What are the most eye-rolling romances in comics/cartoons?

this was palcomix-tier romance

It wasn't that bad
Now this was bad

wasnt that really popular?

And this was unspeakable
There's no accounting for bad taste

No. Starcrossed was easily one of the best episodes of the DCAU.

You're just bummed because 'muh racemixing propaganda'

It would have tolerable if they didn't show Carter, what was the point of that.

Nah fuck you, that one was cute.

>palcomix-tier
I don't see both of them wearing a diaper or into tickling

It was pretty great desu. It grew organically so it didn't come randomly out of nowhere and it was arguably an important plot point for season 1's overarching story.

This was okay I guess, but it didn't seem to really go anywhere.

To emphasize she'd been BLACKED

If you're way into the Hawks from the comics, I can see why Hawkgirl's story would irk you, since it uses the canon very very loosely, and pretty much tosses Hawkman aside completely aside from that one easter egg nod.

It's kind of annoying because the story of the Hawks is so convoluted, they could have opted to go with any of the past canon backstories, but instead they went with a mishmash of an already mishmashed history.

As a youngling who had absolutely no prior knowledge of Justice League or Superman outside of the cartoon I fucking loved them. I loved Hawkgirl and shipped them hard.

What was so bad about BM/WW?

Batman cared for Wonder Woman but hid his feelings, which would create hilarious moments because he would act embarrassed when caught and others would poke fun of the situation.
Wonder Woman cared for Batman, but would be either regal or upfront about.
And their interactions was entertaining because they were both stubborn and had great banter.

The bets part about it, though, is that it never really went anywhere. It was just teasing to make Batman lose his stoicism.

The Green Lantern/Hawkgirl romance went into the shitter once they started with the "pawn of destiny" nonsense and introduced Vixen and Carter to be cucks.

Now this is a shit-show.

Will DC ever do SM/WW right?

The only stories that i can see as okay with this pairing is JLA: A League of One and DC: The New Frontier, but even then i don't know if these stories count.

...but nothing happened?

If something had happened, it would've ruined.

>Batman cared for Wonder Woman but hid his feelings, which would create hilarious moments because he would act embarrassed when caught and others would poke fun of the situation.
That. That's why. It was cheesy and eyerolling. Like an anime tsundere romance but reversed

If there's someone who can be tsundere, that is Batman.

>Will DC ever do SM/WW right?
No.

Tsundere is nothing anyone should ever be

It was stupid and spit in the face of Hawkwoman and Hawkman, all so McDuffie's self-insert could get him some white tail.

It was done pretty well in Kingdom Come

I'm not a shipper, so every ship is alright by me. I think there's potential to do something interesting with SM/WW, but DC seems fucking incapable of doing it. I don't know why.

People say because they look like brothers, but that's bull.

cuck

>The Green Lantern/Hawkgirl romance went into the shitter once they started with the "pawn of destiny" nonsense

Really? I don't remember that at all. Though it's been a while. What was that about? As for the other people, they weren't set up to be "cucks", they were there because GL and HG broke up due to the whole Thanagarian invasion betrayal thing. You think superheroes shouldn't date on the rebound?

Everybody love this kind of thing.

No, it wasn't. Kingdom Come is a pretty comic and there are some nice concepts there, but SM/WW portion of the comic is horrible.

I mean didn't they basically give Jon aspects of Hawkman like his connection to shayera from a past life and the inevitability of their being together in the future.

That's what Batman is, a Tsundere.
Hell he fits one the most common stereotypes for tsunderes:
>rich
>emotionally damaged
>tries to mask his feelings
>puts on an angry violent facade and tends to hit people
>i-it's not like I like you or anything, Wonder Woman senpai

Tsundere Batman is best Batman.

I like my Batman who cares deeply for the people around and try to do nice things for them, but do it in a very convoluted and messed up way all so people won't figure out his keikaku and be aware that he's deep down actually a big softy.

>Starfire x Robin
>Kim x Ron
>Sam x Danny
>Korra x Anyone
>Katara x Aang
>Any romance where the bland boring main character gets with the bland boring best friend
>Peanut Butter x Jelly

They have more or less the same personality. In reality, this would mean they have good compatibility, but in fiction it just makes for a boring romance. So they try to spice it up, which inevitably leads to one of them needing to be warped, and it's probably going to be Diana. There's also the issue that it will never, ever stick because Superman must be with Lois or the multiverse will implode or something.

Batman and Green Lantern went to the future to catch Cronus and there Green Lantern learned he'd have a son with Hawkgirl who'd end up becoming a hero called Warhawk.

When Batman and Green Lantern came back, Green Lanter decided to he wouldn't let himself be a pawn to destiny, he'd make his own future, which meant staying far away from Hawkgirl and never pumping her with a baby.

