Capitalism is the efficient allocation of resources

>capitalism is the efficient allocation of resources

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I would rather degeneracy and materialism than degeneracy and poverty

man craves degeneracy
thats not wrong

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Venezuela, Cuba, USSR, North Korea

...that have alternative uses.

>Venezuela
>North Korea
>communistic or socialistic

>Capitalism is flawed but communism is even more flawed

Also ancaps are fucking retarded and should depart to Somalia.

>Dem Racist glasses

ooohhhhhhhh ching chong wing wong bing bong

Want people to see her and attention
so people buy tickets

stupid outfits bring attention
she makes more money
>capitalism works
fuck of gommie

FUCKING

>both are central allocation of resources

It's like you don't even know how they plan economies

>Being this retarded

NIGGER

well, how do you know it is not effective? :^)

If it weren't for the STDs, I did still tap that.

NICE MONEY
KEK

KoK what the hell is this? And why didn't you stop it?

This. Women may love immigration and handouts but at least they do not get off to degeneracy. There are very few female cuck fetishists out there.

you bring great dishonoruu

GRORIOUS NIPPON

"man" means "human" stupid american't

look at girls at the background: happy and admire the outfit

and you claim "not effective"

>capitalism is the efficient allocation of resources

Wrong, nigger.

Capitalisim gives people what they will pay for.

>forgot the word most
Even on the smallest of things, leftists have to manipulate language, it's fascinating

Isn't this pretty efficient?

Somalia is a failed state

If you were discussing an cap you would start when the lingering effects of the state end, and then compare that to now

Niggers love the state though, so I'm sure they'll return to shit cyclically

None of those are actual socialist countries.

Socialism suffers from the Nietzsche phenomenon of nobody actually reading about it and just spewing what memes say.

A country having socialist policies or SAYING they're socialist, does not make them socialist.

In the same manner that Libertarians say US is not real capitalism, real socialism was never implemented either.

I am indigopilled, pleb, I don't buy into your cucked bluepill/redpill false dichotomy. I am 'redpilled' on almost everything but capitalism, which only really benefits (((them))) while the good goys like us are left fighting for scraps.

give me all the resources i will make very effective use of them

Degenerate entertainment is just a distraction for women and, ultimately doesn't require that much of a resource input. It just wastes degenerate women's time, wouldn't have been valuable anyway.

Besides you can't really blame a degenerate culture on capitalism. Jews and cultural marxists have literally broke down society from the top down. Not exactly capitalism

False Dilemma

>can't represent his opponents fairly
>debates in hyperbole
It doesn't matter whether or not you fancy yourself a leftist, you are one

The No True Scotsman is strong in this one. We can assume Lenin knew The Capital by memory and he starved millions to death, killed hundreds of thousands of 'bourgeoises' because 'muh redistribution'

>implying central allocation of resources makes communism or socialism
Not an argument.

The only thing capitalism does to make people degenerate is to make them comfortable, which causes degeneracy

Stalinism is actually the ultimate form of capitalism; concentration of capital has reached the zenith; It is all controlled by one man.

Jews are a part of capitalism. Without it they would disappear.

>someone tries to point out objective differences
>HURRRRRR LE NO TROO SGOTSMAN LE XDDDDDDDD!!!!!111!1!11!1!!!!!!!
Every. Fucking. Time.

definitely more efficient than socialism or communism.

I'd allocate my dick into her ass if you know what I mean

this is why I lean more on conservatism rather than libertarianism

I explained why it's a fallacy. Socialist people were mass murderers. Lenin was a 'true' socialist. Socialism implies mass killing of the bourgeoisie.

Would you come as far as claiming that Lenin is not a 'true' Socialist?

Lenin had intended for the USSR to undergo state capitalism. He proclaimed in 1919 that the USSR was state capitalist.

In no practical way was the USSR socialist.

>tries to argue that venezuela isnt socialist
>goes full retard going HURR DURR ITS NOT BECAUSE I SAY SO
>shit posts about how hes being oppressed by fallacies
fuck off retard

Unearned security (aka socialism) causes degeneracy.

What we have in America is not capitalism. Welfare, income tax, state regulation on healthcare and banking, etc. are all socialist policies by definition.

>greentext greentext

whatever, cuck.

