Endorsing an abusive relationship in a children's book

>endorsing an abusive relationship in a children's book
Why?

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Abusive how? Besides that one throw away scene in Mad Love. Not, "read the comics he does it all the time" I want proof

I hate this relationship too, but it's mostly because of the outrageous 'doctor falls in love with her patient' cliche

That abusive relationship was created for an all ages show to begin with. Saying Joker does care about Harley to some extent doesn't endorse his abuse of her, just makes it more nuanced.

You mean comic proof or cartoon proof because either way there are plenty

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

A for Ants that is

Because Harley is a feminist character, and feminists can be trapped in abusive relationships if they want to be.

Progress!

>Baby, you're the greatest!
Stop being a prude, OP.

>that one throw away scene in Mad Love
Oh, so you know there's proof but you just feel the need to be a contrarian

Don't know if you noticed, the whole episode/comic was based around it being an unhealthy relationship. It's even in the title. But no, there's just the one scene that shows it.

So which one is the throwaway scene? The one where he throws her onto the street? Or is it the one where he knocks her out of a window and leaves her for dead in an alley? Or maybe the one where she admits, to herself, that he's an abusive asshole but snaps back to full sappy loveydovey mode the moment she gets a flower and a note showing he remembers she still exists?

I would like it if they had a relationship similar to what crossbones and sin have. (or had? been a while since i read a comic) It is my guilty pleasure: two evil, and irremediable characters whose only redeeming quality is the real love they feel for each other

Harley isn't evil. She's mentally ill. Even when she blows up hundreds of children it isn't because of some evil plot.

>durrrr muh waifu cant be evulz
Kill yourself, degenerate.

>new 52 shit

Fuck Edgelord Joker

But that would be going agaisnt what the pairing what's crated for and doing a disservice to them. Pauil Dini even said in the foreword of Mad Love that Harley/Joker was created as a warning tale about the dangers of loving the wrong person, of creating the wrong idea of a love one and excusing every fault and wrong they do,he even said there that Harley/Joker was partly created based on a mutual friend he and Timm had

Why don't people use Punch and Jewelee more? They're Harley and Joker without the abuse.

I ask the same thing. Punch and Jewelee are the perfect pairing for what the Squad what going for

Even as a kid I rather disliked Harley.

Sure at first she was fun as a side character, a henchwoman, but then they gave her depth, they made her an actual character with Mad Love. And I hated it. Well, not that the story is shit, I hate this abusive relationship, it's like talking to a clown parents hired for your party and he suddenly starts talking about how he does this as a second job to buy to his wife new shoes and he suspects that she is cheating on him.

And people love it, they love that Harley blew away her career on a maniac who fucking kills people and then they love when he calls her complete shit. Am I only one sane?

They say Harley is smart, if she was smart, she wouldn't be calling herself Harley Quinn anymore.

Because Gotham City is a city of crazy people and it fits the theme of the show? Are YOU insane? Not every story needs to have the same dichotomy of good and evil, tragedy can be portrayed and not necessarily emulated.

Because it's mutual in every aspect. They both love each other, they both do each other's heads in and neither can do without the other for very long.

They deserve each other

>hate this abusive relationship, it's like talking to a clown parents hired for your party and he suddenly starts talking about how he does this as a second job to buy to his wife new shoes and he suspects that she is cheating on him.

Well I guess you got what Dini what going for. You aren't to feel happy for them, you aren't supposed to feel anything but sorry and pity. This is a warning tale that not all relationship are like fairy tales where the shining knight come rescue the princess and live happily-ever-after

Keep in mind that Dini's Harley is a cheating D-student slut.

THIS
Mad Love was the writers believing their own hype and projecting their women issues. Harley stopped being fun, The Joker went full edgy and the fanboys always go to that episode/comic to proof how their waifu is deep. Really, who want to see a domestic abuse story on a cartoon about a guy dressed like a bat punching a clown? There's a difference between fantasy/stilized violence and realistic violence

I bet Dini was cucked by an alpha

Dini had issues, that's true. Read "Dark Night: A True Batman Story" and you'll understand Dini POV

>tfw when you're an incel orbiter well into your 30s

Yes, I get that. As I said, I don't think character is shit, I don't think her story is shit, I just felt genuine sadness for them and hatred for Joker. It's people who love this abusive relationship I don't get.

What I don't get is that people genuinely love that abusive relationship and want to be Harley Quinn and cosplay as her and fucking say she's a feminist fucking icon. She is not, she is either abused housewife, either DC's Waypool. Oh, and then there is /u/ bait.

I think my reaction is appropriate, but I know people who actually think this is romantic. No kidding.

98% of romance books have the male lead rape the woman and she enjoys it. Fifty Shades has sold over 100 million copies. This is what they like.

S-should I just go to /r9k/?

