An argument with my sister

a while ago my sister and I got into a heated argument while we were at a wedding. To vent without causing a scene she sent me an email that I thought you might want to read.
>part 1
user,

I am writing this down because you may be more able to absorb the information contained therein and because I don’t think it’s good for the family for us to be angry with each other.

I want to be clear that the reason your claims make me angry is because the beliefs behind them are actively harmful to women, people of colour, and others. They are part of a world view that reinforces bigotry, stereotypes, and injustice, and are rooted in long histories of discrimination, ignorance, and injustice. Of course that makes me angry.

Other urls found in this thread:

newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-think).
economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/donald-trumps-xenophobia)
m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-harder-charts
theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trump-assumes-that-a-majority-of-gop-voters-are-bigots/419328/)
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

>part 2
Firstly - Justin Trudeau. Trudeau was elected with a huge majority of the popular vote in Canada after 10 or so years under a GW Bush like arch-conservative Stephen Harper, many of whose policies were actively damaging to the scientific community - who he muzzled and underfunded, the arts, who again were underfunded, first nations people, who suffer vastly greater proportions of depression, alcohol abuse, poverty, etc and who were, as a group, ignored at times of intense need. He pushed for privatisation and limiting healthcare, reducing the kinds of controls on the banks that stopped Canada from suffering as badly as other countries during the bank bailout crisis, and many other bits of legislation rooted in common conservative ideas that often assume that people are personally at fault for situations that are often due to discrimination at a infrastructural level.

Trudeau was elected on a policy of returning Canada to being Canadian and not like the US. Some of his recent policies include extending anti-discrimination policies to cover transpeople, signing onto the Paris climate accords and pushing legislation to make Canada greener & work against climate change, un-muzzled the federally funded scientists so they can share their research with the world, improved access to prescription drugs through bulk buying, increasing infrastructure spending, pushing through an investigation fund into the disappearance and murders of dozens of first nations women which is part of a larger shift in national politics towards the indigenous groups of Canada, particularly regarding education funding and reconciliation recommendations for the mass abuse that happened against first nations people and children historically. He’s also trying to grant asylum for thousands of Syrian refugees.

Email her back yet?

Shoot her in the fucking ovaries so she can't breed.

Then shot her in the head.

>part 3
He is loudly and proudly feminist - and he talks about it so much because he understands it should not be news - the belief that men and women should have the same rights and opportunities is a just belief. People who are afraid to call themselves feminist are responding to sexism or actively sexist. Everyone should be feminist (everyone should also be an intersectional feminist - as the lens of feminism helps to see other forms of discrimination that often coincide and intertwine with sexism - like racism, classism, and discrimination against people with disabilities); women as a group have been and continue to be discriminated against, and by identifying as feminist he shows that a) he know that the oppression exists and b) he thinks it is unfair and wants to work against said oppression.

His egalitarian cabinet is not tokenism, but a deliberate action against sexism, cronyism, nepotism, and racism that often accompanies political appointments. The fact that you *presume* that his choices are tokenistic is offensive, because underlying that statement is the presumption that the people he has chosen are incompetent, or less competent than white men would be.

You are making the logical error of thinking that because white men have often held such posts in the past, they are more likely to be capable of doing the work. Instead, you need to understand that it is women and minorities who have been looked over - discriminated against - because of the sexism and racism of the people doing the appointing - it is notable and Trudeau is proud because his choices are actively pushing *against* the received sexism, racism, and cronyism that usually colours politics at the highest levels.

I will legit trade places with her so she can see how good we have it in cuckanada

God this cunt sounds like she posts on neogaf. Seriously just kill her.

tldr
just another bullshit "if you dont agree with muh feels, you are a racist/sexist/hitler"

>part 4
Obama does similar things when he makes a point of choosing, for example, people of colour and women for the Supreme Court. The women he chooses are hugely impressive, competent, experienced judges and perfectly suited to being on the SC. Are there also white men who would be competent? Possibly, but as a group white men are already heavily represented throughout the justice system and particularly at high levels. Obama’s choice are BOTH good and based on skill AND actively pushing against the OVER-representation of white men.

