What if Beast has been an asshole because he misses his buddy

What if Beast has been an asshole because he misses his buddy

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His buddy is in Rogue now though

What if Hank was gay for Logan?

What if Beast is an asshole because he doesn't like the way the universe is heading.

As in, he realizes that Cyclops was right about every point Beast tried to prove he is wrong of?

He's just hiding his feels with assholery.
You see, he's been feeling a little blue lately.

Only in those Japanese furry porn sites.

This, this so much. Beast is an asshole because his longest and oldest friend, Cyclops won't take responsibility for his shit. Two dead wives, one estranged son, several children from alternate realities that don't like him, and he slut shamed Emma in Uncanny #600 because he won't take some god damn responsibility for his own shit.

Cyclops=Shinji Ikari.

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See, he even drones out the world around him with his little portable music player. Yeah, Beast can be a dick, but what X-Man isn't a complete dick. Besides, Beast was the only one treating Emma Frost with any respect for the longest time.

>puts people on an island that can be bombarded from several different strategic points on land

>slut shamed
>cyclops wrong
Hello shit opinions and poor taste

The fuck are you talking about? Cyclops either takes all the responsibility, or some writier with a Scott hateboner or disdain for Scott changing retcons the shit out of everything.


Beast has been shit because he's been the sockpuppet of terrible writers, whil Scott is normally shit because people want him to be a moral punching bag for Wolverine all the time.

X-man is a displaycase for all the writers who learned how to write from early marvel but didn't understanbd what made it good.

and emma dumped on him as a reward. she's a bitch.

didn't she shatter and beast put her back together again?

>cyclops wrong

what did beast tell cyclops? that people would die

people died. in fact, nightcrawler died, who would have been against what cyclops was doing even more than beast.

what if beast has never been an asshole, but instead has been the adult in the room the entire time?

there's a better written version of the X stuff where Beast is a logical counterpoint to Scott.

>takes all the responsibility

is that why he wants others to do his dirty work for him and puts his fingers on a trigger if they stand up to him when he's acting like a bully? oh he took responsibility all right. he just throws a tantrum when it happens.

Really? You're citing Scott and Emma's secret coming out conversation as proof that Hank was right about all things? Really-really?
That was one thing he was right about, and quite possibly the only thing he was ever right about.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I haven't kept up with comics recently. And by recently I mean several years. But I remember remember really liking Wonder Man, what's he been up to lately, anything?

oh i know. beast has always done that to my knowledge.

>tfw no Cyclops x Beast
Shit writes itself when Beast is written like an asshole.

>not understanding that if a team doesn't trust each other they're dead before they enter the battlefield

scott literally said hank was right. the fuck are you one about?

Yes. She shattered and Beast was the only one who collected all the pieces and put them back together, despite everyone telling him to quit and that doing so was pointless.

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All that proves is that unlike Hank, Scott had zero problems admitting when Hank was right.

This is how Hank admits Scott was right. Not thinking rationally, only at the end of the line when nothing else is an option.

>has been an asshole

hey remember that time Sabretooth got BTFO after he'd basically eviscerated beast, and at the end the villains who hired Sabretooth to target him STILL conflated his heroism with not being the heart of the x-men?

About coming clean and to end all the secrecy, NOT about the choices that had to be made.
Beast kept advocating the wrong choices non-stop.

Respect and Trust have to be earned. Cyclops has lost both from the X-Men since AvX. Apply you own logic thusly.

>scott had zero problems admitting when hank was right

except for the fact that he didn't flesh out the conversation beast wanted.
except for the fact that he didn't fucking dump emma and kick her the fuck out of the x-men for taking beast, the fucker who save her life for granted

>scott summers was right
about what?

Cyclops killed two kids supposed to be under his protection by pressing that button. They were only saved because of actions X-23 took using a time travel device Beast made.

You Hankys and your constant reaching for justifications sicken me.

>Beast kept advocating the wrong choices non-stop.
The fuck did Cyclops do wrong anyway? He basically made all the hard choices and painted himself as a badguy to get the gov to leave the xmen alone.

