Why did Game of Thrones take such a sharp downhill turn in season 5?

Seasons 1-4 were absolutely brilliant, but starting season 5 it's like everyone took a 20 point IQ drop for no real reason. Can anyone more familiar with the series explain what happened? Do the books experience a similar decline?

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That's where the book ended retard, which also answers your question

never watched game of thrones.

what am I missing?

The books see somewhat of a decline in the same moment as the show, but not nearly as terrible as the show and also manages to improve on some characters
Why did everything go to shit as much as they do after s4?
Books ran out so DnD decided to go for fan fiction and just giving normies what they wanted
But something that really is a reason shit went south so bad. DnD progressively thought they could actually write shit. You can see it happening from s2 onwards. They start to make more and more unnecessary changes because they think they are good, but not all were

>No boars
>No whores
>no Stannis
It was to be expected

>no dany with one tit out the entire time
>loras banging every dude
>dorne just being garbage

Wincest softporn, blonde chicks fucking swarthy sand niggers, strong independent girls, and evil aryan tyrants

> Books ran out so DnD decided to go for fan fiction and just giving normies what they wanted

What else could they do? Grrm didnt wrote a single book in 5 seasons

At least that degenerate Loras Tyrell died in a firestorm.

Write better?

Hell I stopped watching a couple episodes into Season 4.

The first 3 seasons neatly slid down the curve from "Great" to "Good" to "Passable". Season 4 was where you could quite simply and easily stop watching.

Are the books as sick and degenerate, full of incest, interracial shit, whores, sluts, homo sexuality and shit? Basically the only non-degenerate is Jon snow, but I'm only on season 3 so far

When you read the first book you get the sense that GRRM was writing it thinking "Lol I'm gonna make this super edgy".

>Incest
Yes
>Interracial shit
Very little
>Whores
Yes
>Sluts
Some
>Homosexuality
It's frowned upon and downplayed but yes
>And shit
Only at sunset

>Only at sunset
Worthy read

They could expand have expanded the whole plot in the iron isles

Season 6 is better than seasons 3 and 4 by a mile. Season 4 was absolute garbage.

Seasons 1-4 cover first 3 books
Book 3 is very eventful. Lots of climactic things happening
Nothing much really happens in book 4 & 5. It's like book 3 is a climax, and then the show starts a slow buildup again

Well, after seasons 3 & 4 (covering book 3) had so much crazy shit going down, the creators didnt want two seasons of nothing much happening, so they just kinda... went against the books in a lot of ways, consequently fucking it all up

some plotlines had already caught up with the books and others didn't.

>Watching S1 - S4
>Those god-tier performances from Robert, Ned, and Tywin
>That crisp as fuck dialogue and direction
>Those (on average) well-executed political schemes
>Actions having consequences and characters being punished for making mistakes
It hurts so much, Sup Forums. Is it even worth re-watching the old seasons or have S5 through S7 retroactively ruined the whole show?

The books do go downhill after A Storm of Swords ends (which is about the same time season 4 finishes) but nowhere near the same drop in quality that the show experiences. I think that basically D&D got tired of running the show and stopped giving a shit/just got lazy, so they ended up just doing whatever plotlines *they* wanted to see instead of GRRM's story, and as a result of not following the fat man's work (which is what made the show such a big hit in the first place) the writing and production value when tits up.

>actor sightings just like we knew there'd be
>filming lasting until summer confirmed again
>read through today with the whole cast
>filming starting soon
>/got/ is banned

Such a shame

I'd say that the later seasons have only made me appreciate the earlier ones a lot more.

I kinda want to see the series and read the books purely for the political stuff, but I'm deterred by all the unnecessary porn.
Any good books or television with political plots like this, but minimal cocks?

Fact: this is the best show OC scene
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>tfw grandpa charles dance will never teach you how to perform sexual intercourse
jdimsa

The books are more about "Lol murder and rape. It's, like, the middle ages. So edgy." and not about straight up degeneracy.

Would Tommen have been a good king if Tywin was his Hand?

Delusional. This show took a shit on everything during season 2.

I guess, but effectively Tywin would be king, since Tommen is a little cuck and would've just done whatever Tywin said.

>no dany with one tit out the entire time
But that would be in season 2.

fucking yes, my nigga. this is my fav scene as well

fuck, tywin was so great.

Tommen was an empty vessel to be controlled. He would have never been a good king for that reason.

But then, would Tywin have been a good king?

Yes.

GRRM stopped being exec producer.

Tywin was capable but he had his flaws too. He had a spiteful streak and might've gone a bit too far in dealing with certain enemies.

A house should be feared and respected, not feared and hated as he made the Lannisters.

Remember when the dialogue was good?
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why is /got/ banned? wtf?

He pissed off his loving son to the point of patricide, what do you think

Why was Ned such a dick to Jaime? This was uncalled for youtube.com/watch?v=-yOrvMZigHY

jonerys and bobby b posters ruined it

I feel like every GoT conversation nowadays was written with "This is gonna be a meme" in mind.

