What are the actually serious arguments against Trump? All I hear is rhetoric. I want the serious objections

What are the actually serious arguments against Trump? All I hear is rhetoric. I want the serious objections.

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i want to hear some from this board bring some up, every time someone asks this on Sup Forums is either fuck off shill, or a lefty with the usual hurr durr racist sexist ect bollocks, all non arguments

My soggy knees

BECAUSE FUCK YOU WHITE MAN

Peter Schiff had some economic arguments against Trump's protectionist trade plans. If I remember it correctly he was concerned that the tariffs wouldn't be enough of an incentive to overcome the necessary capital investment to return industry to the USA, and would just lead to higher prices rather than employment.

he is pro isreal in fairness, so theres that

by serious arguments and don't necessarily mean complex ones
that one is too complex for anyone without an education in economics to engage with, plus it's speculative rather than a sure conclusion

If they just came out and stated that they wanted to destroy the white majority, I could at least praise them for their honesty.

I believe that building an actual wall along the mexican border is expensive, and ultimately pointless as immigrants will still get over it. Also, he can't close the US military bases overseas and still expect America to have any sphere of influence in Japan or Europe. It's either one or the other. So while a policy of seclusion will work for America in the short term, the USA will lose its status quo pretty rapidly to Russia or China, which will result in higher prices of imports, less exports and basically a middle finger from every world leader when America wants to conduct a military operation anywhere outside its borders.

And no, I'm not saying that because of "hurr durr Germoney dun wan pey 4 own trups!". I totally believe we should rearm ourselves and invade and annex Turkey and all of the middle east. But we can't have a cake and eat it too.

He probably has had a few dealings with the mafia. He deals with real estate in nyc for fucks sake.

kek

Admittedly his trade policies are ballsy. If it wasn't Trump supported by people like Icahn and Thiel I wouldn't take them seriously.
Other than that, I have other griefs, but nothing that is not worse in the opposition.

How do you not understand the concept of a wall? Are you even a real german?

Trump doesn't plan to close the military bases but to make the host countries pay for it.

Of course (((journalists))) jumped saying he was pulling back all troops day one in office. But as Trump said, when you enter negotiations, you have to make it VERY clear that you have an option to back off. Otherwise you'll get screwed because you'll have an inferior position in negotiations.
The truth is that Japan and Europe have more to lose from American puling back the troops, and Murica has the legal and moral high ground from all except two NATO countries not paying their mandatory share for defense.

there are no serious arguments
that arent treason to kek

youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

Actually rounding up 11 million illegals will be a massive undertaking, it will be brutal, and it will be violent.

The economic policies might be right, they might be wrong, because economics is a fucked up field of competing systems and philosophies.

Isolationism can seem great, but we can't simply abandon existing deals and alliances and hope to retain credibility on the world stage, and pulling back bases could have disastrous effects around the world.

>Be given a serious argument
>Dismiss it right away
Why are you even asking in that case?

Yeah umm I'm calling BS with that wall. Sure the cartels and such will still be building tunnels. Sure there will still be smuggling. The point of the wall however (as opposed to a run down gate) is that it's much more difficult to cross and will lower the number of illegal immigrants astronomically. Not every Juan and Maria will be able to jump it. Especially since the Wall will come with better staffed Border Security and high tech upgrades. Plus the Border guards will be allowed to be strong again. Yknow, actually throwing people back right away instead of just being forced to let them go.

does he plan to remove the ability to move in/out of the country too? A wall is a physical protection, he just needs to be smart enough to understand the concept of visas, travel and turism, people can just stay..

god you guys are retarded

>will still get over it
You know about Israel wall right? How it made ilegal immigration lower 99%?
You see that is Israel, US is an even more powerful country, and if both countries pay for it that wall is going to not only be more taller and efficient than Israel's wall, but will also be finished within 8 months and have much better security.
Plus, Jihads have way better equipment than cartels.

Mestizo spics simply won't pass, Muhamad.

He has no real positions and they're all vague statements he repeats without ever really going into detail.

His fiscal policy suggests that he'll run up the deficit, but that's not necessarily a bad thing depending on his trade policies. It's kind of up in the air right now.

That's the only legitimate dispute I've heard against trump. Everything else is "he's racist and you're racist for even questioning whether or not he's a racist"

>ilegal immigration lower 99%
Not to mention terror attacks to be reduced by a little more then 90%

Okay let me draw it

Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

Trump wanted the whole world to hear of the brand Trump, he achieved it.

Trump will lose on purpose because he'll get rich as fuck.

Don't be stupid.

It's Obama or Bernie that's gonna be president. I thought it would be Hillary, but her health seems to be a bump.