Same with Trudeau. His choices are BOTH for competent people who are well suited to the work AND actively pushing against the endemic racism and sexism that acts against people who are not white, middle class, able-bodied men. BOTH OF THESE THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. Claiming it’s tokenism implies firstly that his choices aren’t made with an eye to competence, but *only* the appearance of diversity, and would not be reflected in less visible roles. It also suggests that you personally don’t believe it is *possible* for someone to have a diverse cabinet based on skill, which in itself is a racist/sexist/ableist view.

Let me make a comparison. Because you have Aspergers, ADHD, and depression, there are those who would discriminate against you in an employment situation. This would have nothing to do with you abilities or potential, but their own ideas about what limitations *every* person with disability or mental illness has. They would presume to know your limitations based on their ideas about a whole group - a stereotype, damaging in this case, which would affect not just you, but every person with disability or mental illness whom this discriminating person was exposed to.

I hope your parents are ashamed that they gave birth to a fucking cunt.

She makes coherent arguments and seems to understand politics.
The thing about red-pilled people is that they do know of some truths, they are still massively ignorant on real-world politics beyond memes.

I bet you feel an instinct to call her a cuck, a SJW or whatever but cannot formulate a coherent response.
Stop being stupid OP and think for yourself for once, it's pathetic that you run to your echo chamber so they can fight your battles for you.

You are not any better than blue-pilled dummies following SJW Facebook pages and getting their opinions from there.

>Aspergers, ADHD, and depression

why no suicide OP?

Have you ever seen her naked?

OP, just send her back a meme and the text "tl;dr"

Engaging idiots is pointless because they are incapable of thinking on your level, and thus will try to force you down to theirs (where they will win because idiots can't use logic or reason)

Just meme her into submission

>She makes coherent arguments
>German flag

kek

she's just recycling the same old baseless pablum

Just respond with this single image

Merkel, is, is that you? Kind of sounds like you.

This.

German dude is a literal fucking cuckold so I didn't even bother replying.

>a list of straw men followed by savage ad hom.

I'd cut her out, man.

Uh yes, discriminating against someone with depression or aspergers or ADD has everything to do with their performance.

Sounds like a college kid being fed this stuff from some blue-haired professor

REPLY THIS:
Equality is a Lie
Political Correctness is Social Communism
Immigration is Invasion

Also give her the hundred years of IQ stats showing Ameircan blacks average 85 IQ

>part 5
These sorts of beliefs, as many people unfairly and ignorantly hold views about the capabilities of certain groups, mean that as a whole, people with disabilities and mental illness are discriminated against - all the time, not just in employment situations. Simply the fact that there are so many building that are not wheelchair accessible is a presumption - built into the very architecture of our world. That decision *presumes* that people in wheelchairs will not or do not belong in the building. It presumes that the building is *only* for non-wheelchair users. Stephen Hawking is widely regarded as possibly the most intelligent man alive - and yet there are millions of buildings he cannot even enter because he is not able-bodied.

This is what infrastructural discrimination is - it is decisions made perpetually on a grand scale because privileged groups of people who have power and agency in creating our world - usually white, rich, able-bodied, straight, cis-gendered men - do not *consider* people who are unlike them, the world is built in ways that make *their* lives easier and *other* lives more difficult.

For Trudeau to actively push against generations of such discrimination IS a matter of pride, because he is righting a wrong. Canada *should* be proud that their leader is setting an example to the world, in the same way that Iceland should be proud of the gender equality of their political institutions that they have made real efforts to reform pursuing a more just and fair world.

Discrimination, institutional and individual, is NOT FAIR. The world is NOT FAIR - and the right thing to do is to try to make the world a more just place. To pretend it’s impossible is intellectually lazy, to assume that the injustice is somehow the fault of the oppressed groups rather than a function of cultural and social history and infrastructure is prejudice.

This.

All those "positive" points she listed for Trudeau are actually huge negatives. He's not making Canada Canada again, he's making Canada brown so liberals can be in office forever.

Like she said, you're a depressed autist, and she made some good points. Gotta agree with on this one.

