Hospitals in England about to collapse

>Hospitals in England about to collapse

England what the fuck are you even doing?

theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/10/hospitals-on-brink-of-collapse-say-health-chiefs

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This is just really fucking sad dad

I work for the NHS, I'm actually in my way to work now. Saw this thread while having my breakfast and decided to give my two cents.

The NHS leach money through incompetence. Started working here after university, my work paid for me to do my masters, as well as every other BSc who started. That's probably 200 grand lost right there over the last few years. I would have been happy to pay it back over time.

There is no organisation from the top down, senior managers have meetings and middle managers get tasked with changing things in six months that could be done in a week. There is a culture of 'I can't do that until I've emailed X and Y and spoken to Z".

It is strained to breaking point by the scores of immigrants that have taken root and there is no solution other than 'let's through more money at staff, that will magically make things better'

My field is one of the few where working in the public sector lays considerably more than working for a private company.

In twenty years it will die if it continues on like this.

Am now at work. Will be getting paid £40 an hour for the next four hours and probably do next to nothing. Which kinda proves my point.

Feel free to ask me anything.

Have to tried to get things changed? (Even if it means you get a pay cut)

Change takes so long, and Agenda for Change terms and conditions are pretty much untouchable. David Cameron made things better with slightly more realistic terms and conditions, but New Labour damaged the NHS so much its still never really recovered.

It would never happen. While I'm not in a union pretty much everyone else is. And despite being massively overpaid to the extent it harms the NHS, and by extension our patients, unions complain about everything and use the orally bankrupt excuse that if staff aren't happy patient care suffers.

Patients suffer because the NHS is badly managed, not the other way round.

It's a slow, miserable death. My entire country works this way. I just want someone to make the trains run on time at this point.

We lost our healthcare too because one doctor felt he was too poor so common law allows for the floodgates to open on the first private sales

Quite insightful

I want to know, as a person who doesn't work in the health service, what should we be worrying about. We hear from the news about funding, staff numbers etc but as someone who's inside the machine whats the ticking timebomb/cancer that is killing the service?

Public sector unions (which are morally abhorrent) taking money which is meant to be for the patients and lining their own pockets or giving too much to staff, so they keep getting their union dues and create an unsustainable level of staff benefit, coupled with too many service users stretching finite resources (thanks immigration!) And bad management.

The Tory government are the only thing trying to save the NHS. If labour get in and give the money it says it will it will damage the NHS as it will probably end up creating needless middle managers and overcomplicating what should be quite a simple service. Its what the did last time.

Lies

Why would I lie, I've worked in the NHS for 6 years. I've no desire to see it destroyed. But it is suffering.

Or do you just think articles like OPs are written just to sell papers? They're just making it up?

A wild JF appears
Should go on question time when it next swings round your area

I worked for the NHS on the late nineties, what was killing it then was theft, the amount of stuff going missing was outrageous.
And the fact that gov't interfering with it after every election didn't help.
to save it, stop anyone using it as a health tourist

The NHS is a sacred cow. Everyone knows it has terrible problems, but people ignore it. It is the very definition of too big to fail, so rather than focus on the huge problems people ignore it and find scapegoats. Then when the scapegoats are suitably admonished every glosses over it, makes a few 'organisational changes' and then continues on until the next crisis. It is rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.

I see the need for a public health system, but we are going about it the wring way. More privatisation would be a good thing, it adds a level of accountability that it missed by it being above criticism.

>Have dude free health care lmao
>Want to be independent like USofA
>Brexit
>OH WAIT
>NO WONDER AMERICANS PAY FOR HEALTH CARE

express.co.uk/news/uk/226820/Now-a-mere-37-of-NHS-doctors-are-white-British

I read this article a few years ago and its always clouded my vision of the NHS. And where do all the White Doctors go?

private sector

In the UK, they work for Bupa or other private providers

Otherwise they emigrate to Australia, US, Canada

It should be like going to the dentists, as you leave you pay something for your nhs treatment.
As it stands in hospital now, go to a&e get free treatment walk out and pay sod all, that should be stopped.

Student mh nurse here. I've see so much waste and sloppy organisation in my short time working for the NHS, its really demoralising. Middle managers or political hires should be scrapped and procurement is really dodgy atm.

I think the British public is really entitled and want to go back to when we didn't take the piss. Anecdotally, the number of people I've seen use the services as a hotel after a drug binge is staggering. We should charge fatties, smokers, alchos and druggies for treatment related to their poor choices. The 7 day NHS is fucking stupid. Also fuck unions.

Whats the matter with a 7-day NHS?

Nothing, but stretching staff thinner while increasing workload isn't sensible.

Best solution, make everyone receiving treatment pay a little bit towards it in addition to being publicly funded, much like the dentists. If you're a bennies scrounger its all free, if you earn above living wage each 'encounter' will cost you something small, say £80. A one off fee until that issue is resolved. That will pump millions into the NHS, stop people wasting services as much as they do, and allow for a higher quality if treatment.