This was the final straw for me.

>muh honour
>muh oathbreaking

where is the sentence

this. he died because of the irrational hatred he felt for tyrion, so he definitely wasn't the infallible genius he thought he was.

Season 6 and 7 was nothing but fan service. Season 8 will be the ultimate fan service. For me seasons 1-3 were kino. After that it started going down hill.

Nothing. Fucking nothing.
Read the books and watch season 1-3. Then stop.

Its because Jaime never told anyone about what Aerys was going to do. To Ned it looked like a Lannister coup. So it looked like being a Lannister was important than staying true to his oath to Aerys. Plus he found Jaime on The Throne with Aerys dead on the floor.

Holy fuck, this just came out of a specialists website

I always thought that Ned wasn't even pissed about the oathbreaking, what pissed him off was Jaime claiming that he did it to avenge Brandon Stark's death. He doesn't say "muh oath" in that scene, he says "You claim that it was justice when you backstabbed Aerys, but you were just being a coward who took safe way out when serving the mad king wasn't convenient anymore." That wasn't the reason why, but Jaime never told anyone the truth. I think that if Jaime ever took the time to justify why he did it, Ned wouldn't have been so judgemental.

This. The only thing I really like about the later seasons of most shows is that they make me long for the earlier seasons. Take Dexter for example. Seasons 1-4 is a completely different show from seasons 5-8.

Didn't he hate Tyrion because he blamed him for his wife's death. I thought Tywin felt nothing for his wife.

Indira Varma isn't that bad. Her last scene in Cersei's cell was good. Not her fault her character is fucking garbage

Gurm originally intended SoS to be the end of the series, that's why it feels like the climax.

they ran out of books and D&D are hacks

Wrong ya goof, he wanted 3 books originally but Dany would've been back in Westeros by book 3.

What is the one monologue or line that D&D didn't put in, that is unforgivable that they didn't put in? My votes are
>The entire broken man speech
>"And soon this mummer's farce will be done. My son is home."
>"Wherever whores go."

>have S5 through S7 retroactively ruined the whole show?
This is why I've waited watch it. I'm not getting Lost/Battlestarred again.

If he didn't care for his wife why would he hate Tyrion? Tywin loved his wife.

>tfw he never actually wins a battle in the series that he wasn't meant to win
>tfw Robb tricks him with the Green Fork
>tfw Edmure beats him at Riverrun
>tfw the Tyrells win King's Landing for him

Tywin's talent lay in administration, not tactics.

Changing the whole Tower of Joy sequence and the "we looked for you on the Trident" dialogue into
>WHERE'S MAH FOOKIN SISTAH? NAU IT INNZ AAAHHH SAVE ME HOWLAND
was unforgivable

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he did love his wife though, I think the pain of her loss coupled with the disappointment in tyrion broke him.

According to reddit the show has had no drop on quality and season 7 is actually the best one of the whole show.

Sorry sweeties but not everyone is misogynistic woman haters like you who hate dany for no reason other than the fact that she's a strong powerful woman.

Anytime Stannis reveals that he's actually a good, decent guy.

What the FUCK was D&D's problem? Why did they hate Stannis so much?

Nobility, honor, firm character, and honesty are traits of the patriarchy and not cool.

The viewers want snarky, sarcastic, backstabbing, underhanded assholes to be their protagonists, because they themselves are sarcastic, scummy assholes.

Emilia Clarke should be at the bottom she literally cannot act.

Every season is good. Five is almost just as good as the rest, but the Dorne plot did go nowhere. And Jaime and Bronn were barely even there, so I found it as a minor annoyance. A show with so many storylines is bound to have a few shitty ones, which is partially why I like season 7 a lot--the number of storylines can be counted on one hand now, and I enjoyed most of them.

Let's face it about the writing, though: the show wouldn't exist if characters (e.g., Ned, Cat, Robb, Oberyn, etc.) didn't make stupid, illogical decisions that fucked them and everyone they loved over. Rewatch the show from season 1 and notice how idiotic so many people are.

he was an ubermensch and they were tinkering with the show as it went on to pander to Last Men

You're going to put more effort into your bait than that, I'm afraid

but the sacrificed the great characters and writing which is what drew me in, killed off characters abruptly simply because the actor wanted more money, and just injected into CGI set pieces

>It seems that the Blackfish was killed trying to escape
post yfw

I just wish somebody had told Dinklage, before the show began, that his accent...it's terrible. It's not British. It doesn't match his family's accent, it just sounds bad.

All of the good actors are gone (Oberyn, Tywin, Ned, Joffrey, Robert, Cat)

Ned is an arrogant idiot and he got what he deserved.
Same thing whit Robb.

Stannis was what everyone needed.

How would D&D have fucked up Lady Stoneheart?