Omg there is more

shut the fuck up you cunt

>Aspergers, ADHD, and depression
this is troll

She thinks that dumping your earnings into making the world more accessible for potato people is FAIR.

>part 6
Donald Trump is a politician whose every policy is based on just these sorts of logical fallacies and prejudice. If he reaches the presidency it would be actively damaging to HUGE swathes of the population - people of colour, people who aren’t Christian, women, people on low incomes or in insecure jobs, people with disabilities - as well as being actively damaging internationally. This is a man whose belligerence could cause war.

Trump’s views on women are sexist (google ’trump sexism’ and you will find plenty of gross examples). Trump’s businesses have a long history of cheating people and losing money - Trump University is a famous example and people are still suing him for that (here is an article in the New Yorker about how terrible it is - newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-think). He has gone bankrupt 4 times. Bankruptcy isn’t just about him personally losing money, the debt that he’s accrued isn’t paid back and has a knock-on effect on all the people whose investment money he has taken. In the case of large banks etc obviously it’s not a big deal, but there are individuals who have suffered too. He holds many terrible xenophobic and racist views (economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/donald-trumps-xenophobia) essentially saying things like all Mexicans are drug runners and all Muslims are terrorists.

you forgot your proxy

Of course you do you fucking nation wrecking jew .

>Trudeau was elected with a huge majority of the popular vote


39% Stopped reading there, your sister is a retard.

Also, what normal human being writes a letter to a brother regarding politics and words it like a person trying to sound like a lawyer.

This better be some made up shit, OP.

jesus fucking christ it just keeps going?

this is autism of the most severe kind.

also she hit all the lib bullshit buzzwords in a row
*white, rich, able-bodied, straight, cis-gendered men* holy fuck

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Let's get a pic of her, OP.

>BOTH OF THESE THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.

either you're picking the most competent choices regardless of any other factor

or you're weighing in factors such as "diversity" as well, meaning your selection criterion is not 100% competence and competence alone

they are mutually exclusive

however your sister's opening line leads me to believe she's already picked her worldview and will easily dismiss small logical inconsistencies like that in order to maintain it

>it reinforces bigotry
her whole email is bigotry. Refer her to a dictionary then watch her eat crow.

WTF I hate your sister now

k

Race is not a social construct, equality is a social construct. As are human rights.

Godspeed you dumb autistic faggot

tell her to relax no one wants to listen to some liberal harpy ranting about her political beliefs. At the same time don't go out "redpilling" normans about the holohoax or something, you have to subtly redpill them start with things like Hillary Clinton wanting full out war with Syria or how "racially conscious" liberals are as they outright deny racial crime or iq statistics.

>still massively ignorant on real-world politics beyond memes.
kind of like Trudeau and his bitch sister on who actually has to pay to fund the scientists, the arts and the first nations
some people actually understand where tax monies comes from
and some people also understand that if you're good at art, and you're good at science, you're going to get funded - just like how it happens in the USA.

FUCK

After part 3 I started doubting someone's sister actually wrote all of this especially due to a disagreement at a wedding. This seems like it's pulled from some blog.

there's really no way to argue against this type of idiocy, best you can do is reply with "Not an argument." with a pepe meme

Under Justine Trudeau the hero of Quebec, natives are fine now, science is awesome, the economy is ..... Yeah natives are fine now!

Tell her if she really cares about the well being of those people she should think why are they poor and oppressed.

And the reason is that they can't get jobs because imigrants take their jobs or their jobs get outsourced. A man that brings back those jobs and makes the job market willing to hire such people will make them safer.

And when talking about Sexism tell her that Trump has helped many women(like that Black artist that lost her family) and if he was a real misogynist he wouldn't work with so many women or praise his daughter so much.

And ask her if she is jealous on Ivanka.

do you need us to tell you how wrong she is about everything or do you already know the answers?

Trump bankruptcy pro-spoiler:
They were casinos located in a destitude city in an overburdened state run and in the chokehold of democrats that took the earnings out of Atlantic City and invested it in places like Camden and Newark.

Other than that, investors understand the risk before they go into a certain venture. That's why people have limited liability corporations.

