Why did he kill that "newborn" replicant?

Why did he kill that "newborn" replicant?

Because she was sterile. Those creepy floating things were scanning her to see if she could give birth.

he was an edgelord

But wasn't he well aware of that to begin with?

He had a reservation

To show they are useless to him at this point, unless they are fertile.

don't forget about that rachael one

I'm guessing they kill like 90% of them for whatever reason and then he keeps moaning about how long it's taking to build his army

because he's evil lmao

Because killing babies is Hollywood new popular way of being edgy

the real question is how can they easily replicate the human brain but have such an hard time trying to replicate the reproductive organs?

how is it new exactly, user? I saw a Predalien do it like ten years ago

Why would they want them to procreate

he was a shitty cliché character

holy fuck THIS, his "eyes" were so fucking creepy

this is the real question that needs answering. it's not practical to build your "army" by having replicants fuck each other and then wait for newborns to grow up. i don't know what wallace hoped to achieve by this.

I thought those little robots where just scanners and his real eyes looked gray because they were implanted with some kind of cybernetic augmentation

The only way it would make sense for me is if it takes too many resources to create replicants from scratch, to be building factories all over the place. So maybe breeding them is faster and more efficient than building them because it can be done on any planet without a super high-tech factory

At Dorsia?

Presumably the problem is genetic rather than physiological.

No one goes there anymore

What did he say when he walked up to her? "From the moment we're born we fear to lose the clay" or some shit? I couldn't hear him at all.

I could barely hear him the whole scene they fucked the sound up

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>evil man needlessly kills his subordinates

I fucking HATE this trope, it's so lazy.

he was a cliche generator
>pain is what validates our happines

Because he's an anime villian.
Because genetic engineering is hard work.
Tyrell was a genius, wallace is just a crooked businessman with a god complex.

>you don't have children
>oh I have millions
>kills his children with no remorse
>whole motivation is to further the replicant race
>in conflict with an underground movement that has the same goal

I don't know how you can have a character appear for less than 5 minutes in your film and also fuck it up this bad
Say what you will about the new BR, I though it was well shot and all and very atmospheric (that they did incredibly well), but the writing (plot AND character) was complete shit and easily the worst part of the film.
It would take a brainlet to praise this film as on par with the original.

Was it very...expensive?

finally someone who understand me!
people praise it like crazy but they ignore the deus ex machinas and shallow 1 dimensional characters
sure some people might not see these problems or don't care about them but it was jarring for me

I thought Wallace wanted replicants to be able to reproduce just to make them more "perfect" and to make himself feel more like God because of it. I don't think it was implied he wanted replicants to be free like the resistance did, but yea I originally had the same thought as you.

Making a synthetic womb probably isn't too hard. Making synthetic stem cells, self replicating DNA, etc. that make up the birth and growth process is probably much harder.

Is Brade Runnel worth paying to see? I want to stick it to all these niggers telling me I shouldn't see it because white people.

I hate this trend in movies. Mumble and therefore you have real acting.

"You [mffdlkfdjbbbbhjd] shit because you've never seen a REAL miracle!"

agreed

Is there an opposite trope?
Besides Rancor keeper

He wasn't trying to build an army in a week that would rise up and take over the world, he was trying to make the replicants into a viable species that could supersede humanity over time. He had a god complex and was talking in centuries or millennium.

He had whatever replicants he had to build to pay the bills/for customers, and then after that created as many as he could in an attempt to develop ones that could breed so that he could be the father of a new, better human race. If they couldn't breed, though, those ones he made on his own were of no use and he couldn't just stack them in a basement somewhere.

The gay from Mad Max 2.

thanks, i agree with you. this movie had a lot of potential and clearly talent behind it but whoever wrote the script must have been from Sup Forums's writing school. holy fuck it was one of the worst scripts of the year.

Thank you soo much for this, finally someone gets it. I just can't take him seriously after Joker meme, only Nolan got that character. Speaking of which this movie wishes it was Nolans.

He clearly states in the movie his goal is space expansion.

Now how the heck do you send people on long voyages in space? Voyages that may last decades in order to even reach a new planet? You cant have replicant factorys inside the ships, so his goal was to have them able to reproduce so they can continue expansion to further planets.

>in conflict with an underground movement that has the same goal
The replicants wanted freedom on their own terms, even if it might not lead to a sustainable future/children. Wallace wanted to be a Pharaoh/God ruling over them, which was kinda made obvious by him living in a fucking golden pyramid. Their goals had some overlap but weren't the same. Some of you people are dumb with a capital dumb.

He says that he can't make them forever or something like that, does anyone know why? It seemed to me that he could only make a limited number of replicants that's why he wanted them to have the ability to reproduce.

>>whole motivation is to further the replicant race
>>in conflict with an underground movement that has the same goal

His motivation is to further the human race, by furthering the replicant race so that they can better serve humans. The underground movement wants freedom from that.

Do people actually think the original BR is good? I watched three cuts this weekend and none of them were above a 7/10
I was genuinely shocked at how bad they were.