Didn't he threaten Cali and then told him they'd protect them as long as they left the x-men alone?

>about coming clean and end the secrecy
>beast kept advocating the wrong choices

you can only choose one. being open is a choice. keeping secrets was a choice

the chips were down and you think communicating with villains to achieve a beneficial goal is wrong how?

>what did cyclops do wrong?

shot himself in the foot by keeping beast out of the loop. if you keep secrets and someone finds out, and then you still refuse to come clean when they confront you about it, you're basically saying that you want a new enemy.

>instead of hoping for beast to stop being written like shit beastfags have resorted to insulting other characters

You're worse than Jean Grey fans

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There's things you aren't considering here.
For instance: everyone knows that no matter what he says Scott was the one to murder Xavier in cold blood, not the Phoenix ...
but nobody has asked why.
Everyone's aware of the extreme change in behavior that Scott has exhibited from the before, during, and after of the Rightclops era ...
but the results speak for themselves: mutants are alive because of Scott's choice.
The disrespect everyone shows ... showed Scott ... when he was alive ... is the denial of respect that they owed him.

Keeping secrets from the leader is wrong. Keeping secrets from minions is encouraged. This is what Xavier taught all of his students.

Scott is the opposite of Shinji. He takes responsibility for everything. Scott puts himself on the front line again and again. The whole idea of X-Force was not as suggested. He created a Black Ops team to take care of problems that the X-Men could not deal with themselves. He was the mission control of that team because the was better for him and he could be a liability on Black Ops missions. The whole point is quiet elimination. Kinetic blasts which can destroy Sentinels are the opposite of quiet. As for the 'bullying' that mentions, that is recent and under the situation. Your race is down to less than 200 people, with enemies that are willing to kill everyone, men, women and children. None of the X-Men apart from Scott and a few others really understood the gravity of the situation. This wasn't the old times, nothing was going to be solved in one night with one battle. It was a war where the only reason the other side had for fighting was fanatical hatred.

Scott has taken responsibility for everything he has done. In fact, the only time that he hasn't is the Phoenix situation which was something completely out of his hands. No one was helping him, willing to lend him a hand. In fact, all they did was question and shit on him, Storm and Hank especially.

That is what the tragedy of Cyclops is. He is someone who was groomed for a role as a savior and accepted without question. He never voiced complaints and problems to others. When they boiled up, everyone acted surprised, acted like they came out of nowhere. However, they had been there every since Scott had accepted the plane crash. If someone had been prepared to help him, the conclusion might have been happier. Yet, they were all so happy to accept their scapegoat and leader that they never really questioned it.

>the denial of respect that they owed him

lol tell us about the conversation that nightcrawler never got to have with cyclops when he found out people were dying

>mutants are alive because of scott's choice
what choice was that?

and scott did not learn from xavier, who was persona non grata after it was found out that he was keeping secrets

He's turning to them (and he knows this) because there are certain horrific moral and ethical lines that they will cross without hesitation that Hank would apparently rather outsource.
Think about that. The very methods that make those characters villains are the thing he's turning to them for in that scene.
Not doing the horrible things himself and taking the blame for it, as someone else would do, but rather willfully turning a blind eye to what he's requesting be done on his behest.
The hypocrisy alone is villainous.

cyclops goes to war.

beast tries to solve problems with science and problems solving. clearly beast is the more moral person.

>not doing the horrible things himself
knowing of something that might be immoral is participating in it.

scuse me

knowing of something that might be immoral that you are offering inquiries about is risking participating in it

Not only is secret-keeping a tried and true tactic of all other X-leaders of the past, but given that the revelation of those secrets lead to defections and a breakdown in moral it seems that the secrecy was necessary to maintain leadership during a crucial period.

So wasn't it the right call to keep those secrets?

He did. He learned it was better to be persona non grata than to let everyone die.

>he's a hypocrite for not doing bad things!
>he's a hypocrite for -willing- to do bad things for a benevolent goal

make up your mind.

cyclops has others do his bidding and takes responsibility. essentially what you just said is that beast is unwilling to get his hands dirty but he did just that by asking what might have to be down from villains

read up on the history of the CIA and you tell me

but he wasn't persona non grata. beast was persona non grata, hence uncanny 600. cyclops and xavier were treated differently.

