Atheism is the easy route, Christianity is hard

Atheism is the easy route, Christianity is hard

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The most difficult route is Kelis. Kek is not a forgiving god.

kekism*

Lets keep the dialogue focused on mainstream religions

What's so hard about Christianity? All you gotta do is believe in a book which isn't even as dumb as the story about Santa Claus.

Wether it's hard or easy has no connection its Truth. Atheists abandon Religion because they perceive it as wrong, not because it is "too hard".

Agreed, but the discussion is about which is a tougher belief to accept. The idea of nothing happens or the idea of judgement from a divine entity. Whether it's hard or easy is irreelavent, I agree.

Acceptingreligion or not is not the question posed.

The fuck are you even trying to say? I don't get it. Christianity is pretty easy to accept, because it technically has answers for everything and it's a belief system followed by many people so it stands to reason that if so many people believe in it, it's not wrong.

Which is obviously a shit argument, but you don't need a good argument.

Faith alone is Protestant heresy.

> Christianity is pretty easy to accept, because it technically has answers for everything and it's a belief system followed by many people so it stands to reason that if so many people believe in it, it's not wrong.

So because tons of People believe in Islam i should, whenever i find a unbeliever, "strike their Necks" ?

But tons of People believe in Christianity which tells me NOT to hurt others.

How does your statement stand to the assumption in the Past that the Sun rotates around the Earth? Almost everybody believed it back then. Didn't change reality tho.

Does not compute.

Generally you believe what you are taught.
Pretty damn simple.
Just pray your father doesn't sin or god will cast a curse on you.

>Christianity is hard

Yeah, the system that says "Everything you will ever need to know was written down a bunch of by Bronze Age goatherders 3,000 years ago. Also you can do whatever the fuck you want provided you say SOWWY JESUS before you die. Now, pass me some lubricant and an underage choirboy..." is really, really hard.

This

All I'm saying is it's tougher to be a Christian than an atheist. Saying Sorry Jesus won't cut it. In fact Christians have no idea whether they will go to heaven or hell even if they believe they did consider themselves a good person. Atheism you just are no longer conscious of existence, that's easier to accept knowing I don't have to worry about the after life and whether I am going to suffer for eternity.

the bible is heresy?

Yup. And you cannot accomplish it, no matter how hard you try.

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;"

Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;"

Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Rom. 11:6 "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Gal. 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal. 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.

Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."

Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."

Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, lest any man should boast.

Phil. 3:9, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

>Also you can do whatever the fuck you want provided you say SOWWY JESUS before you die.
What a load of bullshit.

Christian heaven is eternal praise of god.
Hope you like singing.

That's the thing, though - a believer usually assumes they're the ones going to heaven. Hell is for the others.

that whole pic basically defeats itself. by being a "stronger person" they get to "feel good, find purpose"

are people really that oblivious to what they're saying ?

>Being depressed is easy

Neither of them are "hard" in any way.
Even when I was a Christian I only really feared hell as a child.

>how can you explain a sunset if their is no god
>their is no god
>their

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>hebrews had writing 3000 years ago
>jesus lived 3000 years ago
>youre a faggot

pick one and only one.

Only a foolish Christian would think they are exempt from hell.

not according to Jack Chick
chick.com/reading/tracts/0021/0021_01.asp

The irony is it goes both ways.

Just make it easy on everyone and kill yourself.

Christianity is the cuck route.

Christianity is the narrow path that leads to life.

You're dead and don't even know it yet.

no but there are some religious people who think they're atheists

Let's NOT and

CHECK EM

Getting to heaven on your own merit is like trying to get a camel through the eye of a needle. Atheism isn't just a hard route, it's a dead end.

The only way is to enter on God's merit, by believing his sacrifice was enough to forgive your sins and save you. This is the straight and narrow, the only way.

This is real life, not a civ game.

Says the Catholic that thinks we need to pray to Mary a thousand times in a row, flog ourselves to correct our mistakes etc... you all rely on works and laws. You don't rely on faith.

This. Most people that become atheists do so they can pretend that their actions will have no consequences.

Checked, and not checked.

are you suggesting that the ancient hebrews had a written language 3000 years ago AND that Jesus lived 3000 years ago?
wew

SO WHAT
"Hard" does not necessarily translate to "true" or "most probably true".

Atheism is the harder route because it focuses you efforts on the living world and what you leave behind, as opposed to following jewish dogma for the promise of an ill-defined eternal reward.

Atheists spend the one life they have laboring to better the world and leave something for their family.

Theists spend their life worshiping an invisible sky magician and enriching the church in hopes that they'll do all the work for them.

>Atheists spend the one life they have laboring to better the world
u wot m8

When did you think that the proto-sinaitic language was invented? Seems to me that no earlier than 1850 BC was about 3000 years ago.

Jesus lived about 2000 years ago.

OP is always a faggot.

Your efforts on the world are nothing and meaningless; you leave nothing of importance behind, and after you die, you realize just how wrong you were in life.

The problem is that the person who believes in a hell and a heaven never believes that they are the ones that will go to hell. They justify any action they do as being the right thing to do.

If you have 2 contradicting beliefs, you pick the one which your friends agree with.

the spoken language existed long before the written language. i was under the impression that the oldest piece of ancient hebrew ever discovered was on a pottery shard from the time of king david. so, i guess they did have written language 3000 years ago, but surely people dont believe that the new testament was written then.

That's because you don't go to either heaven or hell depending on your actions.

You go to heaven if you are alive, spiritually, and you go to hell if you are dead, spiritually.

>fat neckbeards actually think there super heroes
Dear God...

