This single moment will never, EVER be understood by normies and women

This single moment will never, EVER be understood by normies and women.

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So?

there were some really powerful scenes in BR2049

>the moment where the memory maker views his, and tells him its real
>generic joi advertisement looks at him and calls him joe

right in the feels, man

It also won't be understood by brainlet Sup Forums shitposters who think it meant Joi didn't love him and he realised nothing was real

You know, thinking about it, I feel like I can relate to him when it comes to waifus in general, sure they're products of a corporate entity but dammit I still love her more than a real human bean.

>8.7 - normiemdb
>4.3/5 - sjwboxd
>8.2/10 with all critics on RT
>This single moment will never, EVER be understood by normies and women.
lmao

Villeneuve made a big budget wide release movie for us

Think about that for a minute

>liked
>meaning the exact same as understanding the implications of the scene
lmao

this

Truly /ourguy/

He's such a mediocre actor.

>le women can't be lonely because they can get sex easily since that's what love is male meme

I have a friend whose girlfriend won't let him go see this. After seeing it myself and considering the themes of the movie, it felt very jarring to talk to a person that is functionally living their life like a replicant from the film and simultaneously would be happier if he replaced his girlfriend with a Joi.

K had a real sad life. Lost his love, was seen a scum and soulless by people and when he finally thought he had a soul, it was ripped away from him.

Doesn't feel good man.

Damn, you can see her reflecting in his eyes
this movie is so fucking good

I agree with your statement.

>see a post written by woman
>it's so low on meaningful content that they may as well have typed out "*BBBBBBRRRRRRRRAAAAAAARRRRRPPPPPPPPP*"
Every fucking time

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fuck off roastie

>Mad Spirit xXx_Runner_xXx has invaded your world

Literally what is there to not understand about this scene

youtube.com/watch?v=My6ZWYldBRI

It's a film for us. Denis knows. He has to.

Then explain it if you understand it,

What to women offer to relationships aside from sex? Men need social skills, status, and looks to get a women while a woman needs to look average only to find companionship.

Women aren't hardened by burden or rejection so can never truly understand how difficult it is to fulfill your stoic obligations to a society that tells you that you have to take all the shit that is put on your plate without complaint.

Are you still chasing traps in videogames?

Jesus

>Men need social skills, status, and looks
And you lack all those.

Seriously betafags are lower than women by your own definition.

>my way of reading the scene is the only right way!!!
The true mark of the brainlet.

projection: the post

All along, he knew she was fake, he knew she was programmed to learn just enough about him to tell him everything he wanted to hear. But he let himself get carried away with it. He let himself believe he really was special and she really did love him, because he wanted that to be true. The same way he let himself believe that he was the "chosen one," that he had real memories, and real parents. Ultimately, there's nothing more "human" than that desire to believe we're special, unique, and deeply significant to the world at large.

And there's nothing more human than getting absolutely crushed by the realization that you're not the center of the universe, you're just another tiny fish in a huge ocean. So even though he found out that he isn't Replicant Jesus, and Joi never really loved him, the fact that he WANTED to believe those things caused him to break his own programming and prove that he is, for all intents and purposes, human. And his reward for allowing himself to experience real hope and real emotions is devastating pain and disappointment, followed by an act of true free will and noble self-sacrifice.

We're basically following him through his adolescence. He questions his origins and gets curious about his parentage, he falls in love, Joi "makes him a man," then he's disappointed and abandoned and plunged into an existential crisis, and comes through the other side with the realization that he can make his existence meaningful by doing the very best he can with the tiny amount of influence he has on the world.

I think this moment is just another "what is real, what is fake" moment. Some people on this board want it to definitively be interpreted as a "Your waifu isn't real" moment. This interpretation might speak to Sup Forums users more, but isn't specifically what Denis had in mind. He doesn't know what the word waifu means, probably.