100% this. The recombination process alone would be staggeringly complex. The best design solution would be to just allow replicants to build other replicants unless your goal to make replicants functionally human and cross breed them with actual humans to create a new evolution of the species.

>all these people misunderstanding the main antagonist's motivation

Jeez yall are dumb. He complains about Humanity only having visited 9 planets. Thats cause he can only produce a limited amount of replicants who can explore new planets. Just consider the time and resources it takes to make a replicant. But if they could reproduce, then you have an endless supply of slave work force to send to other planets and new colonies.

Limited resources+money.

Am i the only one who thought Luv was the most interesting and complex character thru out the film?!

My theory on Luv:
I personally believed that deep down at her core that she despised Wallace and secretly hates everything about him.

When Wallace was observing the new born replicant model,Luv was visibly upset at the whole process of Wallace observing and eventually killing the replicant.

Thers is also the scene where Luv goes to the LAPD to confront Ks boss about her reason for letting him escape from the police station.
This is another instant where we see Luv visibly upset and almost spiteful towrds the police chief for not obeying her orders(LAPD was clearly under the control off Wallace based on how Luv was able to moniter K location at all times) and this is shown again the way her voice cracks when she yells "WHERE IS HE" at the commander.

Luv then tells the police chief that she would kill her and lie to Wallace about the reason she did it.
This act of her lying and giving false information to Wallace tells us that she isnt as "Complaint" as all of Wallace replicants are thought to be by the general public of LA and possibly Wallace himself.
Luv had an almost rebellious personality deeep down at her core and that alone is the main reason why replicants were banned.

The question this brings up is why is she so loayl to Wallace despite possibly hating him.

I think her loyalty towards Wallace is based on fear and purpose.

If Luv were to kill Wallace(which she could easily do because hes a blind old man) she would have no purpose because she has probably been Wallace personal assistant since her birthing and that is the only life that she understands.
Working for wallace also allows her to get her hands dirty sometimes which from her Battle against K we see how competative in her nature that she is.
Luv likes to fight and she even kisses K as a sort of thank you for the fight.
She would be bored having some ordianry life

>Just consider the time and resources it takes to make a replicant

Was it established how much it takes? I forget.

hey remember when a bunch of people came to kill Gosling so that stupid ponytail chick fired missiles out of nowhere
and remember at Vegas agents came to take Deckard and one agent came behind K with a loaded gun, ready to shoot, but he didn't so K just beat him and took his gun
or when he wasn't sure if his memory's true so he just went to miss memories to find out

I can't believe you typed all that out.

I can't believe I read it.

I'd ask you how old you are and what you do for a living to more accurately explain why you weren't able to appreciate what amounts to almost objective quality filmmaking, but I already know that you're an ~25 year old engineer, physician, attorney, and/or PhD carrying physical scientist who occasionally competes in bodybuilding shows when one of your super model girlfriends is busy with work so I guess we just have to conclude that Blade Runner sucks because you finally got around to watching it and declaring it as such.

It was not established in dialogue, but the depiction of the BR universe is enough to figure out that no resources are abundant. When all animals seem to be artificial and trees and plants are a rarity, it makes sense that resources in general are limited. So having them capable of self reproducing would save so much money.

I mean think about the slave trade. The costs of sending a ship all the way to africa to get slaves and bring it back to the colonies is WAY more than just letting the slaves marry and reproduce in the colonies.

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There is also the fear she probably has of failing Wallace which isnt something she wants to experience out of fear of being discarded like Wallace has been doing to female replicants for quite some time becasue they aren't able to give birth.

Her appearance is also similar to Rachels from Blade runner which means she was probably Wallaces first attempt at recreating the "Miracle" that Tyrell did with Rachel in the original Blade Runner.
That's probably why she gets so emotional when Wallace kills the female new born because that could have been her, but Wallace chose to keep her alive.
The fact that Wallace choose Luv as his personal assistant means that she special in some manner to him even though she cant give birth which is what Wallace is trying to achieve.
Im almost certain Luv is a clone of rachel and Wallace first attempt which is why shes special to him and thats why she resembles Rachel a little bit.
That's why she got so emotional during the birthing and the killing of the female newborn replicant.

I think Luv knows that Wallace would easily dispose of her should she ever fail him, but at the same time this is what drives her to win and succeed in her missions at all cost which is also the source of her slightly sadistic nature(the grin she has on her face as she kills joi).
Its like she killed Joi just for the hell of it and also did it to torture K.
Joi was just a hologram and couldn't do shit to stop her so killing her was almost pointless, but she did it anyway and having Joi beg her to stop just made her want to do it even more becasue of how sadistic she can be

I would really like to have had a light novel or something that shows us a little about Luvs daily life with Wallace,but that alone would probably require an entire film or at least a light novel.

Bitch was WAY off baseline

But you know it makes a lot of sense reagrding Luvs motives and persoanilty.

Read the second part for me and tell me your thoughts This is what good movies do to people,user.
Makes us want to discuss the film and wonder about it and that is what Sup Forums is for

this

He was the only flaw in this film.

No

lol yeah
Bitch probably couldn't pass the baseline test for shit.

Thats why i started to wonder why Wallace keeps her around when in fact she isn't truly complaint like shes suppose to be.

