Very short Crumb story time!

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The best cross-hatcher in the business.

somehow never pegged crumb as a pinko

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I don't give a shit who it is. If you don't work, you don't eat.

Cartoonists are nearly always pinkos

Good thing you don't get to decide.

Just for that you don't get to eat.

What if I work, and still don't or can't eat?

In the future only the robots will get to eat.

That's your buisiness

What if I pay the robot to feed me?

Do robots accept cash?

Yeah, nah, fuck you. People deserve to live. Actually having a LIFE ought be a right. Actual testing on this concept shows people are more productive and more free when they dont have to worry about this shit.

Conservatism is simple and thats why it appeals to simple minds. Actual reality is complicated and demands complicated solutions.

Robots only accept the finest AA batteries.

Nobody owes you shit.

you're guaranteed the pursuit of happiness not happiness itself just for existing

if don't want to work then you don't have to, but living a shitty life as hobo is a conscience choice you made.

Either get a better job or stop living above your means.

>but living a shitty life as hobo is a conscience choice you made.

You must be 18+ to post here.

As in communist? That's not necessarily the message in this comic.

Nobody owes you shit.

Do you feel that 100% employability is possible all the time? What about with increasing automation and less *need* to work? To what extent should the government be responsible for that?

No, really, you must be 18+ to work here.

There are always jobs out there, just because you don't want to work those jobs doesn't mean they are not available.

I don't work at Sup Forums, I prefer to get paid.

>>What about with increasing automation and less *need* to work? To what extent should the government be responsible for that?

That's Mega City 1

The government is not responsible for your life choices, you are.

we are nowhere near a major job deficit due to robots
thats why western europe is bringing in refugees because they have a labor shortage due to the population not breeding at a replacement rate.

And this should be mandatory in Sup Forums

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The whole family is completely fucked up

Don't bother, user. most likely uses government services out the wazoo without even realizing it, but he still feels the urge to bitch about government should stay out of our daily lives.

I'm just curious on your positions here, thanks.

tell me you'll still believe that when you're older and can't keep up with the changing job market

Unlike you, I don't need to find every excuse I can not to work. I'm sure your parents are getting sick of your shit too.

>we are nowhere near a major job deficit due to robots

Even just permanently losing all the jobs in transportation due to self-driving cars would put us near Great Depression levels of unemployment.

Nobody is going to trust self driving cars for at least 100 years

Oh come the fuck on. You KNOW that's bullshit.

>muh women and children

You guys are fucking retarded

He's just plain retarded

Well this wont happen for another twenty years. But you are still right. We are not able to produce most things cheap or small enough without robots. And they get more and more independent every day.

You underestimate human nature.

Except that welfare-types aren't included in original marxism, that's something that bleeding heart marxists like this guy shoehorned in later

Under this guy's idea of marxism gypsies would apparently be the glorious working class

Thanks, edgelord, let us know how that Linkin Park mixtape comes out.

Try fifty years

In any case the USA is about to deport a lot of people and shrink immigration levels, which will also result in birthrates declining as fewer children are born to immigrants (because if the immigrants aren't let in in the first place they can't have their kids here)

In the long term there will be fewer jobs, but there will also no longer be an infinitely expanding population. Japan is right where they need to be on this issue.

No, I don't. The fuck are you actually thinking here, dude? That's like saying people wouldn't trust a sony fucking walkman for 100 years.

Self-driving cars are going to offer enormous benefits to businesses and individual consumers and they are going to be marketed by the automotive industry, which is huge and profitable and has massive branding. It is not going to take 100 years for truckers to lose jobs because of self-driving vehicles.

100 years is 2116. Can you honestly say you think your assumption is accurate? Think of 1996. Think of 1976. I'm not even the guy you were arguing with initially, but that 100 years estimate is a blatantly stupid comment that you might get credit for making in a high school social studies, but which will be instantly shat on by anyone with a brain.

Being on welfare gives you a shitty life at the poverty line, not free happiness.