Hillary was, by all logic and common sense, the ideal candidate. Don't get me wrong, I hate the fucking witch.

Whe America still had racism issues eight years ago, they elected Obongo. Now if someone mentions that America is racist, ameriflaps just point to Obongo and go: "MUH BLACK PRESIDENT, NO RACISM"

See where I'm headed?

Ffwd today:

LGBT and gender equality problems > elect Hillary > no more equality problems

>but will also be finished within 8 months
Logistically impossible. That would require every man, woman, and child in America to work on the wall full time

The government can barely repair a bridge within 8 months, what makes you think they can build a 1000+ mile wall in 8 months?

And I'm calling BS on that, because your illegals come from people that overstay their visa. Something no wall is going to fix, another problem you face is that you can't build the wall along the Rio Grande.

The jew is too powerful to just break off with. Smarter to keep the banking rolling.

That's because you redefined what constitutes a terrorist attack. Tensions between Israelis and Palestinians are still as tense as ever, but now you guys don't count ever Palestinian outburst as a terrorist attack.

A great many of them are here because conditions are better than where they came from. Hospitals have to treat them, public schools have to let their kids enroll, welfare system isn't hard to game, and they can earn money under the table that goes untaxed and can be wired back to their own country. Stop the endless flow of gibs and suddenly it's no longer in their best interest to continue staying here.

Unless he offered amnesty to every mexican that helped build it.

It's like electing corporate sponsored candidates wasn't enough, let's elect the corporation himself.

No they fucking dont. Not the mexican ones. There are SO MANY MORE MEXICAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS than there are "visa overstays" you twat. I'm glad you know what you're talking about Norway. But wait, dont you already have a wall? lol

> he just needs to be smart enough to understand the concept of visas, travel and turism, people can just stay.
But we're talking about mexican intellectuals here

wow this is a real can of worms bro
if i was gonna #shill for #illHill i would deploy this old chestnut: globalsecurity.org/intell/world/russia/trump.htm
tl/dr trump is financially tied to russia, it doesnt look good at all but i literally COULDNT give a fuck if ukraine becomes russian clay again and thats as far as it could possibly go and will never happen. price worth paying to wipe out isis and the moderate rebels
>jihadis have better equipment than cartels
lol the zetas would abuse isis. they would show them what real terrorism is about

I have no idea what you just said

You're ridiculous

Yeah and he's addressed that.

This user was talking about the wall, not the visas.

At least Israel used their own money for that wall, they didn't tell Palestinians to pay for it.

The only thing bad about Trump is that, he's pro internet-censorship.
He's being jewed; money is money and everyone has a price.

The main issue I can think of is that he won't many of his suggestions through congress and senate.

But then again I don't think Hillary is a better candidate, so I still believe he's the best option.

Which really makes no sense at all, considering that the internet being uncensored and running wild is the only fucking reason he has a prayer in this election.

Palestine isn't a country, they're a people. There's no way to force them.
Whereas with Mexico, they are a sovereign state. They'll pay through the wall with tariffs

His economic plans would certainly bring jobs back, but in the long run (10 years) it will be automated due to the forced decrease in profits by Trump (forcing them to move back means higher wages.) Trump is highly unpredictable and even he himself seems like he doesn't know what to do when it comes to certain foreign policy affairs. Trump says lots of words with little substance, Hillary seems to back her words up with plans, Trump just says them and doesn't show a plan, for anything.

>CTR CTR CTR!!!!!11!!

Voiding and then making new trade deals will take more than 8 years and will recreate what we have today. Google how long trade deals take typically, especially ones as important as NAFTA. I work in import/export for a living, and we're concerned Trump will make it impossible to work for a number of years with countries overseas. MANY jobs will be lost because of his plans and it will take years after the trade deals are signed to get those jobs & infrastructure back. Prices will go up.

Deporting illegals is extremely difficult and unreliable. At first, it will be deporting the obvious ones. Prices will go up, and the public will largely suffer. Look at historical examples of deporting illegals. Its a waste of money.

Walls dont work. Countries typically build walls as a political statement rather than a physical barrier. If Mexicans want to enter America, they will. Do not try to use 'israel' as an example. Building a wall around a small piece of land with broke muslims in it is not equivalent to walling off an entire border.

His tax plan does not work. You can google independent unbias economists with no political leanings who evaluated all tax plans and usually have negative reviews. His explanation for his tax plan supposedly not working is that its just the 'start' of his tax plan. They even explain in the review that election tax plans are usually exaggerated and unrealistic, but his shows no real chance of working at all and would increase the national debt.

His only comment about the education system is hes going to fix it and common core = bad. Not a plan or idea.

