He was right

He was right.

>handing out dangerous equipment like candy to the masses
no way this can end badly

Yes he was
Freedom hater detected

When everyone is super no one is?

I assumed it was to those who could afford it.

i doubt it would be to the masses. It would more than likely cost a ton simply for the small stuff and only those who could afford it would get it.

anyway he was wrong regardless. This whole thing came about because he couldn't listen to bob and got ass pained when he was upset over it

He's right though, once everyone is powerful, no one is powerful. Think about it, if everyone is bulletproof, bullets don't hurt anyone anymore. Besides, people should be able to hold power regardless of the fact that they have a potential to use it for evil if they wish. If only a few people are powerful they can cause trouble, but the trouble they cause is rendered moot if everyone else is so powerful as well that the trouble is simple for them to stop.

About what? Murdering innocent former superhero so he could get his ego stroked.

Syndrome is an AnCap martyr. I felt guilty about thinking he was cool as a kid, but now I realize it's because he was the real hero.

the best villains are

In what sense?

>It would more than likely cost a ton simply for the small stuff and only those who could afford it would get it.
Shit gets cheaper and more mass produced with time. Case and example: Smartphones.

smartphones are cheap (HA) because they're subsidized by companies who have no business without them and are manufactured by the children of poor Chinese farmers, not because the parts are inexpensive

*antagonists
A real villain is someone who does bad stuff and doesn't apologize for it.

are they really doing incredibles 2?

theyll never top syndrome

He was always keeping the best stuff for himself.

His isn't really an ancap ideology though. "Power to the People" is more socialist.

>Fighting against the fascist regime of superheroes
>Creating another fascist regime of the rich who can afford his gadgets
He was wrong.

What fascist regime of Superheroes? They were effectively undone by a series of frivolous lawsuits.
And his "era of everyone being super" would be long after he retired
He was going to sell it to the people.

This makes no sense. The Incredibles was written with Ayn Rand undertones. Syndrome is supposed to be the socialist because he thinks everyone should be a super so he holocausted all the supers so everyone can have a clean slate once he sells his super equipment at a low price so everyone can have coll-i mean be a super

It wasn't. That's just what anons believe.
The Incredibles is about the former Hottest shit in the world learning it's okay to have help from others and he doesn't need to be Atlas as they fight a selfmade Multibillionaire who despite being a successful businessman with an awesome life can't get over childhood slights. Bob's boss uses scummy business tactics instead of trying to do right by the people he's supposed to help and is shown as a piece of shit for it.
If it's objectivist it did a surprisingly bad job at being objectivist.

His entire motivation was entirely shallow and without just cause. If he had any introspection at all he would have realized how much danger he put himself and others into by trying to help Mr. Incredible instead of holding a grudge over nothing.

he's grotesquely ugly. the guy that drew him should be taken out into the street and have his hands broken
ditto whoever drew the bad guy from megamind

If you look at the scene where Bob says he works alone, and then look at Buddy's flashback to that scene, Bomb Voyage isn't there at all in the latter. Buddy never learned or realised.

How? He just wanted attention

>Communist
Yeah no

I know you're just baiting but you'd have to be retarded to think Syndrone was a communist. He never intended to give out his toys and gadgets for free, he was in it for Profit to the end.

The moral of The Incredibles was American exceptionalism versus egalitarianism. Egalitarianism was evil.

No he was not. Giving everyone the ability to manipulate pressure points to make someone explode from the inside out does not make the world a better place.

But he wasn't correct

Yes it does, if everyone can do it then they can just fix everyones shit. And yes, some people are going to die. But even more people die when only a few people can defend them.

>Yes it does, if everyone can do it then they can just fix everyones shit.
The problem is he's not going to distribute them on any merit of 'fixing shit', just who pays him the most. It's like inventing a nuclear bomb and giving it to the Highest Bidder.

If you sell one off to everyone you create world peace.
If you sell it off to just the Nazi's you're just pure evil.

then let just give everyone guns! Kids, adults, the elderly - everyone! I'm sure that there will be no repercussions at all, since everyone can just fix their problems on their own now!
I can't see how many people who have different opinions, life experiences and prejudice/hatred towards other doing bad stuff with those guns! Golly, I am sure everyone will be a better person just because they can deal with a problem themselves!