I miss cat beast

What about the recruiting of evil and unethical people to do those horrible things?
That seems like a bad (wrong) thing that Hank did.
Had he just sucked it up and done the distasteful things himself at least he would stop when the objective was achieved, those evil mad scientists aren't in it for saving lives. When they find the cure they'll just keep experimenting in all those unethical ways that Hank just requested they start doing.

He would have actually been more responsible and less immoral to have just done the evil deeds himself.

This shit here is why I quit X-Men comics back in 2013. No regrets about it, either.

Same here.

Hypocrisy means saying one thing and doing another. Initiating that "bad things" be done by others so as to not do "bad things" yourself is a hypocrisy.
Those bad things are done either way, and either way Hank has instigated them, but Hank is pretending that he's not as evil as the people he's hiring to do them. That's the hypocrisy.
Covert government action wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't an absolute necessity to maintain viability.

Does beast have any buddies left at all besides the Inhumans?

>the recruiting of evil and unethical people to do those horrible things?

what horrible things? it wasn't even spelled out.

keep in mind, beast is a doctor. you do know that unfortunately, many medical studies mean experimentation on mice and rats? that's not exactly ethical to cause suffering to kill other creatures on purpose to find out some discovery, but that's what's had to happen in many cases. doctors not this, their work is atop a metaphorical mountain of dead things because data has to be collected before SOP can be established. it is likely that the villains he's contacting have done experiments that collected data that is not available in modern medical texts because they have used different kinds of technology, different subjects, different methods, and different results.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage#Ethical_implications

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2564046/

Beast is not moral though. It is shown time and time again in the X-Lore that he knows when bad decisions are necessary. Hell, he gave Legacy Virus patients to Sinister who he knew would torture them with his experiments because Hank did not want to take responsibility.

Hank is the opposite of Cyclops in that when he sees a problem, he knows whether extreme solutions are required. However unlike Scott, Hank does not want to take responsibility. Instead, he finds way to avoid taking responsibility or being judged.

It is more amoral in my mind to do nothing when you know what must be done but are unprepared to save lives because it means that you are going to be judged for it.

Scott on the other hand knew what had to be done. He didn't do the whole Logan shtick of 'I'm going to kill people, but they had it coming'. Nor did he allow himself to be governed by his emotions. Instead, he accepted what the situation had and what he needed to do to ensure that the greatest number of people survived. He owned up to and accepted that was his job.

>regime change actions, death squads, drug running, proxy militias, coups, ousting democratically elected leaders, assassination, puppet dictatorships are all "necessary"

bullshit. the u.s. has been plenty viable without meddling in other countries, and if it isn't, then what does that tell you about capitalism?

> Hell, he gave Legacy Virus patients to Sinister who he knew would torture them with his experiments because Hank did not want to take responsibility.

you've said this before. the patient you speak of benefited from sinister's care. don't fucking lie to me.

>Scott on the other hand knew what had to be done.
actually no he didn't. he had faith, which is the opposite of knowing, and it was a gamble.

>Nor did he allow himself to be governed by his emotions
pretty sure allowing emma to manipulate him in to not having a conversation with beast about secrets was proof enough that he was a little bitch

> Hank does not want to take responsibility. Instead, he finds way to avoid taking responsibility or being judged.

what is hank responsible for?

*doctors know this*

>governed by his emotions

Here, here.

>back in 2013

back in my day there were only 150 pokemon

I'm still reading comics, just not from Marvel or DC.

>and if it isn't, then what does that tell you about capitalism?

The CIA doesn't give a shit about economics, only power. The CIA's "plan" is to kill people and if that causes problems they'll kill more people. They might claim to have some ideals they defend but you can tell by their actions they don't give a fuck as long as the USA is top dog. If the CIA decided that the best way to keep the USA (and therefore themselves) on top was to install a communist dictatorship they would do it.

It's hear, hear you fucking moron.

that's good. there's a lot outside of the big two.