Exactly, people are willing to pay to watch a glorified prostitute act like an animal for an hour and a half, this makes it 100% right and just. Isn't capitalism beautiful.

>copyright law
>efficient

And the market is almost fully controlled by trans-national corporations.

So you say the most important historical figure in 'applied' Socialism, praised and studied by communists all over the world, is not a Socialist.

I'm done arguing with you commies.

communism is sharing the poverty evenly among the peasants

>resources are allocated

>people get what they want

Holy jesus! We need a revolution to break free from this opressive system!

>socialism implies mass killing of the bourgeoisie
>socialists are all mass murderers
That's bullshit and you know it.

people that put balls through hoops are paid millions of dollars

how can Venezuela be socialist if there was still private, capitalist industry taking place

>because I say so
Nice straw man.

>Women may love immigration and handouts
>do not get off to degeneracy
How can you type this and not realise that you destroyed your own argument before you even made it?

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>welfare and regulation are socialist
Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

He was a socialist, but socialism was never implemented.

>what are price controls
>what are production quotas
>what are capital allotment laws
>what are regulatory agencies

Well good luck seizing property of armed people. The revolution is violent.
It implies killing a lot of people in order to start the process of the establishment of Communism.

This is nothing to ashamed of. Destroying the status quo and forced seizure of property are not peaceful things.

better start naming those industries.

shut up and post more miley

>those little boy hips

>copyright law
>capitalist

ITT:

It's never R E A L socialism when it goes wrong.

But it's always R E A L capitalism when that goes wrong.

Can we at least agree that it's also real capitalism when it works? Or are you going to claim the successes of the USA, British Empire, China etc. as victories of socialism too?

Socialism was implemented. The bourgeoisie was killed and their properties seized. The means of production were socialized. The wealth was redistributed. The Church was ostracized. The financial ties with world banking were cut. This is all in history books.

Communism was not implemented because it's the socialism endgame, and it's a global thing.

That's correct. Any questions?

True dat. If Wing Ching makes a better mario knock-off, that's just competition.

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Apparently there were a bunch up until very recently.

According to the communist party of soviet union USSR was never a communist country.

United States is socialist as well when supporting the corporate welfare queens comes into question

>a country having socialist policies does not make them socialist

>what is state capitalism

what's her end game?

You are now aware that-
1. Communism can't exist because the government always capitalizes off the proles.
2. Free market capitalism can't exist because the government always intervenes to steal your shit.

It's funny that capitalists and communists have the same root enemy. Government.
Government fucks up everyone's day.
NOGUNZ? Gubmint.
TAXES? Gubmint.
Drug laws? Gubmint.
The one percent? Yup. Gubmint.
SJWs having any legal power at all? Gubmint.
Wall Street? Gubmint.

One of these days. One of these sad, depressing days. You fucking monkeys will figure this shit out and abandon a system designed to fuck you over from cradle to grave. And you'll ask yourselves why you weren't an anarchist before?

>how could I be so STUPID?
Because you were afraid. Because you went to public school. Because politicians and bureaucracies scared you into submission. Fear is the ultimate weapon.

did the workers ever own the means of production? Was the USSR at all democratic?

no.

poverty brings degeneracy even faster

Anarchism is pretty good. That is, REAL anarchism and not the anarchocapitalism bullshit that's really just feudalism in disguise.

Why does this make me horny

The only problems with capitalism are that it assumes that humans are rational creatures, and that human rationality will lead to benign outcomes and moral choices. We're not and it doesn't.

That's why entirely economic political ideas are so hollow.
Statism just outsources as much human decision making as possible (which is not much) to as few as possible, while libertarianism attacks collectively enforced decisions on principle. Both assume that by reducing the number of actors making decisions, the possibility for irrationality to enter the processes of society is undermined; Communists reducing the number of people that get to make decisions, and libertarians reducing the number of people involved in each decision.

I don't really know where to go in response to this, the only two viable mindsets I see in response to the failure of rationalism as a governing principle of humans is the belief that human societies are "super-organisms" in their own right, along with the memes that run them, which will develop to maximise THEIR efficiency, individual be damned; or alternatively the belief that God is the "missing link" in human rationality, as Christian philosophy seems to have suggested all along.
The only way to judge which is more reading of obscure tomes and more life experience, I'm afraid. There's less "bite-sized, pre-packaged" information on these things, the further you go down the rabbit hole.