After each bankruptcy, you're telling me Donald Trump got up and tried again and lenders gave him even more money? That's badass!
-t. Patton Oswalt

Y'all are all retarded, this is either a shill or just a shitposter calling Sup Forums autistic for shits and giggles

You should focus on her last paragraph, suggest that the value of fairness is not the highest value, suggest that because white male cis blah blah blah created the world, uncenterimg us might destroy (not improve) this world, that the past is not worse than the present (but the present benifits from this myth).

Above all thank her for taking the time to write you at such length, and yo respect you enough to engage your ideas, that family is the most important thing, and you will always love her, even if you disagree about politics.

Dude, this.
Some libtard on my Kikebook posted this link:
m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-harder-charts

This is all shit Trump would fix - in Mother Jones.

People like this are just too far gone to reason with. I can't imagine autistic and brainwashed you have to be to write all of that nonsense. don't bother with a serious reply

This must be an entire family of sperglords

God damn. I'd cut all ties with my sister if she ever turned into that.

That's not even bluepill. That's some weird color. Like midnightbluepill or peachpuffpill.

Trudeau was not elected with a huge majority of the popular vote. In fact, he did not even poll a majority at all. The Liberal Party received 39.5% of the popular vote.

It is not the automatic role of the state to finance the arts; art has a purely subjective value, and has little utility for the community at large, unless that community should democratically choose to allocate some of its resources to finance art. It is claimed that certain policies "underfunded" the arts and the sciences. The value of art cannot be quantified, and the results of scientific investigation cannot be known prior to the process of investigation, so the optimal budget allocation for scientific investigation cannot be known. As such, it is impossible to "underfund" these areas, for the proper funding can only be determined by arbitrary value judgements and guesswork.

"Unmuzzling" scientists might at first glance appear to work for the collective human benefit in the extreme long term, but only at the expense of Canadian competitive advantage. If the advantages of scientific progress are immediately available to all states, firms, other actors, etc, there will be no comparative advantage in researching new techniques, developing new equipment, etc, because every competitor will be able to use what was developed at not cost to themselves. If you want development, development must have an adequate reward. Exclusivity for the moment is the price of progress.

(cont.)

>yes this is real
>this is her next to my dad at the wedding
>part 7
Americans often think rich people are successful because they are better and smarter than less rich people. They trust businessmen because they associate being rich with other positive traits, and are raised on the American Dream/'pull yourself up by your bootstraps and have a private plane' mythology. Trump, for some, embodies that success, even though he has the money he does because his father gave him millions of dollars. Trump’s loudly expressed racist, sexist, and ignorant views are also a clarion call to the racist, sexist, and ignorant voting block of Americans - these are people who see difficulty in their own lives and blame other groups of people for the bad things in their lives. Like men who think they’re single because women are gold-digging, shallow bitches. Like people who think they’re unemployed because an illegal immigrant stole their job. Their beliefs are factually false, but Trump is reinforcing their views.

It is impossible to know if Trump is actually a xenophobic bigot (see this article - theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trump-assumes-that-a-majority-of-gop-voters-are-bigots/419328/) - but he’s certainly vocalising the racist fears of an ignorant, extreme group of American voters, akin to the creepy religious zealotry of the Tea Partiers of previous years.

Trumps supporters include the KKK, leader of Russia (who is terrible) Vladimir Putin, and leader of North Korea Kim Jong Un - who is also an insane despot in a nation that is terribly oppressive. They support him because *he is like them*.

She's just listing things off without even back any of it up. Tell her to list one point at a time and we will help you wreck each one. Then she tries ad hominems to attack you personally rather than stick to her arguments she'll call you out for being an autistic with depression.

Did autism exist before 1990? Because people have different abilities and cannot conform to sitting for 8 hours in a class room because it's not actually normal, they get labeled? In the real world, autists are great workers because they can focus on a single task very well like chopping wood or something for 8-9 hours a day. Where in the real world do people sit for 8-9 hours listening to poison that is public education? If public education is so great, why are people struggling after they get a high school diploma?

On this point you should run on the fact that the people who left the oppressive communist dictatorships in Eastern Europe have also taken up the american dream.