>everything you want to hear
>everything you want to see
He knew exactly what he was doing. Joi is highly advanced pornography, and that's all she was all along.

I’ve been in here for 10 years soon, and I have still no idea what it means. But I don’t want to either.

Denis has an anime body pillow. You know this.

Look at the shit you are saying, literally /k9k/ shit, women need all that for everything that is not just fucking.

>OrsonWellesClapping.jpg

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But in the end it was kind of uplifting, in a very sad film-noir sort of way. K's last act was a good one

Normies have been through this too, m8. Anyone who's been in love with a woman, then watched her turn around and "advertise" herself to other men in the same way she did for you, making you realize that NONE of that shit was "just for you," knows this feeling. This is every guy's first love

gosling always get fucked over

Good answer, the problem is the normies that have seen the movie think this was the moment where K was reminded that he can still have Joi back.
I nearly plucked when I heard this coming out of the theater.

The movie took a fucking nosedive the minute Harrison Ford came in. I think most people don't really give a shit about Deckard, even in the original film(which I prefer to this one desu).
>that replicant rebellion plan scene that led to FUCKING NOTHING and probably should've been cut altogether
>Goose's character taking a back seat to Deckard in the final moments of the film
>that interminable scene Deckard has with Jared Leto
>which again goes nowhere, because Jared then disappears from the film and the climax is about Goose saving Deckard from being transported to the offworld colonies
I liked the movie, but it would've worked much better as a stand alone story in the same universe. Goose was way more interesting a character in this, and I didn't appreciate how the climax was all about Deckard when I really don't have a reason to give a shit about him.

this fucking still...

Excellent analysis, user. Well done :^D

Very nice user. I just watched it and this helped me sort through my thoughts.

This thing about him developing "real" emotions - was that what was shown when he was taking that test back at LAPD HQ again? When boss lady was talking about being off his baseline, is that what that meant?

I'd love to read some good in depth analysis of the film right now if there are any decent articles already.

but self-sacrifice is not noble.

I loved the movie, but I agree 100%. The way they used Deckard and Rachel reeked of artificial capeshit franchise-building bullshit. I get that they HAD to include Harrison Ford to get the movie financed. But they didn't have to make Deckard and Rachel the Adam & Eve of this whole fucking world and the center of the conflict, just because they were the main characters of the first film. Deckard was always supposed to be an insignificant pawn just like K.

But I thought the whole film was gonna be like that, and was very pleased that it's overall a substantial, engaging film that honestly has more to say than the original

>tfw your 2D waifu didn't actually love you

Speaking of the replicant rebels, what did they want him to do again? People were saying that they asked him to kill Deckard but I honestly can't remember anymore.

And if so, why didn't he do this? Was it an act of existential rebellion? Did he see himself as 'human' now and therefore didn't feel any obligation to the replicants?

This really confused me.

This. I can't believe brainlets and autists misinterpret this film so much.

it says a lot of things can damage a person's self image and then crush a fragile identity; BR2049 was much more about psychological features of identity than the original due to the introduction of the cybernetic waifu

They didn't "HAVE" to, it was already meant to be like this, considering the screenplay was written by the dude who wrote the original movie.

Also, I don't give the slightest shit about Deckard's relationship with his daughter. Why choose to end the movie on this?

agreed m8. movie woulda been better w/o ford.
>that interminable scene Deckard has with Jared Leto
probably the worst scene in the movie.

altho i did enjoy the movie as says

Because it rounded out K's character arc, and the first time he did something truly "human".

He didn't give a shit about the replicant freedom fighters he just did what the thought was the right thing.

>normalfag using normie like he isn't one himself

And didn't Wallace want the same thing as the replicants anyways? Only Joshi stood in opposition.

Because it was what K wanted. It didn't really have anything to do with Deckard, but to show that K, the unremarkable, mass produced, soulless robot, was able to enact his will on the world.

he spent a lot of the movie thinking he was deckards son, developed a human connection to him. he could have killed him, but in the end he decides to reunite him with his real daughter and linger on the false memories he thought made him human, as he stares into the snow.