Also get rid of, or limit, public sector unions.

I see the truth in keeping consultants on at weekends but don't like the erosion of working conditions. consultants will make mistakes or leave. I don't think the chance of getting people discharged a little earlier will offset the operational costs of 7 day service. Also fuels patient entitlement.

>End the NHS.

Solved, but no one is ready for that yet

Leftist scum refuse to put two and two together and acknowledge that the millions of shit skins we've imported are killing it. They think we can just tax Apple or something and we'll be in a utopia.

I'm pretty fit atm but I'll probably have to get private health insurance.

Good ol' bureaucracy

>b...but the ten thousand immigrant nurses and doctors

Are needed only because of the million unwashed immigrants stretching our health service. I have no idea how they can't see the problem with that argument.

As a charge nurse in the NHS, I will say a lot of consultants do work on weekends, especially in the surgical and trauma specialisms.

I think the real area they should focus the 7 day plan isn't hospitals, it's primary care. Most of the primary care infrastructure is mon-fri 9-5. That means you get patients stuck in hospital blocking beds because some JCM or social worker is off and can't organise a support plan for when the patient is discharged. I see this as more crippling than there not being as many docs over the weekend.

And the management system is an absolute joke. Our ward is meant to have 20 nurses on the roster. We have 7. They punish us for not meeting standards when we have to rely on shitty agency nurses, who are just there to pick up a paycheck, who don't give a fuck about our metrics or continuation of care. They aren't back tomorrow, who cares if something wasn't done today? My 3 managers above me, all women, are friends, so there's no way to report anything about any of them, because they'll just sweep it under the rug.

I love the NHS, but it needs an overhaul for the modern day.

>fiat issuing government
>open borders for mass migration
>refuse to invest in infrastructure
>country going to shit
>'but much imaginary deficit'
>chinese deficit 20% of gdp
>economic 'miracle'

UK is finished, people can't even aren't assume control of government to maintain their standard of living.

Till people realise how first monetary system works, we will always be politically fucked to corporate interests in city of London.

I like that in this thread with have myself, a Biomedical Scientist,

A student nurse

And a band 7 senior nurse

Isn't Sup Forums just a diverse bunch of healthcare professionals! I saw a paramedic on here yesterday too.

Pol is jaded EMT/male psych nurse general

>Grauniad

Is this brexit referendum related?

NHS has been on life support since about 2010

New labour rekt us m8

No NHS has been shit for decades, immigration and New Labour creating a pointless but deeply entrenched middle management environment has made it a sinking ship since '97.

Is it the managers and high ranking officials that become paid too much? I've heard this sentiment ring heavily before.

Funny, I haven't worked on a ward since 2001, yet I dreamt I had to go & work on one last night.
Anyway, it was shit back then too. Bed blocking, TB going through the roof, managers everywhere, dreadful standards of cleanliness.
Nothing's improved since they got rid of Matrons & all that went with that system. (New 'Matrons' don't count.

Not really, they probably get paid correctly, the problem is there's far too many of them. A middle management class that large just engenders concussion and complicates any project that it undertakes.

>Dentists have the chance to become part of the Aussie version of free healthcare
>they say fuck off

Thank fuck they did. Now make bank and don't have a soon crumbling system around us

Oh, and I forgot that even then the medical tourists were crippling.

Funny you should mention TB, there's been a massive increase in Multi drug resistant TB recently, my lab has had a lot of it come through. Mostly prisoners, Prisons are rife with it thanks to their immigrant populations and close proximity.

That will become a big deal in the next decade.

Say fuck it and try to retire in ~15 years, or try to get things to change?

>remain think NHS was promised £350m a week
>NHS starts making plans around it
>the money is never going to go arrive due to incompetent managers and over funding
>suddenly the system is collapsing
>gib me dats

hey NHS workers, I'm curious as to where you see this going. The NHS has been on a steady decline and it's never going to be addressed because you'll be killed by the mob who's sacred cow you've dared to question. What's the end game? Total collapse? It's cost is increasing like all other govt programs.

What happens one day when it just gives out? Go America mode? Try it again but this time it'll be REAL socialism? You cunts are us in a few decades so I'm curious to see where it's heading

Why are Brits so opposed to the idea of paying for their own healthcare and/or insurance? Quality of care went up in the Netherlands when we moved to a manditory insurance scheme with actual competition between insurance companies.. The effects aren't all good (prices went up as well, and efficiency has a tendency of going down when price-related incentives are involved, which is why the US and the Netherlands now both rate highest for quality of care as well as inefficiency of spending)..

Ideally the incentives they're currently experimenting with in the Netherlands should shift from profit margins to patient quality of life/care, but that's something that's being worked on. What has become clear however, is that there needs to be some way in which healthcare spending is recovered from (potential) consumers of healthcare, because you CANNOT have a system that runs on 'solidarity' aka taxation alone, as such systems are prone to bloating up and crashing from debts..

>I think the British public is really entitled and want to go back to when we didn't take the piss
There was no golden age. When the NHS started people were pestering doctors for prescriptions for free shampoo, "cos clean hair is healfy, innit?"