Walkmans won't kill you and your family if they malfunction

You make some pretty wild assumptions there, mate. Do you think you can attempt to prove your point without ad hominem attacks?

nice try, I'm a software engineer living on my own

my parents are dead btw

>I'm stupid therefore you're edgy

Thanks for sharing

Self-driving cars as they exist are utter shit, it will be fifty years at least before they're mass produced and able to outcompete humans without requiring special roads for non-human manned vehicles to ensure no one gets killed

My uncle is a software engineer too, he works for nintendo.

The vocal 'ban these cars because fear' segment out there will be a tiny portion of the overall talk and marketing around self-driving vehicles.

We trust machines that could kill us for everything every day. Your actual not self-driving car could malfunction and kill you and your family. Beyond that we as a world already do intentionally choose risks that can and do kill people in the world for economic and efficiency benefits. Your outlook here is idiotic and unrealistic, and covers a scale of time you have given no serious consideration to.

do you know how big a 6 wheeler is? it'll be ages until we trust robots enough to autopilot them, just one simple mistake and you can cause a massacre in the highway.
I highly doubt 6 wheelers will ever be fully unmanned, even if it could control itself they would still require a driver at the wheel to take control in case of emergencies.

Nice try Skynet

I'm just glad that Crumb finally saw the truth and changed his ways.

>DUDE JUST TRUST THE CARS LMAO

No one is going to let those things on the road until they've been thoroughly tested you fucking retard, if you think the average American is just going to leave their life up to the assurances of idiots like you you're mistaken. Death on the road is already a major cause of death in America, there isn't any way people are going to let things like hit and runs become even more common because the on board computer reasoned something idiotic like "beep if I stop suddenly to avoid hitting this kid in the street then five cars behind me will hit me potentially causing more deaths boop" and then the company will get the shit sued out of it and it will be just another out of thousands of stories of the primitive computer intelligence of these cars fucking things up.

At the very least you're going to have on board human drivers monitoring the vehicle as insurance for the first decade or more and at that point what is the point of self-driving cars?

In all reasonable likelihood it will be decades before they are sophisticated enough and common enough that people see nothing wrong with letting them dominate the roads, and it's possible by then the main method of transportation will be by train as gentrification causes Americans to become a more heavily urbanized population while the roads become dominated by trucks driving freight across the country.

>the on board computer reasoned something idiotic like "beep if I stop suddenly to avoid hitting this kid in the street then five cars behind me will hit me potentially causing more deaths boop"

Unless the other cars are human-operated this wouldn't happen as robocars can talk to each other near-instantly and greatly exceed human reaction times.

They'd already be programmed to have the legally-mandated buffer zone that most human drivers forget to maintain so they can not only brake more quickly but they won't be riding each other's asses in the first place.

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We've already established you have an autistic belief in the wonders of technology and thus why we need Universal Basic Income, but the reality is that every accident caused by these cars will be met with a litany of hatred from all angles.

You know that's a line directly from the Soviet constitution, right? Go back to Stalingrad, commie.

I'm not even the same guy.

>getting all the food and shelter you want
>for F R E E
>not being happy

Wow, so I guess those bleeding heart liberals aren't marxists after all, huh. It's almost as if that was a slur used by the right to defame their opponents who wanted the government to work for all its citizens instead of just the GOP paymasters. I think you cracked the case, man!

>works for japs in software

that poor mutherfucker

Except you the part where there are actual socialists in the Democratic party and have been for decades, and the only reason why Sanders is once again an independent is because he prefers to be openly socialist

Marxists =/= socialists
Socialists is as vague a term as leftists or rightists.

Self drive cars will kill you and your family.

Because human drove cars have never done that in large numbers...

*driven (correction)

All Marxists are socialists but not all socialists are Marxists

Machines don't make mistakes. They're designs can fail to account for an unforeseen problem, but they don't drive drunk, they don't fall asleep at the wheel, and they don't turn without checking their blindspots. There are almost half a million truck accidents reported each year. The self driving cars don't have to be perfect, they just have to clear that low bar.

Perhaps, but most people who associate with socialism also have quasi-marxist tendencies and sympathize with marxism

>why are you so afraid if terrorists kill your family when we already have serial killers who could kill your family?