His interest in Ukraine is downright retarded. Not Gary Johnson 'Aleppo' retarded but pretty fucking close. He wants to make the US more like Russia, but Russia is closer to the un-fun aspects of National Socialism than it is the fun of American Exceptionalism of yesteryear.

He is a liberal running for president as repub. Id rather vote Harambe.

Tariffs may potentially not be high enough to force factories to come back but it should be an incentive to have future things here. I am aware of the higher cost for consumers that nationalism will bring. My argument is that the path we are going, long term, is far far worse than higher consumer cost and that's not even for all goods. It's far worse for everyone but multinational corps anyways.

The funny thing is I've seen this argument twice, while name-calling Trump is used 99% of the time.

>There's no way to force them
Sure there is, just take it from them.

Assuming the tariffs will even pass congress.

Clintons entire campaign is that trump is racist. She is of course more racist but that is not the narrative.

BTW, she is sorry leaking classified information, lying about her health, victim shaming the woman her husband assaulted, dropping the ball on benghazi, pay for play at the state dept., having those people killed, calling a 4th of the population deplorable racists and generally being unlikable.
She is sorry okay.

I understand enough to know that people went over the Berlin wall even when it was full of landmines and guard towers with order to shoot on sight. And the country that erected it doesn't exist anymore.

And leave the criminals high and dry with no gibs? Some will leave, some will become criminals, and there will be riots as we impliment any deportation plan.

I was thinking of a seperate "refugee support" plan. If you get caught as an "undocumented", we document them, which also serves as a kind of work visa if they are emplpyed or seeking employment. These could be extended indefinitely, but don't allow for full rights under the law, no guns, no voting, no owning of property.

But, a single legal infraction and your ass is back to your country of origin.

Nice try Paco

He is a complete phony shill for the kikes, if not a crypto-kike himself. Every single element of this election is a facade created by the rich kike cabal that is ruling this planet right now. If you're interested I have plenty of evidence for this.

Detection, detection, detection. Above and below ground. Used elsewhere and is effective. Look at Israel, look at Jordan. Wall is large deterrent but without detection and being defended properly they can be tunneled under or climbed over. Do you guys seriously think someone like Trump, or the border patrol team who he planned with, seriously thinks you can just build a wall and forget about it? Have you guys heard of logic?

Bullshit kike shill.

Accidentally added you to last post. Ignore.

He's not pro Internet censorship, he's anti libel

>he fell for the Hillary backs it up meme

She hand picks people to ask her questions. It is all rehearsed. Plus go to trump's website if you are unclear on his plans.

Because it's not 100% effective then it means it shouldn't be there is your argument then? How fucking retarded are Germans. I thought the US was supposed to have the most dummies in developed countries.

He is 100% pro censorship.

Lol, go ahead if you can

Wasting millions on taking care of those illegals are a waste of money too.

i literally do not know what the man believes. people who love him and people who hate him seem convinced he means what he says. I do not believe he means what he says. Therefore I'm sitting here watching all this asking just what the fuck the man believes.

>Harambe meme
How's it going, reddit

Wow we started off with a one good one then immediately moved to more garbage. He wants LIBEL to be a thing for media again. They have reached dictatorship levels of control and lie without any repercussions.

nice non-argument, faggot.

Nice stale meme faggot

Interesting that you think the media has dictatorship level of control with no repercussions but your solution is to give the power to the government to dictate what the media can and cannot say.

Wow its almost like you're a liberal trying to give power to the government.

>god,you guys are retarded

hmmm the irony.

For me, the only thing bad about Trump is THAT FUCKING STUPID MUSLIM BAN
it' discriminatory and impossible so Trump is a liar and a xenophobic.

>landmines
>current year
But user it's current year! A few advancements have been made in available monitoring and alert systems tech.

what care are we providing for illegal immigrants?

can you give any examples of services that illegal immigrants are provided?

why is that bad? he knows how to handle difficult situations, he's still alive

what horseshit, they pursue profit above all else and work closely with the government and businesses they shill for.

The only real arguments I've heard is that he's "against free trade" and that he's "too rude" and might trigger Putin.

Governments already pay for what news runs or doesn't run. I didn't say anything about government having more control. Sweet job bro.

He has zero understanding of the security dilemma and believes international diplomacy is just a series of business deals that can be walked away from at any time.

What are some arguments FOR Trump?

The guy never says anything other than meaningless shit like "we're gonna make america great again" "we're gonna do better" "we will win" "they can go f*ck themselves". Like, yeah, that's nice and all but how about you actually tell us how we will be better off with you as president.

They are already criminals though. That "single legal infraction" has already been committed.

