Ms Marvel is no longer a top 100 book

How do we fix Ms Marvel?

Ms Marvel is no longer in the top 100 book sales. Her fame is decreasing.

Personally I blame Bendis hurting her book with CW2.

But how do we get Kamala back to her former glory?

>How do we fix Ms Marvel?
Convert her to Christianity.

Make her an ex-muslim.

Triple her breast size.

Make her a lesbian.

She is lost. Just put her down before she can suffer more.

It would've helped if she didn't rally her fellow minorities and poor people to vote for the in-universe equivilent of Hilarry, and then have neither candidate win anyway.

Stop trying to tie her into events. I know it goes against everything Marvel knows but the audience that Kamala appeals to loathes the event system of selling comics and would rather sit those issues out and pick it up later in trades.

And honestly... After CW2, could you really blame them?

I don't see her being fixed. People liked her when she was an optimist having fun adventures (the thing people want from pretty much every young hero book).

but she's muslim and marvel is on their sjw kick so of course they will turn her into a mouth piece.

the fix is easy, it's just not going to happen.

Stop involving her in shitty events.

Maybe stop having shitty events too, but that's probably too much to ask for.

>But how do we get Kamala back to her former glory?
You can't. Because of the ANAD relaunch she was put on an Avengers team, so she went directly from rookie hero to pro hero without any serious experience or development. Then CWII made her lose supporting cast and potential storylines and now Champions is gonna ruin her reputation among readers.

Have her stories be fun and optimistic like they were in the beginning instead of making her a projection for Marvel's progressive boner. Yeah her race and religion is important through her family interactions. But it isnt what DEFINES her.

jesus fucking christ, is that dialog a joke? dumbass kids have been saying that same fucking part since the 60's. i bet you could find some other marvel character saying basically the same thing every couple years from the beginning of the silver age to now.

>fame
Her popularity was ALWAYS a meme, never reality

How do we push Miles down to her level?

She must submit to king-president Trump

Loki will make Midgard great again

People try to put us down...

>Kamala is now Carla, a big-breasted Christian lesbian
Fund it.

Having Kamala swear off trying to influence politics would be one thing

>Fame
Her second volume has always been doing worst than the first and that with twice the pushing and before CW2. Marvel just needs to stop shoving her down people's throats.

Peter's classmates essentially said this in the 60's.

Missed, Marvel!

This. Kamala was a great concept because she was a fangirl given the chance of a lifetime, even if it was in a shitty part of New Jersey and the original was a cute mix of street level Marvel comedy with a bit of seriousness. Pushing her to the top with no development just because of the "Progressive" boner killed the momentum of her character arc. Progressive for progressives sakes never works. It has to be convincing and worked for.

Hence the term, "Progression". Something comic writers seem to have forgotten about in favor of just blunt forcing everything.

Removing the Comics Code was a mistake. That at least forced writers to make progress and efforts to slip things past censors.

Waid writing her in Champions is horrific.

I vote for these

Except the "progressive" is the main reason why the characters fail. The very second you start thinking that more important than good writing is to push your moral values on people through your writing, you're a shitty writer and will always be a shitty writer until you start thinking otherwise.

Quality of the story and storytelling is always the number one thing a writer should strive for.

Better art. Drop the family cast entirely.

1. Quest for Bruno where she goes to Wakanda
2. no more bullshit with the Inhumans until Marvel figures out what to do with them
3. stop doing shitty crossovers with shitty writers

>Personally I blame Bendis hurting her book with CW2.
Correct.
>But how do we get Kamala back to her former glory?
Do some shorter arcs, build up her rogue's gallery.

>she's doing the Trump face
I don't get it, is this supposed to be a subtle jab at him without syaing it directly?

no she's just ugly

Impossible. This issue before Trump tried to got Republican nomination.

Does she have any books where the writers aren't trying to shove their political ideology down my throat? I just want to read some comics.

Her book is ugly. I will be honest here, I don't WANT to read about muslim characters, I like Kamala only outside her book, where only the fangirl aspect come into play, there is better art and we don't get to see her family.

>the decline happened when she barely interacts with the inhumans in any book
>sold better when the book had more Inhuman stuff like Lockjaw and Kaboom
>did worst when it was Carol in the avengers
I don't see how you blame the Inhumans for her recent troubles, she is the only Inhuman that never gets caught in the Inhuman hate.