>kim x ron
what? that was one of the most anticipate ones

Does he realize the future was simply a result of his actions and that if he went to the future again he'd see no Warhawk?

>Green Lanterns in charge of thinking

>Starfire x Robin

The fuck? Robin x Starfire is extremely superior to Robin x Batgirl.

Playing up emotional stunting for comedic value does not amuse me. Even if it is appropriate for Bruce I will cringe every time it is done, because tsundere by it's nature is terrible. It's not cute, funny or appealing in any way to me

That entirely depends on the nature of time, destiny and all that mystical shit

>white

Shit was stupid and made no sense, specially because Cronus had messed up the time-stream by changing so much things basically making the future corrupted. Things were disappearing and shit. There's a moment where John Stewart transforms himself into Hal Jordan.

So Green Lantern refusing to patch things up with Hawkgirl despite clearly liking her still was dumb as hell. Just created unnecessary drama and made the character look bone-headed.

He should've been with Raven

>It's not cute, funny or appealing in any way to me

I disagree. Seeing people making an ass of themselves because they can function like grown-up human beings is funny as hell. Other's embarrassment is everybody's amusement.

>anticipated
Not from what I remember. I remember people wondering why they weren't together at an earlier point because of how obvious it was that they would hook up. There was platonic friendship in the show the entire time and both of them had their own romances.

I decided to read the comics to find out how they eventually get together. Hawkgirl becomes the rebound girl after the Shadow Thief kills Vixen and he gets kicked out of the Corps for killing Shadow Thief.

Man those comics were weird.

Well I like it, specially if this leads to development.

Yuck.

I'd rather they don't. If they actually make it work (which is possible with decent writing) people might start to like this pairing. And that's no good!

Those comics were terrible. They couldn't decide if they took place in the main canon or in the DCAU canon. They were references to Hush and Batman, Inc, things that never existed in the DCAU.

I guess we remember things differently, since not one of my friends were against it, and most of them liked it

on the other hand, we are probably friends with people of similar taste

I agree also Beastboy's personality meshes a whole lot better with Starfire.

Well if it makes you feel better, in Beyond-verse he gets back with Shayera about a week after his wife, Vixen, dies and they live happily ever after. In the same story it was also shown that Hawkman lived a miserable and lonely existence until he was painfully executed unceremoniously.

How was that in any way bad?

Good thing it's a cartoon no? The original JL cartoon was nothing serious nor tried to be.

>Other's embarrassment is everybody's amusement.
Ah, I see. So you've never experienced second-hand embarrassment?

That's fucked up on so many levels

>palcomix
Time for a nostalgic fap

Nuh-uh, compatibility in fiction means everyone's obsessed with their polar opposite

This is a cartoon. Who fucking cares? Same goes for any movie or book too.

it's worth noting that people with the same personalities getting together, while more likely, is also unlikely to cause change in a person

this means that opposites getting together, though more unlikely, also more believably drives the need to change and develop, which is a much better thing to portray on screen

>Fucks another chick
>Moves on in one week
>Hawkbro cucked

Not even Guy would do this.

The fucked up thing about the SM/WW pairing is that DC represent it as a sorta of response to SM/LL. It's like the Superman Red and Superman Blue thing, where one goes with Lois Lane and the other with Lana Lang.

But in the case of SM/WW, you've a choice between Clark Kent and Superman.

If Superman/Clark Kent choose Lois Lane, he's choosing the Clark Kent route. Where he'll be more Clark than Superman, will marry Lois, work at the Daily Planet and so on. Lois even calls him "Smallville" to drive the point home.
If Superman/Clark Kent choose Wonder Woman, he's choosing the Superman route. Where he'll be pretty much Superman, will have super-sex with Wonder Woman, defend the planet alongside the Justice League. Likewise Wonder Woman calls him by "Kal".

That's how DC plays the whole thing. As if to be with Wonder Woman, Clark needs to die. Then they push the whole "world inside a bottle" bullshit.

A good writer could do something like make them see their flaws mirrored.

>second hand embarrassment from a cartoon character
Lel go to sleep nigga

a good writer could do anything

and personally i dont favor one over the other, but it is easy to see why people are more receptive to one

>palcomix
>nostalgic

The whole opposite attract trope is for story-telling purpose. To create a story about a couple you need characters that will add things to the dynamic. Two characters alike being together add shit to the story. What you can do with one, you can do with both, so why make a story about two characters that are alike?

Yeah, the characters will see their flaws mirrored, but what then? What can come out of it? The characters won't have any answer that the other already know or new point view because they're both in the same situation.

The whole thing won't evolve beyond "I know that feel, bro".