I would hope not, as the NT was written between 32 and 95 AD.

[spoiler] don't mind me
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They're.*

Okay, so how exactly is that a "burden" that the religious have to bear?

Thank you

How does a person come to such retarded thinking? Do you have brain problems?

I follow Jesus, and His burden is light. He does all the heavy lifting. That Footprints poem isn't a joke. There are times I can look back and know that I was carried.

The hard part is ditching your pride in your own righteousness, in trying to do good and avoid evil, and surrendering to Jesus, admitting you need a savior because you cannot be like Him on your own.

It's easy to believe the truth, once you know it. It's easy to believe that Jesus is God, died for the sins of the world, and rose from the dead, if you know it's true.

>it stands to reason that if so many people believe in it, it's not wrong.

Your worldview says that your life's meaning is up to you.

So it dies with you.

This world, and your life, are temporary and fleeting. Nothing you do to it matters.

Only eternal things matter, and you deny all of them.

That's all fine and dandy, but that means that it's still not a scarier position than believing that nothing happens when you die.

Every religious person believes that they're going to heaven, so they aren't burdened with the knowledge that they might go to hell. They know they're not. Atheists know that there's nothing once you die. That's a scarier thought, because you just cease.

>Only eternal things matter
why?

What is scarier? Thinking you are an animal, and when you die, you cease to exist and turn back into dirt?

Or to think that you will receive an eternal body that will be judged, found wanting, and cast into a pitch black lake of fire for eternal torment, where the fire never goes out, and you never die?

Which scenario is worse?

Oh yeah, it's so hard hard to tell everyone they are going to hell if they don't worship the Jew.

Nope, just a regular person who actually contributes to society instead of a religious tool that tithes to the church.

Depends, the people who usually strongly belief in Christianity seem to be absolutely sure they'll go to heaven so it really just gives comfort, not that it's a bad thing. Although I really "believe" all the Abrahamic religions are just old school controlling instruments, just like socialist states are nowadays.

But only bad people get eternal fire and damnation!

I'm (RELIGION), so my eternal (REWARD) awaits me!
I just have to remember to (PERFORM DOGMA) one a (TIME PERIOD)!

First one, nonexistence is a bitch

>he doesn't flog himself to correct his mistakes.

It's like you aren't even sorry when you disappoint God and you want to be an unrepentant sinner.

Next you'll tell me you don't want your children to be beat by nuns.

Not sure If I want a man like you at my side during the final crusade.

>believing that you're in the middle of a cosmic battle between good and evil
>believing that you are in direct communication with the creator of the Universe, who listens to you and considers your wishes
>believing that he not only cares about your private life, he came down in human form and sacrificed himself to atone for everything that makes you feel icky

This is exactly the kind of grandiose, narcissistic bullshit, that humans naturally tend to believe. Dealing with uncertainty, complexity and one's potential insignificance is much more trying as far as I see.

>Only eternal things matter
No, only things that actually exist matter. The afterlife doesn't matter because it's not ducking real.
You're a delusional dumbass saying "I reject reality and substitute it with my own".
Fuck this misanthropy and rejection of reality.

Eternity is worse. Being a part of the ecosystem is comforting. It is good to know and understand that one day you will die and just as your life was sustained by other deaths your death will sustain other lives.
It takes a fucked up mind to make up some bullshit to pretend he's not a normal animal and he gets to cheat and keep living after he dies.

Hey Christians, wouldn't it would suck if the Muslims got it right and every Muhammad that has blown himself up is banging virgins as we speak? That would be pretty shitty.

Will what you did for a living matter in a million years?

Will your eternal destination matter in a million years?

All people are bad, but for Jesus.

So there goes that theory.

You felt tortured a thousand years ago?

Aye, disingenuous thy name is Atheism.

It's far more exciting to be involved in the former, not in your latter stage of random denial.

In a million years I'll be long gone so the question is meaningless.
No, I didn't exist. Pay attention.

The eternal awaits you despite your mental illness denying its existence. Your soul knows it's eternal.

Every human lives forever.

In one of two places of his own choosing.

You are an eternal being. In a million years, eternity will not even be said to have properly begun.

Fuck you and this misanthropic bullshit. How the fuck every one of you bastards preaching this anti-humanity bullshiy aren't killed I'll never understand.
Men are not inherently good or bad. A man chooses.

I did pay attention, and you chose foolishly, and demonstrably so.

You were not tortured a thousand years ago for not existing.

Humanity is evil and worships the devil, as you are a prime example of both.

Humanity is depraved.

What you call "good" is only good relative to humans who are even worse than you are.

>The eternal awaits you
No, it doesn't.
>Your soul knows it's eternal.
Souls aren't real, fucktard.
>Every human lives forever
That's a real interesting idea. Oh, wait, no, it's just bullshit.
Do you have anything to back up your dumbass assertions?

>You are an eternal being.
prove it
torture is preferable to nonexistence

I know for a fact that christianity is little more than a training wheels religion for children and chattel.

Milk for babies, meat for strong men

The former, because, again, no religious person believes that they are going to hell.

The pedophile priest doesn't believe he's going to hell. The serial killer doesn't believe he's going to hell. They all believe that they are righteous, and justify it in their own way. The thought they they could be the ones that go to hell never even crosses their mind.

I guarantee you it will cross their mind at some point.

>my opinion is better than your opinion
Who cares what's easy or hard? What matters is what's right.

Sure, after they get caught doing their evil or immoral deeds. But then they justify it to themselves that their God is merciful and all they have to do is repent.

Hell is not a scary concept when you believe that you won't go there.