So Bismuth insists that her wrist mounted pile driver would've given the Rebel Gems a chance...

So Bismuth insists that her wrist mounted pile driver would've given the Rebel Gems a chance, but why and how would the Breaking Point even achieve that?

We don't know enough about the war, how it was fought, when, what numbers, what kind of battles there were.

And also what is the tactical advantage of shattering over poofing? Isn't there plenty of ways to OHKO poof a gem than use a weapon that was a cumbersome wield and maximum range of less than half a metre?

Its literally explained in the episode you fag. The weapon crushes the gems forever.

Total death.

Shattering ensures the gem never comes back, poofing is just playing the probability game.

But would advantage is that over poof'n'bubble?

You shank them through the chest, poof them, and slap your hand on them to permanently seal them from re-emerging

Also keep in mind that this was over 5000 years ago and gem tech was significantly less advanced.

Because Sugar, nor any of the crew understand tactics, strategy, or warfare in general, expecting it's depiction in their show to make sense is foolish.

Shattered gems leave shards that can be used to bring armies of living armor to life.

Or used in Cluster Fusion experiments

Bitch was crazy, her mind had broken due to the strain of war.

>MAKE WEAPON
>???
>KILL THE DIAMONDS
>???
>FREEDOM FOR THE PROLETARIAT

Its why she sperged out and tried to kill Rose (and later Steven) for simply disagreeing with her.

Yeah but its a shitty weapon for the battlefield, too much windup and precision required.

The normal method of combat is much more effective, the only thing the breaking point is good for is executing already restrained gems.

Also killing Gems doesn't help the rebellion, their only source of new recruits is converted Homeworld Gems.
And Homeworld outnumbers them a million to one, they had no chance at winning in a kill-off.

>Take on an entire gem army with the Breaking Point
>Kill 1 or 2 opponents with it
>Get swarmed because it takes time for the damn thing to work
>They kill you with the Breaking Point
>They now have the Breaking Point
WOOW

Shattering the diamonds would make the Homeworld hierarchy fall as opposed to poofing.
Shattering would also instill fear in the hearts of other gems and increase respect.

This makes me think the Bismuth cut of gems were never used or seen again

You don't see blacksmiths these days, don't you?

>Take on an entire gem army with the Breaking Point
>ger shot with a laser light cannon

Not exactly, more like Bismuth didn't understand tactics or strategy, all she knew was building things and hitting people.

"They hit us hard we hit them hard too" vs "nooooo fighting is bad" and pacifism/mercy somehow won

They aren't supposed to be Blacksmiths

They're builders, they build arenas and temples

Some gems could be like Amethyst and reform faster than you can bubble them. Don't run the risk of someone unbubbling them

Seriously the range is absolutely pathetic.
Bismuth has rocks for brains

Bismuth original work on Homeworld is making building and working with stone to make structures.

She claims that she finaly had the freedom to do whatever he liked because of Rose...and what she LOVED to do was weapons.

>they assume the breaking point is a good weapon because they're dumbass quartzes
>checkmate

Pretty sure it was the philosophy behind the weapon more than anything. It was a weapon designed with the intent to shatter.

You know what's really stupid about the whole bismuth episode.
this bitch gives the crystal gems new gear and shit, but we barely see the gems using any of it, except amethyst only one time

How was she supposed to reach the Diamonds in the first place?

Hell, how was she supposed to reach the Diamond's gem with her shitty emergency hammer? Those bitches are tall. We don't even know how Rose managed to kill the weakest and most inexperienced of them who had the least guards standing between the rebels and her.

Also shattering wouldn't install fear so much as deny the Crystal Gems and further converts to their cause, and lead to the Diamonds nuking them even faster.

I think that it was more of "the principle" and the what using it entails.

>reform faster than you can bubble them

>Poof a gem
>Gem falls onto ground
>power-stance and cup it
>Bwoop

Less than five seconds of work, breh

Amethyst takes approx a minute to come back

What, do you think the Homeworld Gems were employing Regeneradors or something?

Except that's not even the best way to defeat a gem.