He was wrong about his choice of wardrobe, so based off of that alone yeah I'd say he was wrong about everything else too.

So North Korea owning nukes and the US owning them makes us equal powers on the world stage. I see now

This desu. Being ugly automatically invalidates all arguments.

In case any anons in this thread are serious, he was not right.

That's like giving everyone you know a rocket launcher and hoping nothing will go wrong. Something will most definitely go wrong, and it will be a lot worse than if no one had a rocket launcher.

problem most folks seem to ignore is his whole "sell it off to the highest bidder", not just handing it out to everyone.


it's not like his tech is going to magically appear in the hands of every man woman and child on earth simultaneously

the point is that he would create a power imbalance and profit like mad off of it while the world burns at the hands of the people who bought his shit (until the opposition was desperate enough to buy it as well, leading to a big back-and-forth of more pointless death until both realize the futility in it)

evil plan dressed up nicely is still evil plan.

>if everyone can do it then they can just fix everyones shit.

Then what was the point of fucking having it in the first place?

That's the principle behind the Nuclear Peace.

Well besides looking retarded with a giant S slapped onto his chest, it also ended up killing him in the end by getting sucked into the turbine because of the cape. Villains need their own Edna Mode.

>basically just an arms dealer that killed a bunch of people in order to monopolize and shill his product
You can argue that his technology could've been used to make the world a better place (and you'd be right), but bear in mind that literally nothing he does in the entire movie helps achieve that goal. He didn't need to kill anyone to sell his technology, and was deliberately withholding it so that he could pretend to be a superhero.

I always wondered about that scene. Was that a flashback to a previous moment that Buddy confused with what actually happened with Bomb Voyage? Or was that his interpretation of what Mr. Incredible did?

Keep in mind, your memories can sorta fudge things together. Especially when you're a kid.

THIS

With his genius, he could've applied himself to be the Reed Richards of that universe. He could've improved humanity and in case, villains DO arise, Buddy has his zero point energy and other gadgets to deal with them.

It's funny how Buddy never realized his intelligence was a superpower itself. No ordinary kid could create rocket boots that actually work regardless of how much of a prodigy you are.

I mean, look at what Buddy did at the age of 25 (when he launched the Omnidroid in public):

- Zero point energy
- Advanced A.I.
- An island fortress
- An army of goons
- A colossal fortune from black market dealings and arms sales

That shit is Alexander the Great-tier achievement. Ozymandias and Doctor Doom can't even boast that kind of tech or resources at that age.

>the only thing that prevented ww3 were the WMDs.
makes you think doesnt it

thats the reason why ths US hasnt brought """"freedom"""" to NK

You know, it's surprising, Buddy didn't become a typical polymath comic genius. If he had delved into biotech and genetics, he probably would've became something like Mister Sinister, the High Evolutionary, Dark Beast, Jackal.

Instead of killing the Supers, he'd be using them as test subjects for cracking the genetic code as well as utilizing his own eugenics to crate a master race of Supers; something which Gamma Jack hinted at. In fact, if this wasn't a Pixar film, I could've easily have seen Gamma Jack be a willing accomplice with Syndrome.

>that hair
>that face

Should've called him down syndrome.

He was actually going to create the greatest class division in history by selling to the highest bidders.

Syndrome's future would have been a dystopian nightmare oligarchy where the rich have superpowers and everyone else is dirt under their heels.

Meanwhile, natural supers represent a talent that can appear on any social strata at random. Assuming they pass their gifts on when breeding they're far more likely to produce a scenario where everyone is somewhat equal.

So Syndrome was a Super too, right? He just didn't realize it.

So Lex Luthor vs Magneto...

You know, imagine if THAT was what X-Men or shall I say the LEX-Men are about. Humans developing their own means to ascend into greatness versus reproduction of gifted individuals.

Obviously. He's basically a super autistic version of Reed Richards, but without any maturity.

When you examine Buddy from the clues hinted in The Incredibles, you realize why he had such a fixation on Bob Parr.

Bob dealt with Buddy's fanboyism in the past and even told the cops to deal with his mom. Not his parents, but his mom. So Buddy didn't have a father figure, hence why he latched onto Mr. Incredible.

