This is the Fincher's best

This is the Fincher's best

That's not Benjamin Button.

>mystery movie
>never reveals murderer
3/10

Please be bait

zodiac could have used some better editing

I just watched it last night actually and I agree.

Zodiac > The Social Network > Seven > Gone Girl > Girl with the Dragon Tattoo > Benjamin Button > Fight Club > The Game > Panic Room > Alien 3

I agree with top 3. After that I couldn't give a shit what order they go in.

Fight Club and Gone Girl are his best

He has 5 movies damn close to a 10/10 everybody else is a hack

Honestly I think they can fit into groupings like this

>Zodiac, Social Network, Seven
>Gone Girl, Dragon Tattoo, Benjamin Button, Fight Club
>The Game, Panic Room, Alien 3 workprint
>Alien 3

The first three are classics, the next few are pretty good to great, then some weak ones. Alien 3 theatrical is a fucking disaster. I think in general he's improved a significant amount over the years but I doubt he'll ever top Zodiac.

What did Gyllenhaal mean by this?

If we're going to categorize them like that then I'd give Gone Girl it's own one. It's clearly worse than top 3 but better than the rest of the stuff it's grouped with imo.

Odd movie desu.

Panic Room is seriously underrated. It's a solid thriller with a great cast and cute young K-Stew.

Fincher is by far one of the most overrated modern directors.

>Good Tier
Seven
Social Network

>Decent Tier
Zodiac
Gone Girl
Fight Club

>Average Tier
The Game

>Bad Tier
Benjamin Button

>Trash Tier
Panic Room
Alien 3

I haven't seen Dragon Tattoo but I doubt I'm missing much. Now that he's working on the World War Z sequel I believe his best work is behind him, and his best work wasn't great.

I only saw it once in theaters and missed the first 15 minutes due to traffic so I can't really say I'm warm enough on it to put it above the others in that tier personally.

O fuck off

It's a very cold movie and a bit convoluted in terms of the logic in it, but the argument I'd make for it is that it has higher highs and aren't really any significant flaws that hamstring the other ones (Ben Button, Fight Club, etc are good BUT...)

I think that the overall conceit of Fight Club and the way the philosophical dichotomy is handled actually makes it one of Fincher's most memorable and engaging movies. It's initially presented in such an overly juvenile and didactic way, but that's recontextualised in a brilliant. It's sad as fuck that manlets on the internet unironically look up to Tyler Durden. That reaction is part of that movie's strength, actually.

Don't engage me you filthy namefag.

Correct.

Mindhunter has been good so far but I worry that Hurdygurdy Man or Where Is My Mind won't be played at all.

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>there are people who don't see the game as the masterpiece it is
plebs, this place is loaded with plebs.

This post barely says anything at all. You realise verbosity isn't a substitute for actually having a point to make, right?

do people debate this? his other films are great but zodiac always felt like it was on another level.

also

>yfw seeing the Lake Berryessa scene first time

>Alien 3
stylish and dark, good Alien movie but not a good sequel to Aliens

>Se7en
10/10 detective story, looks great, a bit tarnished because it's copied endlessly

>The Game
his worst but still an entertaining watch

>Fight Club
the defining movie of a generation of boys

>Panic Room
laughable CGI notwithstanding, an effective thriller

>Zodiac
his best

>The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
a little conventional, a good film but feels Spielberg-y

>The Social Network
good score, good acting

>TGWTDT
haven't seen

>Gone Girl
The Social Network if it actually had an interesting story

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>Alien 3: stylish and

stopped reading there

>blatantly ignored the parts of the post where I talked about the core themes of the movie and how this accidentally created a legion of IRL fanatics

Criticising verbosity while ignoring meaning behind it doesn't make you look like Orwell or Hemingway, it makes you look like an undergrad with bad reading comprehension.

And fuck you too. The theatrical edit is shit, but that's sort of beside the point.

I still can't believe he made Alien 3 abd Panic Room

I don't really have a favorite, but The Game is by far the worst and the only one I actually disliked.

Honestly with the workprint version of Alien 3, it was a rather solid debut that got annihilated by the studio and general production hell. The experience probably would have turned me off directing ever again if that were my first feature film.