They could have done what happened to lapis themselves, keep the prisoners powering magical items is a much better use than shattering them.

Because in this particular circumstance 'mercy' is actually the more effective tactic. Trying to go toe to toe with homeworld or invade was never a feasible option.

In battle itself it could be tougher to bubble them rather than the skirmishes we typically see.
For instance in the Centipeedle episode Garnet bubbles a gem before it even hits the ground which could imply it recoops very fast. Ontop of that if they have back up their cohorts can just save them and retreat/fight tou back.
Rape spike destroys any chance of that happening however there's also a large factor of plain old spite on her part.

>Hell, how was she supposed to reach the Diamond's gem with her shitty emergency hammer? Those bitches are tall.


Most likely fusion.


Also, by the way that they talked, Bismuth probably used to fuse with them on battles.

Now Im curious for how it would have looked like.


In terms of power levels, how strong was she? Is she on Garnet level? A little below?

But Pinky was shattered.

Seeing as the upgrdes are individual physical objects its actually kind of a hassle when their weapons are usually generated out of light as needed? Plus I guess they feel bad about using them and being reminded of their schizo former friend that tried to kill Steven

They probably feel conflicted about using Bismuth's weapon upgrades since she turned out to be a violent extremist who tried to kill Steven

Somehow

We aren't likely to get any answers until the next 6 months

Because the act of stopping, bending over to pick up a gem, and then bubbling it would leave you vulnerable in the heat of battle. It might be possible if there are contingents of bubblers in the army running around the battlefield, but I would assume the CG's mainly used guerrilla tactics. Quick hit and run attacks that leave absolutely no opportunity to bubble. Like when we saw Rose and Pearl crash that party of Blue Diamond's. When Pearl poofed the rubies, how was she supposed to bubble them when she and Rose were alone in the heart of BD's court?

True, but still the CGs could have smashed an enemy or two, like Jasper for example, she's just a cancerous sore that should be removed

Bismuth spared with them, looked pretty strong.

Does she even has a weapon, or she just shapeshift her arms?

Jasper was 2 Swole 2 Control, no one but Fusions could take her on.

She survived being fried and having a battleship crash with her in it.

Pretty sure the only reason Peridot managed to poof her was because her body became weaker after she was corrupted.

>they make a shit ton of breaking points but never bother improving it
>they don't bring anything ranged
>they end up shattering each other

Because Bismuth wanted to KILL HOMEWORLD not imprison them. That was kind of the big message, she wasn't trying to save a world, or end a war, she just wanted to kill Homeworld gems.

This. Even a glancing hit from the breaking point would probably at least poof a gem.

Woolie just loves killing, he doesn't think things through

That lack of conviction is why there's only 3 CGs left.
Bismuth was right.

A fall from a counter top can shatter a gem, the Breaking Point could easily poof and shatter a gem just by being in the general vicinity of it.

It was Bismuth who did not have the conviction to be a Crystal Gem.

Well no, the fact homeworld has magical song WMD's is the reason for that, killing nobles and waving pointy pieces of metal around wouldn't have exactly made a difference.

It could probably poof a gem, but then again there's an array of weapons at the time that could poof a Gem in one go even better or much easier to wield.

Take away the shattering aspect and all that's left is an off-centre brass knuckle

Don't hyperbolize, mate.

Why the actual fuck do the gems have their brains(gems) exposed outside instead of inside of them?

To project shit from them.

Likely because its part of the nature of their gems & projected bodies? They at least need them exposed to use many of their powers.

The problem is that it misses and jeopardizes the entire point of Rose's rebellion. Rose wanted all gems to be free, and apparently its not that hard to convince them. Bismuth just wanted to kill upper class gems out of sheer spite out of sheer spite, not realizing or just not caring that they're victims of the caste system. She would have been killing off half their potential recruits and making the other half (rightly) think the CGs are just a bunch of bloodthirsty nutjobs.

And it wouldn't have even won the war. It would have given them a few bloody battles, and then the diamonds would go "fuck that shit" and corruption bomb them from orbit. Ironically, her plan to kill the diamonds might have saved Pink by scaring her off.