Plus the fact that he was this awkward super-genius kid and probably didn't have friends or got mercilessly bullied, he felt that by being Incredi-Boy would give him purpose and confidence in life.

It really makes you wonder how things would've turned out if Bob sat down with Buddy and explained to him that being a superhero is dangerous and not a glorious job. And that Buddy is still a kid and value his childhood years before real life weighs him down.

Maybe but in the end it doesn't really matter. Super or just a genius in the end he squandered his greatness being petty and resentful and not recognizing he had a good life

The conflict breaks down when you realize that in the latter case humans are developing their own means to greatness, they're just doing it through a natural genetic process rather than an artificial one.

If the humans developing artificial means to ascension are fighting them, the only real reasons they have to do so is petty jealousy or a desire to be the only ascended people. The X-Men have fought villains like that before.

They're fighting a bunch of villains like that right now actually. They're called the Inhumans.

>not recognizing he had a good life
Eh, I don't think Syndrome had a good life. Even if he had a swanky tropical island, tons of money, and a hot assistant, he's basically a James Bond villain.

He spent all his time and resources to kill the very thing he idolized: Supers. And doing so, he became less and less satisfied with his life until he created the Omnidroid to defeat his childhood hero. Killing Mr. Incredible would finally kill the part of Buddy that was still in Syndrome. Even when he was fighting Bob, Buddy still had a sense of respect and admiration for his hero. That's why it wasn't just fanboyism for Bob's threat rating or that line about the Omnidroid not being good enough.

That's why kidnapping Jack-Jack was an extension of Buddy's inner turmoil. Jack-Jack is everything that Syndrome wanted from Bob. Remember how Syndrome even said he'd be supportive and encouraging; something Bob wasn't to Buddy? Or how he sneered about Jack-Jack being a good sidekick? Remaking Jack-Jack into his image is still his fixation on being accepted by Mr. Incredible by ironically turning his own son into a supervillain lackey.

>They're fighting a bunch of villains like that right now actually. They're called the Inhumans.
To be fair, the Inhumans have superhuman potential grafted into their genetics like the rest of 616 Earth inhabitants. That's thanks to the Celestials. The Kree and their Terrigen Mists merely brought it out through an artificial means.

Except for one thing; that wasn't true, at least not to Bob. It was dangerous, but Bob lived for danger and excitement. Being a superhero was also extremely glorious. Look at the lifestyle Bob was leading as a Super versus his life as an insurance agent.

Of course Bob enjoyed the danger and excitement, but he was a grown man who knew the risks. This was a 10 year old kid who nearly got himself killed by Bomb Voyage. This is why kids shouldn't be involved with capes and masks (I'm looking at YOU Batman!).

The youngest Super was Stratogale who was a teenager in high school. Even she paid the price of being careless when her cape got caught in that plane turbine. What's worse is that her death probably caused that plane to crash.

Well obviously recognizing he had a good life would come before he began throwing it away to become a villainous cliche. Hell Mirage even seemed to care for him up until he threw her under the bus and demonstrated he didn't really have the capacity to care for anyone. Buddy could've had a good life is my point and instead he decided to become a monster because he felt rejected as kid.

>Killed various superheroes and was going to sell WMD to the public for a quick buck just because his hero told him to fuck off while he was being an obnoxious shit.
>Right

>That's why kidnapping Jack-Jack was an extension of Buddy's inner turmoil.
Can't believe I never caught this. I thought the ended was tacked on with for a lolcapes joke.

It's the perfect revenge as well sheds light on Buddy's mental state.

Throughout his entire life, he craved for Mr. Incredible's approval. And suddenly here's this infant son of his idol. Syndrome will simultaneously gain his revenge on Bob while also fulfilling what he desired in his life. By raising Jack-Jack as his protege, he not only gets to fulfill what was denied to him in childhood, he gets to become a better role model than Mr. Incredible was to Buddy. He's killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

Doesn't matter if he's smart enough to do the calculation in his head, register entry is used both for inventory tracking as well as final tally for profits.

It's literally what Buddy saw as what happened in that scene.