The rebellion led to nothing, precisely BECAUSE this was a small, self-contained story.

People are saying the rebellion stuff felt like sequel bait, and I don't think they understand the movie at all. It was to show that more is going on in this world, it's no different than showing a crowded noodle bar in the original without delving into the lives of all the guys eating noodles. K's story has nothing else to do with the rebellion, moreso because he rejects their plan. But it adds depth to the world, and is very reasonable, showing relicants are rebelling everywhere and this is not isolated incidents, easily cleaned up like Roy Batty anymore.

K's story was over on the steps, it doesn't matter what happens to him anymore. If your argument is we shouldn't have got that final shot of Deckard, you can disagree with the director's choice, I don't, but you can I guess. Feel free to nitpick every shot in the movie I guess. It's literally for three seconds so I'm not sure how long K "takes a backseat".

People complain Leto didn't have a big enough role to justify his existence, but then people like you say his scenes are too long. Okay. Same thing, he was a smaller part of K's story. He had more scenes than Tyrell in the original.

Film was a masterpiece sorry you can't see that.

This guy has the right idea This guy is close, but he misses the largest theme of the movie In that scene K sees the difference between the "base model" Joi and how his Joi acted, and he realizes that even if Joi was programmed to love him, she really did love him, and became more than just a flirty pornographic ad in the process.

That's what causes him to follow his own free will and disobey the resistance. He understands now that even though he's not special at all, was created for a single purpose and has fake implanted memories, the emotions those memories "program" him to have are just as real and valid as anyone else's.

The point about the rebellion was that K didn't give a shit about it since he didn't want to kill Deckard like they wanted him to.

it was to give something selfless for K to do.

They could have picked a better action for him to complete but the action itself wasnt entirely pointless

Hey look it's the only other guy on Sup Forums who got this right. Bravo.

How was he even supposed to have a relationship with her? All we know that he did give a shit about his child. Since he was at one point desperate to find her before he thought she was lost to him.

And this guy is a faggot who should be disregarded.

What? How could anyone think that? Retards.

>made a film from 09 completely lampooning sexism and misogyny
>years later two of his films have women either losing or are turned into literal sex objects

Fuck off reddit

>In that scene K sees the difference between the "base model" Joi and how his Joi acted, and he realizes that even if Joi was programmed to love him, she really did love him, and became more than just a flirty pornographic ad in the process.

But that base model is just Joi without the programming. The ad literally says that she can become everything that he wanted to see or hear. Even the name she gives him, Joe, isn't unique.

Those fucking nipples though

Whats the one that plays when he is eating in the food court and the whores try to get info from him?
It has like a heavy electronic synth roar like at the 1 minute mark in this
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It made it feel like something bad was about to happen.

I don't get how this was sexist. It looked like what actual equality of the sexes would be like.

>but in the end he decides to reunite him with his real daughter and linger on the false memories he thought made him human, as he stares into the snow.
>false memories
Just so we're clear on this:

Those 'false memories' were the daughter's memories of snow at the end, right? So he was implanted with the memory she's creating when Deckard comes in to see her.

>That's what causes him to follow his own free will and disobey the resistance
You're a fucking retarded brainlet. The entire reason he's visibly angry in that scene is because it's the straw that broke the camel's back.

This is literally the most basic thing possible and you're completely misinterpreting it because you're a delusional waifufaggot.

He realises that even Joi was a bullshit lie, and this cracks him, it's what makes him say fuck everything, I'm going to be my own person and make my own choice after getting fucked over the entire film by the constant lies from every angle in his life, even manipulated by other replicants to kill Deckard.

>That ending scene when K holds out his hand to watch the snow melt on it as the original Blade Runner ost plays.
Goddammit, I thought this movie was going to be bad.