Why do you care more for the wellbeing of them than you do for that of your own? Not shitposting either, I really want to know what goes through your mind

>a functionally illiterate retard
>all wordsald and zero substance
>time and again lowball con man
>ego serial masturbator

For me It comes down to him being ineloquent and unintelligible. He's utterly dense on most subjects relating to ecopnomics, geopolitics, and diplomacy

Obamay litteraly can't be president again and would likely have many assassination attempts if he tried

>discriminatory and impossible

law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

>(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
>Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Doesn't believe in climate change, wants to invest more into military when it isn't really needed. Has only basic knowledge of most issues and spouts bullshit rather than admitting that he doesn't know about it.

>no one posts the vaccines cause autism tweet

how about listen to a full speech and get back to us.

He's also said literally every campaign promise he makes is simply a suggestion and all his detailed plans are secret.

>I am lying to you but at least I'm upfront about it
He's literally cuckolding his supporters.

>Obama or Bernie that's gonna be president.


It's going to be Chelsea. I saw it clear as day when Hillary tumbled into that black amberlamps.

I thought it would be 10-15 years before she got her shot, but they're going to parachute Chelsea into the white house.

Maybe Huma yummy yummy Abedin or whatever she's chaired, probably Chelsea

>climate change is a chinese hoax

You can't protect your border. You can't expect nations to pay what they're contractually obligated to. You can't protect domestic industries and encourage competition. You can't fix education by employing school choice and making them work actually work and compete for students. Checkmate drumpftards.

New to politics.
Used to bribe politicians for building permits, etc.
Uneven temperament.

>credibility on the world stage

What did he mean by this?

I think the main "credibility" that the US has, is they have a big fuck-you military. A lot of countries fear/dislike the US purely because they fear being "liberated".

I mean economically, how is the credibility of the US? And how exactly would they be "credible" in other ways? Not even trying to be facetious here, genuinely interested.

ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO DISCRIMINATE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION.
Drumpf is just islamophobic!

t. Achmed
I know reading comprehension is hard for a shitskin but please try harder. He did not dismiss it. He said its to complicated of a talk for economic normies (like me). And its also speculation like everything related to economics.

I think he did prove he has a warhawk mentality as well (see boots in middle east comments he mad or the i will shoot iranian boats that do X or why not use nukes comment) Even if bants or speculation or plain stupidity down his part to say that i still tghink that is a mentality only someone inclined to do war would say.
Also the eternal wall comment that is retarded (america has a fence and that doesnt relaly slow em down much a wall will be a problem for like maybe 1 month.) also other rich bastards know how to help the retards in mexico smuggle drugs its a multi billion dollar industry that not only cartels profit.

Its true though that hillary is the worse choice between the 2.

Apparently he's racist and hates women, Hitler is sometimes mentioned.
That's all I've ever heard and that's their entire argument.

all of this are true.

How hard can it be? Germany, a country smaller than Texas, managed to round up 11 million people while simultaneously devoting resources towards waging war against the rest of the world. Didn't they? :^)

> A FUCKING LEAF
Thats shit posting at its finest.
This man asked a serious question
But i always get my hopes high for /pol.

Either he

-Wants to torture more war criminals
-Wants to kill the innocent family members of Isis
-Makes fun of disabled reporters

OR

-He's a complete liar who was only being controversial to stir shit up and get press coverage

Still better than Illary.

To be fair famalam isnt a smaller area easier to round up no matter how much population it had than something the size of america or even texas? since pop density is smaller if im not msitaken.

> A FUCKING BASED LEAF
I tend to think its the latter one.

As far as economy goes, remember back in 2008, when a few people couldn't pay there mortgages, and the entire world economy dissolved? We are the worlds largest economy by far. Sure countries like China may be out-producing us industrailly, and quickly catching up to us, but most of what they produce is for the US consumer base. If we stopped buying so much shit all the time southeast asia would be heating their homes with pig shit again within a couple years.

Maybe I overshot it for a good amount, but comparing it to the Israel wall that was for the most part finished in 3 years, and considering how it may be a priority in Trump's run, and that we are talking about US maybe it could take 2 years~.
Nice one Muhamed Adbul.
But reminder that cartel's weapons consist of shit the US sells to the mexican goverment they steal (mostly assault riffles, sometimes armored trucks) and for the most part weapons they buy with the drug bussiness in US, more riffles and light weapons.
ISIS weapons mostly are US military shit, which isn't just assault riffles but also many kind of explosives, plus they are WAY better trained, and WAY more.
Mexico actually is a country with money, altough corrupt and destroyed we do have money from oil and shit.

His tax plan would increase our debt. I'm 100% cutting corporate taxes, but not income. Then again, it's possible he might supplement the tax cuts with tariffs.