You're being a smartass. I was saying his choice of wardrobe wasn't wise as its the same kind that killed supers by accident due to the cap malfunctions. Therefore, he wasn't that clever to begin with

Except no. The supers are born into their power. They represent a kind of hereditary monarchy where if you're not born into power, you're out of luck.

By selling powers you ultimately make them available to everyone as they get cheaper and cheaper. Look at how wide spread modern cellphones are. You'd never have one if you had to be born with the right to own one.

His design is great. It's expressive, unsettling, and avoids the "handsome billionaire" schtick. He makes up for his ugliness with charisma.

He only was only sell it after he got old and had his fun

It was pretty obvious he was a super but didn't know it. What 10 year old kid makes rocket boots like they were nothing? Even when he was an adult, he made so many inventions he was able to patent them and become a millionaire.

>It really makes you wonder how things would've turned out if Bob sat down with Buddy and explained to him that being a superhero is dangerous and not a glorious job.
This is the most tragic part. Bob didn't even bother to actually talk to buddyand explain to him that being a superhero isnt a game but felt just telling him to fuck off was good enough.

Damn, that's a pretty good character analysis

Yeah, it's not like X-men powers where you can be born with them randomly. Powers don't seem to occur that easily and frequently in Incredibles-verse.

Eventually if the superheros went too far they'd garner an oligarchy of power and forcibly just kind of abduct and take in anyone born or coming into them not in their little clique.

It's not an S, it means he's secretly a blue lantern.

No it's the fact that it's a cult full of people who are half starved and plague ridden.

What are you gonna do with them? Reeducate them? Who says they won't try to kill you.

The task is Herculean when it arrives. Also people in the South have given them cash before. Cash when they where on the brink due to famine.

I think Bob did at first, but Buddy didn't listen, hence why he was fed-up with the kid. The fact that it was on his wedding day AND how completely oblivious Buddy was to near death is what made Bob go gruff.

You know, Syndrome reminds me a lot of Mr. Glass from the Unbreakable film. Both idolized superheroes in their youth and unfortunately became diabolical masterminds to weed out their counterpart who had physical strength and durability. A crossover between the 2 would be awesome in a story.

>Except no. The supers are born into their power. They represent a kind of hereditary monarchy where if you're not born into power, you're out of luck.

HOWEVER, you have the same chance at being a super as anyone else. Have you guys actually seen any of the supplementary materials? People randomly get them without any superhero parents. Frozone actually talks a little about how he one day figured out he could freeze stuff. Eventually everyone is going to have these powers, due to natural selection.

>By selling powers you ultimately make them available to everyone as they get cheaper and cheaper.

1. The flow of technology downward only occurs if the people with that technology want it to. If it gives them an earth-shattering advantage over everyone else, they don't need to share.

2. Even if they DO, then by the time people get their hands on the lowest forms of enhancement, the stuff the most wealthy have access to will have advanced so far as to blow that shit out of the water. They'll always be able to afford more powers and better powers so they'll always be in charge.

>Syndrome always wanted to be a superhero
>wears the same letter on his chest as the best, most powerful, first superhero in fiction

Huh. I didn't notice that until now.

I've always wondered why the fuck would he name himself Syndrome. I mean, I get why it applies to Buddy's personality because he has a serious "I want to be a Superhero" syndrome but it doesn't sound very heroic. I mean Synapse would be more fitting since it deals with Buddy's brain processing and intellect.

He probably just thought it sounded cool.

He could have had it all, man. All he needed to do was not be a bitch about it.
I mean, how are you not able to tell that maybe, just maybe, Mister Incredible was kind of a dick out there for the applause, but that doesn't make him a bad person- he also helped people and put himself at risk time and time again to save Buddy.
Buddy should have realized that he put himself into a dangerous situation he wasn't mature enough to handle at the time and that the stress at having to deal with all of what was going on made Mr. Incredible more catty than he needed to be.

He's a comic book fanboy that never grew up; basically Brody from Mallrats if he didn't have Rene and had access to super-tech.

What a gigantic waste, can you imagine?
Fucking Reed Richards all over again.

You know, it's amazing how a lot of so-called superhero geniuses in Marvel are part of the good guys. In any other fashion, they would've been villains. Reed, Pym, Stark, and Beast have justifications and backgrounds to be sociopathic criminals.