>Death on the road is already a major cause of death in America
Yeah, because humans are driving.

The problem is the people making/programming the machines make mistakes. The first wave of ANY technology is always fucking terrible and prone to problems, especially something lik this where it will be almost impossible to program every possibility or predict the kind of flaws that will emerge

Okay, Joe McCarthy, you wanna show me your list of communist subversives or is this just something you read on a right wing conspiracy blog?

So are the democrats selling out the workers by letting corporations cut costs and send all the jobs overseas or are they closet socialists who are plotting to overthrow out capitalist way of life?

especially your mom

You're not really familiar with how products are rolled out when there's serious questions about public health, are you? It's not a fucking iPhone. Everyone is aware of the risks and the companies will be 100% sure those risks will not be reflected in the initial launch.

doesn't matter, the first generation is always going to suck, and you say that like dangerous products having been rolled out too early in the name of making profit

>Machines don't make mistakes
oh please, machines malfunction all the time

your dream of driverless transport trucks will never happen. planes have auto pilot but we still have pilots in the cockpit even though we could make a passenger plane fully autonomous and pilot free. why? because when you're dealing with a large amount of human lives you have to have a human overseeing to it take control in case the machine malfunctions. nobody is going to entrusts lots of lives solely in the hands of machines, it will never happen.

Test

Sure is comics and cartoons in here.

And yet you're still insisting this is "only a few years away"

You don't get it at all

80 years ago they were a nascent socialist party and America in general was receptive socialism, since the 1990s socialism has basically been forced underground or otherwise destroyed among the democrats and replaced with a cheap "we can give stuff to these poor people to get them to vote for us while still giving kickbacks to our rich friends"

maybe in world without government regulation agencies
any emerging technology will have to pass the government inspection and standards, you can't just shove any invention straight into the market.

> nobody is going to entrusts lots of lives solely in the hands of machines, it will never happen.
what about Germany?

>but we still have pilots in the cockpit even though we could make a passenger plane fully autonomous and pilot free. why?

Because it's way more expensive than a self-driving ground vehicle and not cost-effective yet. Only the military can afford it for now.

Drones have to be able to make corrections constantly for things like wind and air pressure that just aren't a problem for ground vehicles.

How is it not common knowledge by now that documents released by Russia after the USSR's fall proved that McCarthy wasn't full of shit?

Germans aren't machines user. They're just a bit on the dry side.

No but merkel is.

Merkle isn't a machine. She's a monster.

Rule zero of politics: Just because a politician is aware of a problem doesn't mean he's able to solve it.

McCarthy was like any other pol. He just wanted to be seen as "doing something about it" and didn't really care if it worked.

Not when the risks are obvious from the get-go. Phones catch fire and hoverboards explode, but when have you ever heard of a robotic surgeon maiming someone? Never? Because that's a serious and predictable failure mode and was corrected for in the prototype.

Machines malfunction but they do not make mistakes. Mistakes are something only humans make, and we make them a lot. Perfection is the goal, but doing significantly better than humans will suffice in the mean time, and is very close to being achieved.

Also, autopilots in planes are not designed to replace human pilots yet. There are vastly more things that can go wrong in the air than on the road.

drones are used for war and carry no passengers. the reason they are used in the first place is because they carry no risk to human life (except for the people being bombed of course) the drone doesn't carry any passengers or pilots life in its hands. and even then they are still operated by humans and not autonomous

Golly, it sure is a good thing people like you didn't just vote for a guy who wants to severely reduce government regulation on businesses, you'd sure have egg on your face if that were true!

>and even then they are still operated by humans and not autonomous

They're capable of flying on their own perfectly well. They have human operators because they're used for recon and the people want to be able to see what the robot sees.

But none of the shit that makes drones so expensive are necessary when you just want to slap a robot driver inside a truck.

It's funny that you insist on being autistic

"no guys I swear all those truckers are going to be replaced before 2030 you'll see muh machines"

It's like a guy in the 1970s swearing that cellphones would become widespread in a decade

yes machines malfunction and make mistakes
there are millions of factory error products that come off machine assembly lines each year.