More and more private services, having to pay a small amount if you're able for care (like dental services).

The sooner it happens the better IMO

It was just a suggestion by one of the leave campaigns, I'd rather it was spent on education if education wasn't so full of (((them))).

But if you curb and cut down middle management where are all the useless bints with media degrees going to get a job?

I look forward to Grammar schools making a come back. I have no idea why socialists are against them other than

>hurr it might give working class children an unfair advantage over Diane Abott's privately educated children.

Pretty sure useless media degrees are a requirement for pouring pints down your local 'spoons. They can all go there.

>Giving Benes Scrougers more free shit

I like this idea, but it should be based on the seriousness of the disease rather than the income of people.

IE cancer treatment and life saving operations should be free; while going to the Doctors cause "Me Elbow feel funny" and shit like Transgender surgery should be charged at full cost.

The only issue with reforming any public sector will be the mass unemployment of media/human resources/social services workers who feel betrayed because they went to uni to do their bullshit.

I'd say they're probably the main fighters against reform, just imagine how many people would be jobless if you trimmed the fat. I would love to see what the ratio of actual physicians/nurses/pharmacists to pencil pushers/administrators/managers/human resources/etc is. Some is needed for it to run but that some has long been passed.

So no big collapse? Our current party was hit with a big scare campaign about trying to privatize our healthcare system. Lost them a lot of votes and any mere mention of healthcare drums up the PRIVATISATION scare. I guess there's no way out until we reach you I suppose

Australia.

Yeah, NHS doctors are paid shit.

Fuck off you Canadian cancer.

What job do you do?

NHS has always been segmented, many of those segments are now privately run. Its good. Even care is private, most hospices are run by charities, most cleaning is given to private contractors (who do a much better job than when the wards were in charge of it)

There will never be a collapse, its too vital, but it will be privatised more. Its inevitable. And its good that it is because it needs it.

I'm going to make the claim that it's the immigrants straining a system that wasn't designed for so many.

Which is why throwing money at it won't really work.

I'm a biomedical scientist. Worked for the NHS for 6 years since getting my BSc. Got my MSc three years ago.

Its a good job. I really enjoy it.

Is it comfy?

>try unfeasible project
>it fails
>if only we had more funding

Wow doesn't this sound familiar. From education to healthcare to our indigenous issues. Always an issue of "it would've worked had we thrown more money at it instead of cutting funds". You'll never win against people like this

Maximum comfy. Today I've run 40 urines through an automatic microscope. It does everything for me unless it gets confused and wants me to look at something to ID it. Cultured a few swabs, incubated them to read tomorrow. Took a few positive blood cultures off the machine and subbed them onto plates to see what grows One important thing I did was process a babies CSFs sample, did a cell count on it and phoned the ward to let the Doctor know everything was normal.

Apart from that I've been shitposting on Sup Forums from my phone and talking about the NHS for the last four hours.

Finishing now. Going to pick my kids up from my parents, have McDonalds and then go to church with the family. Comfiest Sunday ever.

Thanks Sup Forums, it was a pleasure, you really made my morning go quickly.

Oh yeah, it's Sunday.

NEET here. Guess we're both leeching off the fat government tit in different ways.

>as well as inefficiency of spending
and you already don't see this as a failure of the experiment?


now that health care money is pouring into the pockets of profiteers, you can be sure they will use that "economic power" to influence politics and the media to shill and smoke screen for them.

No matter how bad they get as to "inefficiency", they will never let you go back.

>everything is fine with niggers and sandniggers!!!!
>Britain to leave EU
>see everything is shit in Britain NOW BECAUSE BREXIT

(((They))) are now trying to blame the results of Jewry on the victims decission to get rid of it.

Jesus Christ. Happy to see my NI contributions spent on sterilising the plebs

> I have no idea why socialists are against them

Because they're meritocracy manifest. Liberals cannot fucking stand the idea of someone with inherent intelligence being given a leg up on others.

Why are so many NHS staff obese?
I had to go to my local hospital last month, jesus there are some fat cows working there.!
Waddling round from room to room, it doesn't fill you with good thoughts.

Hahah right... These overweight old sows won't get a look in at the local spoons... Not when 18 year old, 105lbs Beatta is pouring with old the dirty old sots gorping at her perfectly formed little body.

It's the only way the NHS is gonna survive. These fucking useless parasites need to get the fuck out. I wouldn't be surprised if that ratio was 1:3 or even 1:2 pencil pushers/physicians. The entirety of this country's economy has become a massive HR hiring bonanza.

I know a lot of guys with decent degrees struggling to find gainful employment and I know a lot of girls with stupid fucking media degrees getting paid £40,000+ in London to essentially send emails and drink wine.

Is your name Marc by any chance?

>In twenty years it will die if it continues on like this.

No it won't. Leftists can always just borrow more money forever. It never has to be payed back either.

Leftists are so smart.

That sugar is from 2013 buddy