>Removing the Comics Code was a mistake
>DC removed it long after Marvel did
DC WAS RIGHT

>The very second you start thinking that more important than good writing is to push your moral values on people through your writing, you're a shitty writer and will always be a shitty writer until you start thinking otherwise.
Read a real book sometime.

Kamala isn't lewd enough

>Removing the Comics Code was a mistake
kys

This

>Removing the Comics Code was a mistake. That at least forced writers to make progress and efforts to slip things past censors.

Why are there so many retards on this website? What in god's fucking name could possibly lead you to the conclusion that the comics code lead to progress?

>How do we fix Ms Marvel?

Make Kamala LEAVE ISLAM.

MASSIVE GLOBAL PUBLICITY GUARANTEED.

>we trade
Money is too mainstream, let's go back to bartering.

>we read on our smartphones
???

Can someone explain why every generations kids do this "wow we're so different from those before us" shit?

>real books don't have literary quality, only political agendas
You know that the trick with shit like Animal Farm is that the book is actually a good book, right?
If you just want a message with no adequate medium, or you prioritize the message over the way you convey it, then you just want propaganda leaflets.
Kill yourself because you're part of the crowd that ruins art.

>you're part of the crowd that ruins art
Says the user who judges art by its ideological content.
>shit like Animal Farm is that the book is actually a good book
More than a rightwinger would say otherwise.

>lol u are judging it by ideological content
A book can have whatever ideological content and still be good, you're the one saying that ideology matters more than the way it's presented you moron.

>waaah right winger
Orwell was a leftist you dumb fuck. In fact he spent a lot of his time criticizing "elitist leftism" and if you don't know he fought in the goddamn spanish civil war for the anarchists.
Get your strawman and go plant some corn.

>A book can have whatever ideological content and still be good
Especially if such content is the same as yours, hmm?
>Orwell was a leftist
You aren't, though. You're whining abut leftist messages in art.

a lot of his time criticizing "elitist leftism" instead defending that it return to its working class roots*

(that is against academic leftism)

He also ONE example of positive use of art to convey an idea.
The thing is, if you just wrap your ideas in pure unadultered shit no one will want them no matter how hard you push them.
Quality always comes over your own agendas.

>Quality
Too subjective a concept.

>you're whining about leftist messages in arts
I think you're confused, because not everyone in this thread is the same person. You should stop assuming whatever it is that you need to assume to paint me as your strawman and just realize this idea:

Quality > Ideology

>waaah but only if it agrees with you
When have I said that again?
Oh right, I haven't at all.

>BUT I NEED TO ASSUME
Strawman. Plant corn.

>teabagger is so ashamed of his repulsive ideology that he pretends to be a different user

>bad writing makes for a good book.

Are you really this retarded?

Of course it's subjective, but there are broader definitions for it. If you limit your base to "people who agree with me so much that they'll love my work for the ideas despite it being done in the most awful way possible" you'll reach a very small amount of people.

Honestly, there are tons of good works that have leftist or liberal ideas and present them in very very well done manner that reach out to loads of people. It really is as simple as that. How over what.

>How do we fix Ms Marvel?

You can't.
A controversy only keeps people's attention for so long.
Fewer people are interested in outrages buys or virtue signal buys of Ms Muslim anymore.

>waaah teabags
I don't know user, do you want me to list my political ideas so you can shut the fuck up about your strawman?

>inb4 I was just baiting and pretending to be retarded

More stories focusing on her cute bum

He seems to think that everyone who disagrees with him is some american ideological strawman, so yes.

Make her a fun, endearing girl who fights bad guys instead of the imaginary minority mouthpiece that social justice types use to justify their arguments.

So basically, get her away from Marvel.

>How do we fix Ms Marvel

Get rid of Kamala and never speak of that speed bump in the road again

We have a Captain Marvel movie coming, we don't need this blight out there when the movie hype comes

Make her hook up with Scott Summers.

Solution to fix marvel

>ScottXKamalaXGwenpooleXLauraKinneyXJubilee as that awkward girl who showed up at casting couch with her friend and ended up getting fucked even though she didn't want to be in a porn cause she was too shy to say no but still made the dude wear a condom

This.

We have Carol showing up in the new Capcom vs Marvel game next year, we have a coming Captain Marvel movie

The public image of this "brand" is a strong white blond female, not some tiny ugly brown girl that panders to such a small audience that just downloads the comics for tumblr anyhow

Have Carol be both Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel, put down Kamala forever and give that brand a new injection of popularity going into the mainstream movie/video game stuff

Anthony Burch is that you?