>corporate welfare queens
nobody likes those except the corrupt politicians that gave them that

I understand that communism has never been achieved. That is (I am assuming) why the commies said that they weren't actually communists. But they were openly, explicitly, entirely, undeniably and to the last man, 100% socialists.

What about the British Empire? If you claim that the successes of the British Empire were achieved because of socialism, I'm personally going to email Putin right now and tell him to send in the tanks.

ayy lmao what fucking idiot is calling Britain "socialist"?

God I hate liberals. Stop using words you don't know the meaning to.

socialism implies the means of production being democratically owned. Neither of the examples you had fulfilled this prerequisite

Women do not fantasize about being cucked like men do you inbred. In fact the cuckold fetish is 95% men who fantasize about their wife fucking other men.

Women are too jealous for that shit

Poverty brings other kind of degeneracy. The violent crime and stealing kind to be exact. I would argue the one we are experiencing now is worse because its harder to explain to people how living for cummies is bad even when it feels good.

>If you claim that the successes of the British Empire were achieved because of socialism

Genocide and socialism.

First modern concentration camps were british and you socialized all native wealth for your empire.

You're wrong. The workers effectively owned the means of production and wages were decided together.
The workers were all active members of the party.
Everyone was politically active and involved.
Steel workers earned money for food and water and housing. Laborers were 'happy' to be part of the revolution.
The problem was with farmers. They starved massively because the party couldn't organize agriculture and people were displaced by the thousands in various and complex attempts to make it work. Not Socialism's fault.

The USSR before Stalin was Socialist to the core. It worked. I simply don't see this happening today.
Technology is too complex and business administration evolved way beyond the times of Marx.

You misunderstand my point.

I was asking if socialists will accept that capitalism has worked in the past. Apparently the USA doesn't count, because [reasons].
So will they accept that the British Empire was a success of capitalism?

Capitalism and Communism are equally degenerate.

So 2 dogs fucking is a example of capitalism, since it's a voluntary exchange of services

It has capitalist features after all...

>The workers effectively owned the means of production and wages were decided together.
AHHAHAHAH

>The workers were all active members of the party.

And what power did they have?

>Everyone was politically active and involved.
Now you are just lying

>The USSR before Stalin was Socialist to the core. It worked. I simply don't see this happening today.
Did the workers own the means of production

Fascism is capitalism, bud.
IG Farben was no charity.

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I'm not kidding. The steel industry in USSR was a marvel of History.

The USSR became an industrial superpower because of the massive psychological involvement and motivation of Russian steel workers. They really decided wages.
There was no boss. They lived with dignity a life of honest work.

You're downplaying a true accomplishment of Socialism before the dictatorship of Stalin. All the workers were part of the Party and were active in the Soviet assemblies, which were another marvel of Socialism.

You're dumb. I'm praising what really worked under Socialism at that time. I repeat, today things way more complex. Socialism like back then can't be attained.

>You're downplaying a true accomplishment of Socialism before the dictatorship of Stalin.

You should look up Cheka, soviets went sour even before stalin got into power.

What do you think "real anarchism" is?
I share your conclusion about "anarcho-capitalism" by the way. It's like they want to preserve the universe just at the instant Big Bang happened; they want to preserve the state of simplistic rough-and-ready government that arises after a chaos eternally. A twilight zone between anarchy and order. It's quite intriguing because in one moment they'll admire the feudal warband leader as meeting the character of an ideal ruler, but then go and complain about taxes that pay for armies and police.

Are you sure you're not confusing that with low intelligence/impulse control and weak family structure?

Modern "poor people" might be more overtly dysfunctional than other classes, but compared to even the upper-middle class of today, their antecedents were more civilised and loyal.

Women don't fantasise about being cucked because it's impossible for them to be "cucked" the same way a man can. The only thing they stand to lose is money that the man pays to his other wife or children. They don't even have to fear their children being taken away for no reason like men do with divorce courts.

>complains about capitalistic pornography
>has heavily fetishistic fascist imagery

Hmm...

She was a lost cause since Hannah Montana. Since that Vanity Fair shoot all the way back on '08(?) everyone knew her descent into degeneracy central was well upon her.