Remember when Beast ruined Nightcrawler's funeral?

power is derived from economics, buddy. that's why wars are waged. there has never been a holy war or ideological war, it has always been over resources.

>they don't give a fuck
exactly. they're violent thugs and fascists

>if the cia decided to to keep usa on top was to install a communist dictatorship they would do it

you're half right. the idea was to call it communism in name only, so that people would perceive it as evil

>fucking moron

looks like you're getting butthurt. maybe you should take my advice. as i've already said, you should read the history of the CIA if you like secrets so much. now that we have the internet, you can look it up on wikipedia.

Ask me if I give a shit.

remember when nightcrawler found out about the x-men killing people and told cyclops that he was going to have a conversation, but that never happened because nightcrawler fucking died, and beast fucking called it?

Oh, I know! I wish more people would venture outside of the big two.

First of all: The Inhumans aren't exactly his buddies.

Hank has all the same number of friends that he's always had, in the X-Men and Avengers, he's just continuously pissed them all off with his irresponsible behavior, and if he was willing to sit through a lecture, acknowledge and apologize for what he's done, and stop doing all this obviously wrong stuff they would forgive him.
But the problem is that Hank doesn't admit that he's done anything wrong, he's recently become too arrogant to concede anything to what he considers lesser minds.

Yup.

Remember when Nightcrawler came back to life and he didn't have any problem with Scott and hated how hypocritical Logan and Beast were?

>storm's baseless accusation because everyone agreed to let the O5 stay and when magneto said "send them back" cyclops said it didn't matter

lol that's from uncanny 600, where nightcrawler has two lines, one of which is complaining about beast talking about scott summers when nightcrawler never talked to scott summers about the x-men killing people.

because nightcrawler died

>you've said this before. the patient you speak of benefited from sinister's care. don't fucking lie to me.
One, didn't say it beforehand. All my posts in this thread have been are this . Secondly, Beast gave someone up to Sinister. You know. A man who is one of the most evil X-Villains there is. The chances of that patient being unharmed were almost non-existent. Hank knew this. However, he was more concerned with the results with Sinister would get on the Legacy Virus than the victim's safety. He just didn't want to be the one who pulled the trigger.

>actually no he didn't. he had faith, which is the opposite of knowing, and it was a gamble.
Yeah, he had faith in Hope, but Scott also knew the path that mutants had to take in order to ensure that they could continue existing. Yes, Hope was a gamble, but she was the only lead they really had.

>pretty sure allowing emma to manipulate him in to not having a conversation with beast about secrets was proof enough that he was a little bitch
As I said previously, Scott is a master of emotional suppression. He's been doing it since he first got his mutation. The whole Emma not wanting to talk about Hank just helped to confirm his confirmation bias.

>what is hank responsible for?
Let's see. Recently... allowing Wolverine's hypocrisy to go unchallenged and unnoticed, despite the fact that the whole 'killing people' was why he left Scott. Blaming all his problems on Scott, nor listening to any of what Scott had to say, something even the rest of the X-Men called him out on. Lying and spreading of misinformation to the Avengers and his fellow X-Men. Leaving the Avengers after they attacked Utopia, trying to prevent himself from taking any responsibility despite the fact that he had been one of the people desperate to see Scott punished. The 05 coming to 616, destroying entire worlds, an act which disgusted in the Watcher. The Illuminati stuff. I can go on, but I think I'll stop for now.

you got a pic?

he sure had a problem before he died, user.

>beast gave someone up to sinister

beast was not the leader at the time. iceman and i think rogue were there too

the mutant that went with sinister benefited from sinister's studies

>faith

>wolverine's hypocrisy
what hypocrisy could that be? following cyclops' orders?

>lying and spreading misinformation
when did that ever happen?

>blaming all his problems on scott
when did that ever happen?

>nor listening to what any of what scott had to say
how could he listen to something that scott was unwilling to tell him?

>desperate to see scott punished
well, you know, he did put the x-men on an island where they could be easily surrounded and got nightcrawler killed, and he did get away with keeping secrets even though xavier had done the same thing and scott had used that fact to start leading

>disgusted the watcher
fuck the watcher. no one fucking cares about the damned watcher. the watcher has interfered with things before, so he's a hypocrite too.