Even if they DID manage to shatter all four diamonds in a surprise attack, just look at the reaction from gems like Jasper. A good chunk of the gem population would absolutely despise them for it and the war would only get worse.

Yes but user thats their fucking brain, you can just shoot a bullet at that gem they are fucked for life. Even robots have their brains(CPUS) inside of them and not outside.

Ease of access for doing other crazy shit with the gems.
Also, possibly a kind of "Mana charge" deal where they need to be exposed to open air to have their gem "breath" and keep up their form.

Or, if you want to go a bit retarded and /trash/-y,
why do humans have their genitals hanging out instead of tucked inside their body? Cause it feels goooooood.

>Rose wanted all gems to be free,
Rose was a moron, if it were not for her the Crystal Gems would still be alive, its all her fault 99.9% of her comrades are dead.

Are their hologram bodies tougher than their gems?

>open air to have their gem "breath" and keep up their form.
>gem breath
>gem breathe
>breathe
Do you know breathing even is?
>why do humans have their genitals hanging out instead of tucked inside their body? Cause it feels goooooood.
For men its because our sperms need really specific temperatures to actually work.

Their brain, their body, the gem is their true whole. That's how the gems are. Also I don't think it's that easy to hit a relatively small moving target with a bullet that easy.

The CGs were fucked the instant they decided to do an open rebellion and nothing any of them did was going to change the outcome.

Thats not precise.

Its actually a fate worse than death, you leave the shards forever half-mindless and seeking to be whole.

And killing footsoldiers or civillians wouldn't have done much for winning hearts and minds, which is important when your only hope of gaining new members is to recruit those gems.
Also when up against an enemy that is capable of being more ruthless and destructive than you could ever hope to be, mindless escalation is stupid in this scenario.

Yes Rose Quartz is an idiot that ruined the lives of all of her comrades. Pinky was real attached to Earth thus the cluster wouldnt have happened if that stupid bitch didnt kill Pinky.

>Its actually a fate worse than death, you leave the shards forever half-mindless and seeking to be whole.
Thats like saying someone with a split brain is still "someone" no user its just brain malfunctioning.

Sorry, I had a typo. it happens. I meant "breathe" with quotes.
They don't actually breathe, but it could be a thing where their gems need to be exposed to gather energy or some shit.

Gems clearly have some form of limit to the energy they use to form their light bodies, weapons, use powers, etc. as we've seen that excess shape-shifting can exhaust them.
However, they can clearly hold their normal base forms indefinately without tiring.

This implies that their gems have some kind of constant energy regen that is greater than the cost of their base form, but less than the cost of holding a transformed form.
I was just saying that seeing how that's the case, perhaps having the gem exposed helps them with that regen process.

No, the world would still have been stripmined and turned into an airless Gem Husk like the hologram they saw on the moon base.

The only think Pink did was transplant some humans to a zoo space station.

>wrist mounted pile driver
Clearly, gem technology is entirely dildo based.

Well they basically fuck planets to death

>the enemy begins using your shitty weapon that got you killed

just as keikaku

well I'd be pretty violent too if my given name was Darlington

99.9% of her comrades aren't dead

they're just insane monsters

Who cares about some apes? Rose and the crystal gems would be still be alive with their jobs.

It's just supposed to show that Bismuth is pro-shattering, leading to the conflict with Steven.

>Gemships move faster than light
Why the fuck don't they just kamikaze the earth?

That's like, the inverse of a terrible black person name, it sounds super fucking white and upper class

>who cares about the species I'm literally a part of?
>or organic life in general?
>or anything that isn't a polymorphic sentient rock?

user humans are just dumb animals, of course you gem comrades are objectively more important than them. If Rose wasnt a sick fuck she would have realized what an awful person she really is.

