.
Zebb Wells is a hack too. He forgot about Amazing Spider-man 315 where Venom beats the living hell out of Black Cat. In some series he wrote, She acted like she never saw him before...even after Maximum Carnage. He's damaged goods like this new guy,
>You telling me Brock hasn't forgiven Spidey after all these years after making peace with himself, god, and almost dying of cancer?
Has Spidey forgiven Brock for all the murder?
He hasn't forgiven Deadpool and unlike Brock, Deadpool doesn't even like killing and would fucking like Spider-man's respect.
I can forgive a guy fro missing one issue if they can write a better story, but this trite reads like an emo 7th grader's Venom fanfic.
I also wnna add the suit's had soem character development too, and there's no way it should ahte Spidey unles this shit writer fucks everyhting up. Hope Frank punches this jackass' ticket.
>Zebb Wells forgot this moment of awesome from Amazing Spider-man 316.
I hate writers that don't do their homework and Editors who don't catch that stuff.
Spidey sort of has when Brock became Anti-Venom and sacrificed it to save Manhattan. Though it is sort of like Peter's relationship with Wade where he doesn't completly trust him. I'm not sure if he trusts Wade or Eddie more.
>Gargan fans
Do they even exist? I have never in my entire life seen anyone saying anything nice about GarganVenom outside of few people who read Sinister Spider-Man mini.
Hell, I'm a Scorpionfag and I think Gargan Venom was a shitty idea.
Black Cat was also on Venom's team in Maximum Carnage.
Brock was over the "must kill Spider-Man" thing by that point anyway, he was just another anti-hero on the moral spectrum but had an interesting story in that he and the symbiote were truly a pair, and truly partners
>Has Spidey forgiven Brock for all the murder?
All what murder? Spidey has worked with Wolverine and Punisher many times on friendly terms, or as friendly as they can be, and both of them have much much much much higher kill counts than Venom ever had
The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
I think they are referring to black cat being a crime boss.
Apparently everyone but slot thinks it's a bad idea.
>implying marvel has editors
>implying if they decide to hire one that whey would do anything that inst >enforce this events presence
>implying marvel gives a flying fuck anymore
you sweet summer child
Wasn't that before Brock went and murdered Hybrid and Scream's hosts for literally no god damn reason?
I kinda would have like to seen hobovenom
>The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
Deadpool totally liked killing, but he's grown out of it. Also Spidey used to be buddy buddy with Wade, but they keep retconnning it so they can have Deadpool earn his respect. It's really annoying when every writer does this.
I don't think Kelly did in the recent run, but I could be wrong. Also Spiderman varies depending on who's writing him, a level headed Spidey might not leap into action, unless Venom is super agressive. In Agetn Venonm Spidey lost his shit because he thought Venom kidnapped Betty, which admittedly was one of Spidey's dumber moments. But half the time it's someone out to kill him wearing the suit. If I remember right 90s lethal protector didn't ahe to worry about Spidey randomly beating the shit out of him. I remeber him handling Aniti-venom pretty well too, and he paired up with him too.
>I've never read this comic and just pulled an image I found online
>that page
Fuck, now I can't stop thinking about the porn edits of that comic.
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Wow, you did it twice in a row, good job.
There's a reason why Brock was dubbed the LETHAL PROTECTER during his time as Venom, user.
Actually it looks like a throwback to classic venom. Venom was always edgey, stupid violence. It's the Flash Agent Venom that literally diluted the concept until it was just a generic superpower instead of an overblown 90s extreme evil rival premise we knew and loved.
>constantly being cucked by Bendis.
It comes from two sides. In ASM, the main Spidey book, the character is getting shit on by Slott and everywhere else, he is cucked by Bendis.
Aside from Renew Your Vows, there is literally nothing good happening with Spider-Man books.
He only killed people who deserved it, he didn't just do it for kicks. Like Moon knight, he also left some people alive if they could be redeemed.
Spidey's not gonna sperg out and start beating on Venom because "joo killed peoples!1!1!" he's not cool with it, but as long as he keeps himself in line he's fine with him. Anti-Venom did that. unhinged Brock was killing symbiotes because of that god crap, and I think the editors were pushign it. Like they wanted lethal protector back, and they wanted a crazier brock to pull in new readers. They shitcanned Anti-Venom so they figured they could clean up the symbiotes that were left and pair brock wiht Toxin to make it one clean package.
It's why they made Brock Agetn fucking Toxin when Venom got shot into space. They really don't know what makes books sell.
At what point does a character become an insane murderer?
>Actually it looks like a throwback to classic venom. Venom was always edgey, stupid violence.
No he wasn't, he was edgy violence wiht a reason. LETHAL PROTECTOR, not lethal monster.
>diluted the concept until it was a stupid super power
found the edgy hot topic kid, maybe read the book before you shit on it half pint.
>He only killed people who deserved it
You did it three times now. Congratulations user. It's amazing to me.
>low rez pics grabbed from google thumbnails
kek it's cute when you're retarded!
By the by, that's Spidey from reign or some suchs. An alternate continuity where mj died of spider jizz.
Not the same Venom. Try again sunshine, read books before you shovel shit.
Yeah, you posted an image of him killing scumbags....same thing Wolverine has done for decades, what's your point? Do you not know what an anti-hero is?
Again, that's Eddie now, not during lethal protector. anybody ever tell you you suck at this?
So Venom fans, what are then essential runs to check out?