>the illuminati stuff
yeah it helps for the mutants to have someone advocate for them with humans. participation is a thing and he was an avenger. collaboration doesn't make someone a traitor

Try to be less of a mindless off-topic troll and people will take your ignorance as a cry for enlightenment, then maybe someone will respond as if you had tried to make an actual point.

tl;dr: stop being an idiot

Fuck you for thinking that Kurt is vindictive.

>mindless off topic

yo dawg, this is a thread about x-men. that's what i just did

>kurt is vindictive
i never said that. maybe the writers are vindictive and they're using nightcrawler which also tarnishes nightcrawler's character

you got a pic?

he had a problem with the killing that cyclops was ordering before he died.

>beast gave someone up to sinister
He literally told everyone to stand down and let Sinister take them because Sinister had no morals about testing. It doesn't matter that she survived. The act was amoral.

>what hypocrisy could that be? following cyclops' orders?
Nope. Leading X-Force after Scott said that there was no longer any need for it. Wolverine being willing to kill, endangering children, despite him stating that Cyclops was a monster for doing the same thing

>lying and spreading misinformation
The whole Second Coming, where he told the X-Men about X-Force in the worse possible way. Also, allowing and backing up Wolverine's statements about the Phoenix.

>blaming all his problems on scott
Read everything from X-Force onwards. He blames Cyclops for his torture at Osborn's hands, blames Cyclops for forcing him into uncomfortable positions. If there is a problem, Hank will blame Scott for it.

>nor listening to what any of what scott had to say
When Scott did try and talk, Hank just walks away. Your pic pretty much shows that.

>well, you know, he did put the x-men on an island where they could be easily surrounded and got nightcrawler killed, and he did get away with keeping secrets even though xavier had done the same thing and scott had used that fact to start leading
Utopia was because the fanatics were forcing the US to try and make being a mutant illegal and have permission to kill them. As for Nightcrawler being killed, hate to say this. It could have been worse. They were being attacked by machines whose sole purpose was to kill. The fact that casualties were fairly low, objectively is a miracle.

>fuck the watcher. no one fucking cares about the damned watcher. the watcher has interfered with things before, so he's a hypocrite too.
The O5 serve no purpose other than Beast raising a middle finger at Cyclops.

Also, last point. You do know what they did right? Oh, probably not because it doesn't seem you read comics.

>he told everyone to stand down

no, he explained to them that sinister could help her, and sinister did in fact help her

>it doesn't matter that she survived

it most certainly does

>leading x-force after scott said there was no longer any need for it
i didn't remember that

>endangering children
yeah and he changed his tune by leaving and taking mutants back to to westchester and told x-23 she was no longer going to be a combatant

>backing up wolverine's statements about phoenix
what were those statements? that it could kill people? didn't it kill a whole planet?

>blames cyclops for his torture at osborn's hands
he needed someone to talk to and iceman threw it in his face.

>forcing him in to uncomfortable positions
captain america came to westchester asking about cyclops. that means the next step was S.H.E.I.L.D. breathing down his and the school's neck. Students can't fight the Avengers

>when scott did try and talk, hank just walks away
false. beast confronted cyclops many times and never divulged what was going on. that's what a bitch cyclops is. beast had to find out from wolverine

>the O5 serve no purpose
well younger beast did save older beast's life, so there's that

>you know what they did?
who is they?

Read WATXM along with Uncanny X-Force and All-New X-Men. If you don't think that Beast is a raging hypocrite by the end of that, then there is something definitively wrong with you.

Also, Scott does some pretty shitty things, no denying it. But the difference is that he admits what he is and accepts it, trying to better all the while. Meanwhile Beast has no self-awareness and condemns actions that he himself either does or allows to occur.

>Beast has no self-awareness and condemns actions that he himself either does or allows to occur.

i guess you're right. i guess beast could have blown the whistle on cyclops and narked to the avengers on him. i mean after all, people need reasons to call him a race traitor, right?