These people only hope was to see American shows in the 80's like Dalas and Cowboy movies. These brought a bit of the American dream there and made them search for it themselves. These people though hit with the economic disaster of the 90's saw some of the fastest economic growth. And though they still face stuff like corruption or crime they are happy. They are happy that with enough hard work, some smarts and a bit of luck they can become rich.

Ask her if she nows better about the happiness the ability to work hard and get rewarded then the people that had to wait in bread lines until finally they got a chance.

The push for "green energy" is laudable, but unfortunately not realistic. The price for making Canada "greener" is staggering. All green technologies are not cost effective when compared to fossil fuel alternatives. Hence, there is an efficiency cost to environmentally considerate policy. Further, there is an immense cost to retooling Canada's energy infrastructure, a cost that competes with other progressive policies, public education, improving access to affordable heathcare, and so on. Even if Canada were to "go green" the country would still be heavily dependent upon exporting fossil fuels to other nations. Being green in this case really means just enabling other countries to do the polluting. Global warming continues.

Feminism as a political ideology has been high-jacked by every minor interest group that wishes to justify its selfish aggrandizement through the guise of egalitarianism. This is not unique to feminism. Every ideological camp presents itself as a monument to perfection, and every ideological camp is peopled by individuals who act purely with regard to their own self-interest. Marxism is the refuge of the urban wage-worker, and, recently, the underemployed college graduate. Black Lives Matter activists are majority black. It is impossible to take the moral high ground in the pursuit of one's own self-interest.

(Cont.)

>he's sexist
Which is why he employs so many women? Which is why Ivanka is so successful and he pushes her down because shes a woman right?

>he went bankrupt 4 times
Proof? He never went bankrupt. She's a fucking moron that cannot differentiate between his investments going under and him personally going under. There's a difference.

A man who invests in many companies, obviously there are risks. Like he said, tons of people lost money when they invested in Atlantic city thinking it would become a bedrock of gaming and entertainment. It failed, businesses went under, people lost money. Those businesses went bankrupt. Not him. Even Gordon Ramsey as successful as he is, didn't his show invest in tons of restaurants trying to help them back to success and even with their help MANY of them went back to being failures. Very few have managed to even stay in business, does that mean Gordon Ramsey and his show went bankrupt?

You can pretty much just say
>blah blah different people have different beliefs and values, which leads to diverging policy stances even in the face of the same information etc etc Listing things you don't like along with a list of -ists and -isms is not an argument, and while I've read your email in full, I am not converted.
Then just end it with some pleasantries about getting along in spite of political differences.

is she an english major or what?

tell her if she is looking for a career huffpo is hiring

>arch-conservative Stephen Harper

Harper was as much a conservative as there is right wing party in Europe.

Also firebeaters.

>colour
>supposed to be American
>spells like an archaic bong, or at least does it to appear sophisticated

I don't even know what to think.

Hey Hans, how does it know that every political view you hold is due to decades of indoctrination by the left?

she has a major in film but wanted one in theater

Guess it wasn't a nice day for a white wedding huh OP

Did you not tell her she is going to end up jobless with such a meme degree?

>people of color

Send a one sentence email: opinion discarded

Trudeau sells arms to Saudi Arabia. Let that sink in. Proud feminist.

#stopenslavingsaudiwomen

Send this to her. Ask if Mr. Proud feminist participate?

Just end her life before she fucks some nigger and writes a blog about it how great it was.

Jesus Christ, she wrote this and has the gall to say you're the autist? She probably is just undiagnosed.

>Firstly - Justin Trudeau

Yeah, she's retarded.

Race relations are worst in fifty years under Obama. Obama pays his female staffers 77% of what he pays men. Was called on it several times.

One can talk about "systemic oppression" of women for ages, but what about men? Men die younger, on average, than women. Men are more likely to be homeless. Men are pushed into the most dangerous professions at a rate much higher than women. For the first time in history, women entering the workforce now have a higher income than men in the United States. This is not brought up to "mansplain" inequity, but to recognize that inequity is, actually, often equitable. There are trade-offs in any relationship between two actors, and the relationship between the sexes is no different. You focus on the costs, and ignore the benefits. There is no "being afraid" of calling oneself a feminist, there is only a dispassionate appraisal of things as they are, not how one likes to imagine them to be.