>do you want me to list my political ideas
No, I don't need you to pretend you're more progressive than an army of Justin Trudeau clones.
>strawman
Or using buzzwords.

>never heard of Philip Dick

>Removing the Comics Code was a mistake. That at least forced writers to make progress and efforts to slip things past censors.

Your post started well but then it crashed on a ditch.

Thank you, /lit/. You're so useful.
Thank you, Sup Forums. You're so butthurt.

What does he have anything to do with the fact you're seriously trying to say that bad writing makes for a good book?

>failing at reading comprehension
Why am I not surprised?

>The very second you start thinking that more important than good writing is to push your moral values on people through your writing, you're a shitty writer and will always be a shitty writer until you start thinking otherwise.
Yes, Who arr those creators thinking they are, using their creativity to express themselves?

Burch detected. That is exactly what you said, and Burch is a frequent liar.

Of course the quality of the story and the writing are more important than anything else in the book. And the original argument was that if you concentrate more on pushing agenda than telling a quality story, you're going to fail delivering both.

Quality always comes first.

>you don't need to pretend
Why would I?
If I were an EVIL RIGHTWINGER I'd be proud of saying so to your face.

Ideology isn't my criteria for judging a work of art but rather the way it was portrayed. Are the characters well written? Is the aesthetic of the work fitting? I mean, you can't actually believe that what matters most is that people show up with ideas that match your own.

You're basically saying that you care more about the ideas than the quality of the work while pretending that I am the one who cares about ideas. This is almost bizarre.

>this post
So you have nothing to back up your notion that ideology is more important than quality of the work.
>but I need my own imaginary devils to craft an argument!

As a millennial where is this magical place where we can trade for things instead of buying them

I would love to not spend money

They're free to express themselves, but if they don't give a shit about making the way they do so actually good then they shouldn't be mad when no one gives a crap about their work.

I'm not even conservative and even I think this is obnoxious.

Craigslist? I'm not sure either.

This. And "progressives" usually dont give a shit, because pushing agenda is more important to them than learning how to write and tell a proper story.

Best joke in the world will sound shitty if the guy telling the joke dont know how to tell it well.

>What I like always comes first.
Fixed.

The first step is to kill that artist and only allow artists who make Kamala qt waifu level.

I've only read the 1st issue of ms marvel and champions. She seems adorable. But it's too late to get into it now it seems

>lesbian
Just remove this.

>"progressives"
So they're conservatives like you?

>tfw user doesn't have any arguments
Yep, this actually got comfy now.

Umad tho?

Well the same applies to the right. The thing is, the further down their own ass someone is the harder it becomes for them to understand that their opinions aren't just "so good anyone will like them" despite their lack of effort into trasmitting them in a good way.

Horseshoe is real.

What are you a fag

she's a one-hit wonder
like Dazzler
get over it

>Well the same applies to the right.

Of course it does. Never claimed different. Modern Marvel SJW shit is on the same level of shit as older stories like Batman fighting that evil punk music.

Not him but I see a lot of backwards thinking among some 'progressives' that I would expect from a religious conservative so he might be referring to that.
Or he could just be mocking the name.

I honestly think some writers confuse their work with themselves when they should be very distinct entities.

Someone get a drawfag on this

Isn't there a page somewhere of Bruce and Dick talking about enjoying The Clash to Alfred's lament?

>Anthony Burch is a good writer.

>Literally cucked by the Great Lakes Avengers

Is there anything those cretins can't ruin?

If she's lesbian, we're back on le diversity thing like before.

>I see a lot of backwards thinking among some 'progressives'
So he IS a teabagger playing the literate. Oh well, it's USA.

>it's USA
Honest question, do you think everyone here is american?
And no, my friend, that guy isn't me (the one you called teabagger).

>but muh america
Não fode seu gringo chato do cacete.

>a favelado
lol

>hey guys you're so rightwing, I hate you for being rightwing!

>let me insult your for being a third worlder

Thanks for admitting you're just a master baiter.

And
>2016
>not living in a favela outside of a megacity making runs for shady companies

He's Anthony Burch, why do you keep responding to him? The guy is a retarded cuck.

>admits he's a third worlder
Good boy.

>Stop involving her in shitty events.

Easily /thread

>The guy is a retarded cuck.
Says the Sup Forumsfag.