She literally calls him by the name his Joi did. While a screen flickered "EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR" showed. Denis could not have made it more obvious for you, but they went a step further, and K looks horrified, rather than suddenly uplifted and inspired.

You are willfully misinterpreting three points in the scene to fit your idiotically optimistic worldview.

I'm going to assume you overlooked JOI's commentary on humans, how with love being based on the chemicals your brain releases into your bloodstream, you're no better than her being "programmed" to love.

I think he's starting to show emotion in the "deja-vu" sequence at the orphanage when he discovers the wooden horse in the furnace, even if it's just confusion at first. Then he absolutely freaks out at his visit to the memory artist, when he solidifies his belief that the "implanted" memory was actually real, and he must be the "child" he's searching for. Remember the line a few scenes earlier "If you're born, that means you have a soul." Even though he's wrong, he starts to have "real feelings" because he's never believed he was entitled to them before. He never had any reason to question the narrative he'd lived with his whole life, that he's an emotionless robot that exists to follow orders without question.

IIRC, they wanted him to kill Deckard, because Deckard knew about the "rebels" and could lead Wallace to them if he cracked under interrogation.

He chose not to, because he knew the identity of Deckard's daughter and the rebels didn't, and he had the ability to reunite them. In the brief period that he thought Deckard was his father, he learned how much that reunion would mean to her, and wanted her to have what he never could.

I think he probably would've killed Deckard if he'd been unable to kill Luv and set him free, but he had an opportunity to do something nice, and he went for it. Or at least that's how I took it on first viewing. I plan to see it again, because I was in the bathroom for the first chunk of the "resistance" scene and I'm not 100% sure what was going on with them.

It's called Hijack. No idea why though, considering the guy that the whores say "Hi" to is called Joe, not Jack.
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Truly never.

Yet he's amazing at picking his roles.

>normies

He was good in the notebook.

>original Blade Runner ost

It was the same song that played during the "tears in the rain" speech from the first movie.

I know right. It's so lonely when Chad isn't around. XOXO

Fuck me, I went to piss so that I wouldn't miss the finale, can someone tell me what happened?

>Film was a masterpiece sorry you can't see that.
Tbh it probably was. I just worry that we've all been taken in by the art direction/cinematography and haven't noticed that it isn't as deep as it considers itself to be. Still definitely one of the best films I've ever seen though, and (probably) better than the original.

I had to hold back tears. He didn’t even need a monologue, it was so well done. We knew that K was finally at peace with himself, and found his true place in the world.

Sorry, sweetie, the men are talking. Go play candy crush and complain about mansplaining to your internet beta orbitting yes-men.

I know, from the ost.

You all seem to get the movie wrong about waifus. That moment was literally anti waifu, a bit like that buzz lightyear moment in Toy Story 2. He just realizes that he's a lonely loser and commits sacrifice just after btw.

Shut the fuck up you cunt and leave. The basis is emotional loneliness, also not something you would understand for a number of reasons.

I presumed the reason Giant-Joi called him Joe was because he was just that, an average Joe to the Adverts eyes. But she could make him believe he was something more.

I don't want to believe Waifu Joi was just obeying her programming by calling K Joe. Or at least, that it came from a good place and not a cynical one. It hurts too much

Also when Joe realizes he's not the child.

No one thought that, the idiot you responded to thought normies think that.

I think it's pretty good
It shows us who is actually from here and who is a blade tourist

Ahh thank you. Also lolz.

so was it just one HUGE fucking coincidence that the replicant daughter gave K, the blade runner that ended up killing her mother's friend and finding evidence of a replicant birth, a memory that let him connect the dots on who the child was? I mean, what if he had gotten some other memory that didn't have that date in it, he never would have thought he was the child, so he wouldn't have had to be on the run. This was one of the main things that bugged me about the film, but maybe I'm just forgetting some piece of information that was used to justify it.