I assume the plan was to mass produce them and outfit and entire army with them

although honestly I think its also the point that this wouldn't have actually changed anything, its like the using of gas in WW1 it didn't actually change anything, it was just another in the list of horrible weapons that were used

You know that I think about it, Gems are pretty easy to poof. All it takes is getting stabbed and they lose their shape.

user, those weapons that make them poof are well constructed and designed.
You can't just shank a gem with a kitchen knife

KYS and there would be one less dumb ape user :^)

Jasper got stabbed by some random metal rob

It's a terror weapon.
Like an explosive sniper bullet.
It kills the enemy very dead, but just dead is plenty already.
What you really want is to scare everyone around the guy who gets it, when suddenly his head splatters across the field and all of you, a second before you even hear the shot.
It does not win you the battle per se but it aims to lower enemy morale.
And it runs counter to Rose's ideals of self-determination and liberation.
A bubbled Gem can join you, a shattered Gem won't. Nor will anyone who saw you do it, because you demonstrated how ruthĺess you are.

She got impaled on a steel beam, yes.
That's not exactly a shiv.

And she was stabbed by a Gem who are shown to be superhuman

Its too late for that user, all of her comrades are dead because of her. Bismuth didnt give a shit about winning the war she just wanted to make sure her allies didnt die unlike that psychopath Rose allowing that to happen. She was enraged that Rose's nonsense actually caused her allies to die even though she tried to prevent it by creating the Breaking Point to minimize the casualities.

After she was beaten down, corrupted, and probably already on the verge of poofing.

>Nor will anyone who saw you do it, because you demonstrated how ruthĺess you are.
>implying HW gems didnt murder any non HW gem they saw.

Nigger pearl uses her lasers all the time now

The enemy being able to permanently annihilate your immortal race is pretty intimidating.

And they can do that without the breaking point anyway. Poof you, bubble you, send you to their base, torture you, then break you into forever suffering semi-sentient shards.

The CGs biggest (and really, only) advantage is that gems homeworld sends to fight them are one song and dance away from buying into their hippy bullshit. Using the breaking point would have minimized causalities in battles on the ground, but it would've completely screwed their recruitment strategy leaving them vulnerable to attrition tactics, and ground victory becomes irrelevant when the enemy becomes pissed off enough to use orbital weapons.

>the CG's upgraded weapons disappear shortly after this episode

LAME

idk man i'd feel weird about using weapons given to me by someone who tried to kill my adoptive son too

>blacksmith
>turned into a edgy rebel fighter

that's the reason they have gems created for war. They are not edgy shit wannabe warriors like Bismuth.

Just check those chill as fuck Amethyst from the Human Zoo. They are chill, but they will wreck your shit if they enter in war mode.

user user

it's a show for kids

She had lasers before. She learned how to do that before Bismuth getting bubbled and present day.

Amethyst kept it. Its how her whip went from doing nothing to almost something.

And the explanation why its far more logical not to use it was given numerous times even in this thread. The only counterarguement is OMG THEY DONT KILL??? ITS SOOOO GHEEEEY LMAO

No sane commander would order her heavily outnumbered guerillas to perma-kill enemies inviting retaliation when all it takes is a song and dance for them to defect and swell your ranks.

Too bad she cannot invent some device that stops Diamonds from turning whole armies into drooling animal shaped retards with a song.

> But would advantage is that over poof'n'bubble?

Better question, what's the advantage of poofing and bubbling. Bubbling means extra work and gathering your enemies in a place where they could possibly be released, not to mention poofing isn't always instant. Steven stabbed Bismuth right through the chest and she still had about a full minute before poofing. You can get a lot of shit done in a minute, take your enemy down with yo, finish entering commands for some ship or weapon, give orders to your troops. Dead on the other hand is ded.

she's an architect turned into an edgy rebel blacksmith

>>MAKE WEAPON
>>???
>>KILL THE DIAMONDS
>>???
>>FREEDOM FOR THE PROLETARIAT
>Its why she sperged out and tried to kill Rose (and later Steven) for simply disagreeing with her.

It was commentary, to anyone whose read up on their commie history would quickly be able to point out.

Don't forget cars. Mother fuckers obviously don't have a clue about driving, having learned everything they know from manga.