Letting K live twice and killing the Police chief were examples of her acting out of her own interest and not Wallace's.

Wallace would have most likely want K exterminated for fear he could jeapordize the mission which is exactly what happened and exactly how Luv got killed and Dekard which in return lost Wallace only lead to the born child

I'm a 25 year old character designer for EA and Ubi
The original blade runner has an extremely poor story and turns to shit the last 45 minutes. I don't know how the modern film enthusiast could let that pass. Nothing to do with visuals and framing.

>EA and Ubi
No wonder those companies produce nothing but trash now considering people like you work for them.

>killed and Dekard

killed and lost Dekard

Its ironic because Luvs rebellious replicant nature is exactly the reason why Wallaace lost his only lead to Rachels offspring.

This fucking movie man
So good

>ywn interlink cells with Ana
I wish I was special, Sup Forums

>can create any sex bot he like at a whim
Think about your porn habits, how long was it before vanila wasn't enough. The only way this guy can coax out a chub is probably raping a room full of child replicants to death. That was just his warm up to get the blood pumping again for the main event

>the depiction of the BR universe is enough to figure out that no resources are abundant

I didn't get this impression at all. It takes plentiful resources to construct and power all those expansive, high-tech cityscapes. They mention off-world colonies several times, which made me assume that they're shipping a lot of resources back to Earth.

Regardless of how much it costs to construct a replicant from scratch, I get that it would be a lot more efficient if all replicants were self-replicating and didn't need factories at all. I was just wondering if they ever go into detail about how replicants are made.

It is a wonderful visual experience, very atmospheric too, paired with top tier soundtrack and fantastic acting by some of the actors (Rutger Hauer, Sean Young, Joe Turkel).

It was a better movie than BR2049 simply for being self contained, easy to follow and not focusing on some "greater goal" or conflict.

Deckard was just a cop in charge of taking out replicants, in the proccess rediscovering his concept of humanity and finding himself in love with one of the kind he hunts on a regular basis.

The fuckup with the villain and tie in with the old movie drags down BR2049 no matter how good the cinematography and characters may be.

I had high hopes for this movie, specially when denis talked about the pressure in handling a franchise this loved, only to receive a creatively bankrupt plot.

They could have done literally anything else with K and it would be a better movie, but they decided to cash in on nostalgia.

They don't have the same goal at all, wallace wants to use replicants as slaves workers for humaniy, the rebellion wants freedom and use the child as a symbole. Wallace simply wants a easier way to produce replicants.
Him killing the replicant is still dumb tho.

So what's the deal with replicants in this universe? Are they just convincing machines? Or do they actually feel and have consciousness?

They seem to be so highly specialized and not the most efficient tool for slave labor.

Nexus 6 and under don't actually create their own feelings. They were slave labor that didnt need air, food, or anything else people would need.

Now, who the fuck knows. They clearly aren't offworld miners/explorers anymore

If he fucked that newborn replicant right there, would he be considered a pedophile?

It's probably just because we barely see anyone outside of the small center of main characters who were all outliers

Not bad points.

I also think that Wallace isn't as clueless as some might assume. I don't think he would be surprised by K's odyssey of self identity as most others would be.

He's a genius that deals with synthetic life. He's thought about the possibilities and knows, as the audience sees by the end of the movie, that the lines between what is real and not real, what is human and inhuman are very blurry.

He might very well assume that the repilicants are close enough to be counted as real life forms. This is demonstrated by his speech about slavery being so awesome and describing an aritificial "birth" of a replicant in universal human terms. He isn't in denial that the replicants don't count as slaves because they don't have souls or whatever like most. He has made a conscious choice to by a tyrannizing master anyways because he thinks that's necessary for human greatness.

Also demonstrated by the god complex. He knows the replicants count as close enough to human and he is their creator in the millions. He's an evil creator, from their perspective, but without him they wouldn't even exist. His word is law like YHWH in the Old Testament. I could bet Luv buys into this and does see herself as God's angel.

Thus Luv's reltionship with him is weird and reminds of the androids from Prometheus and the latest Alien movie. Luv knows her god. She knows why she's on earth. But the god is a callous fallible human that cares little for her. It's alienating but what else do you have? Without him all life is godless and void of meaning.

Unlike K who by the end has independently found a higher meaning to life beyond his programmed servitude, she can't give up Wallace no matter if she secretly hates him. K only had a job, she has her creator. To give up on her god is to give up on what gives her existence special meaning. She's in too deep and the stakes are too high.

Agreed, it was much better than the original which was only a shallow imitation of good scifi.

Exactly
Well put,user.

I feel that Luv is certainly more of complex of a character than K was.

Both had goals but K has a choice in what he chooses to do whereas Luv doesn't have luxury and that why Wallace has her as his personal assistant even thought its very clear that Luv is way off baseline and Wallace sat there and witness her showing emotions with his eye drones when shes suppose to be emotionless and complaint.

Like you said Wallace understand the complications of his creations but he ignores it when it comes to Luv because she is special to him

Damn good film.

>there are nexus 9s that follow orders now
>jk they don't lol