I'm not gonna call it subtle, but compared to the GL/HG in your face literally every time they interact groan inducing relationship, BM/WW was nowhere near as annoying. One was cheesy fanfic tier dialogue and the other was simple flirting

Oh right, I remember that. Yeah that shit was stupid.

All of it.
The only believable romance is where both parties are unlikable abusive shitbags.

Maybe they can reflect on it like normal human beings with brains and actually make an attempt to change, you don't need someone to give you all the answers.

Nightwing/Batgirl then?

dude cuckolding

Why does that even make a difference? If it's human enough to empathize with it's going to trigger the same responses. If it isn't then what's even the point of watching? I just don't like tsundere, and I guess I'm in the minority that doesn't get a hearty chuckle out of stunted manbabies spilling their spaghetti

Harley Quinn and Oracle.

>arguing about archetypes
you might as well complain your hammer isnt screwing in nails

Is there something you want to talk about user?

Uwot mate.
You can learn and make an attempt to change by observing your flaws reflected in others, in fact it's common for people to not even perceive sonething as a problem until they see someone else do it/deal with consequences.
And the solutions don't need to be handed to you, in fact the struggle to find a way to change is often as interesting as the struggle to change.

I think you need to spend more time around people and less time around unidimensional cartoon projections of people.

>Why does that even make a difference? If it's human enough to empathize with it's going to trigger the same responses.

Dude, its like complaining that Tom&Jerry are too mean.

Jerry IS too mean

We're not talking about real people, but stories, user.

Sure, you have a couple that face the same issues and once they see they're in the same situation they make a pact to change. Here's the problem, though: they're alike and face the same problems. So you only have one story up your sleeve to tell with both.

It's very limiting.

Now when characters are different and go through different problems, one can add a new perspective to the other's problems, and you can explore more than one story with them.

Take any great pairing, romantic or not. The characters are usually different. The crazy white cop, bad stoic cop kinda thing. Or uptight Cyclops and unruly Wolverine. Or the cheerful and charming Superman and the grumpy and creepy Batman.

Now I want to see you turn it into a story entertaining.

but Jerry IS an asshole

>middle pic is new52 in a nutshell

Moore may be a hack, but at least he got this right.

my point being that the both of them are valid forms of character, limited only by how you use them

it is just that most people prefer the dynamic of one over the other, this does not invalidate the other

See, the problem is that the way you're describing things you're pretty much telling the story of a single guy or girl facing her problems alone.

But we're talking about a 1+1 dynamic. So yes, we need characters lending each other things they can't get alone and doing things together.

The biggest hurdle most people have in dealing with their flaws is that they never realize what they are. An outside perspective makes things much clearer than stumbling around on your own, thus progress can actually be made.
And having someone to go "I know that feel" with is a pretty big goal for us humans. Companionship and all that.

Peanut Butter and Jelly were childhood friends so I was glad when they got together. It was sweet.

>So yes, we need characters lending each other things they can't get alone and doing things together.
Like...perspective?

But you prefer the cartoons where they shit on each other or the ones where they talk and are friends and have same personality and goals?

Peanut Butter and Jelly is disgusting and never belonged together. Fuck everyone who's ever shipped them. Peanut Butter belongs with Peanut Butter and Jelly with Jelly. Fuck this condiment mixing garbage.

I understand that the contrast is important for the reasons you mentioned, my point is simply that it doesn't have to be bad.
I mean, would it be impossible to do it well? I don't see anything that really proves that, other than the issues levied before, but even those are just bumps for someone who knows what they are doing.

I'm not nearly skilled enough.
I'm just saying it's not really an impediment to making a good story that has character development come outta the romance.

Beast Boy was a straight up annoying ass towards Raven 99% of the time in the cartoon, and not in a flirtatious or intentionally riling up/joke-y way, in a "I'm fucking dumb and obnoxious as shit and completely unaware of my own behaviour and I don't like this miserable emo kid" way. BBRae fags always talk about them 'completing' each other but fuck, Robin did a much better job in getting Raven to soften up and isn't borderline retarded.

Is this some kind of trick question? The latter clearly

Everything Young Justice. Seriously like everybody needs to pair up with somebody just because. You would think Batman would give some advice against dating your teammates.

Yes, new perspective. Fresh eyes.

For example imagine if Superman and Batman were alike. Two kryptinian brothers that share the same background and the same kind of way of thinking.

Imagine of fucking boring their adventures would be.

We don't want to see two characters agreeing with each other all the time and doing things the same way and being content in being in each other's company. That might make a super in tune couple, but makes a boring story.

The cool thing is that you can mirror the issue and then show them diverge in how they deal with it.
Then again I'm just parroting the words of an actual writer.

Same here. I know the feeling.

I prefer when it isn't a one-sided Tom-bashing torture porno