His cabinet is tokenism. Recognizing this should not "offend" anyone. It is claimed that the statement underlines the "presumption" that those cabinet members are incompetent. This is your own reading into the meaning of the statement, utterly divorced from the statement itself. You say that his cabinet is "a deliberate action against sexism, cronyism, nepotism, and racism." Thus, for those purposes, his cabinet is much more competent than "white men would be." However, this must also be seen within the context of "sexism, cronyism, nepotism, and racism." For if it was a deliberate action against these things, individuals who might be associated with such things would be selected against. Hence, logically, the efforts to combat discrimination are implicitly discriminatory.

(Cont.)

She said literaly nothing. It is all empty post modernist phrases.

No way she wrote all this wtf this is way too long.

>major in film
>film
>movies
>she majored in movies
>a degree in a medium of art
>she has a 4 year degree in a medium that is near exclusively produced for profit rather than artistic value

WEW
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I look at this bullshit and I shudder. What's wrong with you people? How can it be that a family is so divided over a non-issue like niggers or fucking Trudeau? That faggot Trudeau might as well not even exist for all you know, you only saw him on TV. How can it be that your sister isn't looking up to you and doesn't seek guidance from you, her brother? I thought for a moment you both were underage, but apparently you're not. What is this shit? And you fags posting ITT are not better - cut ties with her, shoot her in the ovaries, what the fuck?

Here's some advice OP. Love your sister and tolerate her bullshit instead of trying to force the red pill on her with walls of text. She'll come around eventually, and on her own.

How old is your sister?

Complete waffle. She threw out her pre-cooked package of injustices to derail from talk about hiring people based on their merit. Trudeau making 50/50 cabinet means that he either had to dismiss qualified men, or qualified women. He had two brackets with irrelevant labels he had to fill, instead of just one to fill with most qualified.

Female politicians time and time again prove that having other gender don't bring diverse outlook. Politician is not a man or a woman, politician is a politician.

Why do you have such long political conversations with your sister? Women normally aren't interested in politics.

>meant for part 5

>Aspergers
You are making Sup Forums look bad m8

>colour

She's not your sister.

I'm feeling the same way, What the fuck? Where can I find women like this. All the women I talk to here in California are just a bunch of basic ass bitches going "WYD?" "oh okay lmao" and "hahaha"

"hahaha" pisses me off the most. Holy shit, I 'm triggered

>let me make a comparison. Because you have aspergers, ADHD and depression

It must also be recognized that for structural purposes originating in discrimination it might be that white men are generally more qualified than other demographics in the arts of governing. This is because of advantages accrued to them as after-effects of overt discrimination. The "feminist" who does not discriminate must make selections according only to merit, and white men are structurally predisposed to being more qualified. This does not mean that white men are born superior, only that through environmental factors they have become more competitive. Selection on personal talent alone must perpetuate the rule of the white man. Tokenism, selection for the purposes of appealing to a certain demographic, or for ideological reasons, selects for the advantages of popular appeal and ideology, not for the merits of good governing.

Obama, I agree, is equally progressive. He bombs women and children with drone strikes, not just men. His NSA apparatus spies on every American, regardless of gender, race, age, income level, Constitutional rights, etc. He is a good role model for anyone who wishes to pursue egalitarianism to its logical conclusion.

(Cont.)

She is just unable to say it out loud, has to double check with her oppression diary.

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>depressed Sup Forumstard sperglord gets severely BTFO by his vastly intellectually superior SJW sister
>is incapable of formulating a coherent thought-out response
>realizes he can't just respond with a .jpg and "thanks for correcting my record, you shill" in real life
lol

Welcome to liberal education. This is actually nothing, she still sound like a novice.

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It's so easy to reply to her arrogance but she will never understand what you'd say. Women if they ''find'' the truth themselves they keep it forever until it's impossible to do so, and that's rare. She's a lost cause, and he's a dumbass for not treating her like shit.

>tfw it will only take 20 more years for Germany to be destroyed and Germans and their shitty posts will be no longer.

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