I don't think she has really been given much to work with. Her character is one dimensional throughout the series.

Watch TheDragonDemands on YouTube.

Essentially D&D started servicing the actors rather than the characters while starting to ignore their production heads about the time it would take to make the show. This resulted in rushed scripts and rushed production.

It's when they ran out of book material. A more structural problem, and the best example of this is Tyrion's season six plot, is that in the books sometimes you'd go a full book or more without a character. In the show they had all the characters all the time. In the early seasons there weren't that many so it was okay and they were able to squeeze them in. As the cast expanded suddenly they now have to show us what every little tertiary character is doing, every episode, even for 60 seconds. The end result is the episodes become rushed messes of checkboxes where everyone gets a few minutes of screen time, just because they have to.

If Ned wasn't executed and went back to the North and declared for Stannis, would everything have been daijoubu?

They’re filming first drafts under duress without GRRM’s books to tether them.

>Essentially D&D started servicing the actors rather than the characters
What does this mean?

A few fun storylines over shadowed by some really shit ones.

A few strong bromances, mostly anything with Jerome Flynne.

>Essentially D&D started servicing the actors rather than the characters

That's very rarely the case in tv user, shame on you for spreading disinformation

It felt like they just couldnt be assed with Stannis in the show, which is a shame. They made him out to be a villain no matter how many good and justified decisions he made. The music was a huge que to this, it was always low and villainous for his scene, really pissed me off.

First 3-4 seasons are pretty tight had to cut stuff out of the books and combine stuff but its understandable. Season 5-7 are some weird meme shit where everyone has plot armor and by season 7 their dragons are capable of super sonic flight and the laws of time dont apply anymore

>CIA that low

Delet

S4 leaving Tysha out of Tyrion's motivation for killing Tywin destroyed his character

Think we'll ever see best character ever again?

Season 1: This is the best season. All the different stories are interesting. The show is still new, so killing off major characters is still a shock (although not really for fans of the book). The fight scenes, the acting, the accents, the props, the sets, and the special effects are all at their best here.

Season 2: This is a great season, but it is a drop from the first. It's at this point in the show where the Daenerys bits go from interesting to boring and tedious as fuck. Some of the other characters' stories aren't much better. The Battle of Blackwater is a highlight here, but overall, it's a pretty boring season that drags on.

Season 3: This season drags even more than season 2. Danny's stuff is still terrible. People really like it because of the Red Wedding, but it also brought in a lot of normies. Now, I know you'll say "but normies watched this before" but, check it: viewership went up by over a million viewers from season 3's finale to season 4's opening. That's the biggest jump in viewership the show has ever had up until season 7. The best stuff in this season is Ramsay/Theon, as well as Jaime's character arc.

Season 4: This season is a bit better than the last two because shit actually happens. Danny is still trash. They kinda blow their load early on in the season with Joffrey's death, but all the aftermath with that is really interesting. Tyrion is at his best here. They also remembered that Blackwater did well so they tried to replicate that with The Watchers on the Wall and I think they did better the second time around.

Season 5: The worst season in the show's history. Danny still fucking sucks, but what's worse is they manage to completely trash a lot of good characters here. Tyrion is basically a joke this season (haha dwarf cock merchant fuck off) after being such a compelling, interesting character. Jaime's story was really great in seasons 2 and 3, and the stuff they gave him in season 4 was alright, but the Dorne story is just god awful. Stannis gets wasted. They even manage to make Ramsay less interesting. Everyone knew Jon Snow would get a rez, even pretending like he wouldn't was just a big "fuck you dummies" from the writers to the viewers (and maybe we deserved it for sticking through season 5 considering how bad it is). The only good thing about season 5 was the walk of atonement, which wasn't even all that great. This is also the season where viewship dips, but they manage to recover. And it's also the season where they start doing "original content" and go off the book and, like I said, it's just not good.

Season 6: This season is a big improvement over season 5. Danny's story isn't all that great but a bit better for the first time in a long time. The stuff in King's Landing is good, and Tommen's suicide is a pretty powerful scene. The Battle of the Bastards was good but not as good as The Watchers on the Wall or Blackwater. Then there was the Hodor meme shit.

aagghhh....

Season 7: Similar to season 6, it's good, much better than season 5, but not quite up there with seasons 2 to 4. They cut this season down from 10 episodes to 7, and it felt like they were cramming a lot of stuff in (especially with everyone "teleporting" around). They finally have all the storylines more or less tied together, which is neat. They had some twists like "Jon Snow is a Targ" or "the dragon is zombied" or "Jon and Danny fuck" which people pretty much saw coming (at least I did, and I'm not some smart guy or anything). It's hard to say they wasted Littlefinger when they've been doing that for a long time. The season was super popular mostly because people want to see how this shit ends, and they're really starting to bring it to a close (although BONUS SEASON 9 isn't something that would surprise me).

I dont get this meme

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