A book have never hit me as hard as this book did

Not /r9k/ but it's a fact women enjoy physical and emotional abuse on their romantic fantasies because they can change him and shit. The average female fantasy looks written by /r9k/ after all, pic related. The difference is that /r9k/ reduced the female mentality to those stories only despite they're basically porn for women and use it as an excuse to not have a girlfriend

Still better than the time Joker beat Robin to death with a crowbar

Joker was so proud of Harley trying to kill him. True love desu.

this makes more look harley like a crazy stalker than joker like an abusive boyfriend

Because people will complain that they're a lame rip-off of Joker and Harley, even though they are decades older than Harley.

That's actually more interesting, he just thought she was cute eye candy but then found her annoying and now he keeps having to put up with this obnoxious whore even though he'd rather she leave so he turns to being actually abusive hoping it will drive her off.

Why not both?

DCAU and Mad love were for kids too.

>more interesting
How? All it does is replace "Joker is just naturally abusive after he made the mistake of picking up a woman by pretending to love her" with "Joker deliberately chooses to be abusive after he made the mistake of picking up a woman by pretending to love her"

The setup and the outcome are the same, he's just a slightly bigger dick in the version where he also keeps taking her back before realizing he doesn't like her at all and goes back to being deliberately abusive

Her fans don't read comics...than again does anybody anymore besides us?

>Sup Forums
>reading comics

you a funny man, user

>Punch and Jewelee are the perfect pairing for what the Squad what going for

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch_and_Jewelee#Suicide_Squad

I know they were part of the Squad, that why I said that. Hell you could change the Harley & Joker names from the Squad movie to Punch and Jewelee and I don't think there'll be any noticeable difference

> read IGN review explaining what I'm seeing

oh shit I need to read this don't I

Was that really in hear bio for that website?

Yeah, you do. Dini hit real hard spots in his life. Not wonder life awarded him with the real life Zatanna

Nah, an user edited that. The 300 children killer was added by a pissed-off user

This is the part where I repost something people are tired of seeing.

Dini was a producer on the John Wesley Shipp 90s live-action Flash.

The final episode of the show centered around a dark comedy themed rogue who inherited an unwanted female groupie who transformed herself into a sidekick with matching costume and name. The over-the-top villain treated her like dirt, verbally and physically while remaining in character.

The man they cast for this character was a largely out of work actor named Mark Hamill.

A year later, BTAS premiered and Paul gave us Hamill Joker and a "new" character, Harley Quinn.

All that being said, P&J have great chemistry and need more love.

>>because pre52 joker treated her so greatly too

>Dini was a producer on the John Wesley Shipp 90s live-action Flash.

He was?. Didn't know, that's neat

I thought it was that her name (Harleen Quinzel) just resonated with his sense of humor.

And Howard Chaykin wrote a few eps. Fun, good show that integrated some of Wally's supporting characters (e.g. the McGees).

Hey Hank Pym, do you have any images that aren't thumbnails?

>as gently like an ant

This page's better, even more if you know the twist

This makes the Gotham High concept look nuanced.

That's from her solo, right? It's Poison Ivy dressed up to prove a point

Yes and Yes

People like to think that they are cerebral, but in general humans very much act on emotion.

Does the artist really like the innovation that is rifling or does that gun fire a bullet using a spring? Also why the liquid black? Fresh human blood isn't black.

It's the Joker's gun, obviously acts like a toy while shooting a real bullet, also that ain't Harley, it's Ivu dressed as Harley just to prove to Harley that she was right and Joker eventually was going to kill her. Just look at the blood closely, it ain't black but green

I saw green blotches in the fluid of the last panel, but I just assumed those were from the bouquet. The rest still looks black to me. I even cropped a piece of the black looking puddle and zoomed in so I could look at it without other colors surrounding it influencing what I see. Obvious green blotches aside, that stuff looks Vanta.

Well it's Ivy's blood, so its gonna have some shit coloring in there

the difference is that harley is not a victim of the joker anymore than joker is the victim of batman wen batman beats him up.
She's not a victim who is too weak to leave a bad relationship, but she's actually trying to roce herself on hi, it's just that he's as crazy as she is and turns violent, where most other people would have tried getting a restraining order.

Harley gives it as good as she gets desu.

Harley and The Joker are together in TMNT too.

>Make me Laugh
>M. Hamill

Lel

>Really, who want to see a domestic abuse story on a cartoon about a guy dressed like a bat punching a clown?
Bravo Dini I love you

Wait, is she saying that Ivy has a better figure than Harley??

Are you saying she doesn't?. Harley knows that Ivy has a better figure than her

They always seem to be drawn with similar figures.

Yeah, that's true but Ivy's known to be THE femme fatale of Bats rogue gallery and the most sexy girl on Gotham

Yeah, but that was before B:TAS, which both introduced Harley and shifted Ivy from "serial rapist" to "eco-terrorist".

Didn't notice at first. Ha.

Isn't one of them dead?

Punch is.

Nah, they are both alive..Unless I missed something

Are they still going with that stupid "Catwoman is a mass murderer" angle?

Well alan moore pulled some strings but dc went apeshit over it so here we are

What issue?