It does get comically convoluted with that meta plot, and even the end of the movie is like a bad punch line, but it's pretty creative and well-made despite those problems. And Michael Douglas probably gives his best performance in that movie.

I do believe he said it almost made him quick making movies.

Agreed. I loved Gyllenhaal and his autism in this.

Jake-chan is so awkwardly kawaii in this movie

>blatantly ignored the parts of the post where I talked about the core themes of the movie
Do you mean the parts where you used a series of flashy adjectives with no real justification, substantiation or elaboration? You talked about how you felt the way the philosophical dichotomy was handled made it memorable, without specifying in which way you felt it was handled, or how you felt it was dichotomised, or even the kind of philosophies you felt it was presenting. What's the point of saying anything so utterly vague and flowery? In the next sentence you talk about how it is presented in an overly juvenile and didactic way, again with nothing to back that up. Then, it seems like you're about to make an actual point, but you actually cut off your halfway by accident which I can only assume is because making a point wasn't really what you were aiming to do here at all.

Then you say some people on the internet look up to a character in the movie, and again vaguely postulate that that reaction to the movie is part of it's "strength", which again is so vague and lacking in substance it seems pointless to say.

It's funny you'd compare me to an undergrad, because goddamn if your pretentious spiel doesn't read exactly like a brainlet undergrad attempting to appropriate the style of academic writing while having nothing to back it up. The very worst kind of writing.

So no, I'm not criticising you for being verbose. I'm criticising you for being verbose while saying nothing. You write like a twat, buddy.

>he tries to take his date to the place his 'friend' might end up getting shot by a serial killer

r e k t

I assumed everybody in a Finched thread already was aware of these things.

I didn't take the time to delve into my individual points, though, you're right. Sorry about that. I'm a little haggard and took it for granted that themes had been discussed to death because of its reputation.

i agree with you really are not making a cogent point, you are clearly confused yourself as you tab between this post and thesaurus.com
> an overly juvenile and didactic way, but that's recontextualised in a brilliant.
>It's sad as fuck that manlets on the internet unironically look up to Tyler Durden. That reaction is part of that movie's strength, actually.

what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>I went to college look how smart I am with my multi-syllabic word usage.
It's not that hard to understand user.

The movie is essentially about an overzealous, borderline fascistic cult leader that commands his army of goons with a strict moral/ethical code to distmantle "The Establishment". The film initially presents him as the righteous party, setting the wrongs in the world right, but it's slowly unveiled that his view of the world is twisted, nihilistic, and kind of hypocritical. And none of the people who follow him question these things because he's seen as some sort of brilliant anarchist.

And there are a lot of people who seem to unironically buy into his vision of the world despite the fact that by the end of the film he's unhinged and aimless in his pursuits, effectively becoming something like a Saturday morning cartoon villain where he achieves his goal by blowing up buildings to get his way. It's not like it was anyone's intention to get this specific reaction, but I've personally talked to people who unironically behave like the cult in the movie.

I deserve that for my snide "undergrad" comment.

I fell asleep on 5 or 6 separate occasions trying to get through this a couple months ago. It's shit.

wow thats pretty deep, i'm sorry for questioning you. do you think the scene where they are like 'in death he has a name' was the cult members finding meaning in something where there wasn't any meaning, just blindly trying to justify their life choices, almost the same way the narrator tried to find meaning or order in his previous life through materialism, maybe they all have a completely superficial understanding of the world and their place in it. weird how they all rejected the societal norms set by 'the establishment 'and embraced 'anarchy' and in doing so they were actually embracing 'the establishment' and their brand of 'anarchy' was the polar opposite of real anarchy.

one thing to factor in with your thesis is that the narrator is unreliable so his point of view, his reasoning, or his explanations can't be trusted in anyway and should be completely disregarded.

on a semi related note you should consider looking into first follower theory to better understand scenes like 'in death he has a name' or even the formulation of fight club.

I've actually never heard of first follower theory, but I'm guessing that probably has something to do with Tyler's/The Narrator's relationship with one another.

I do think we get to a point where he becomes more sane because he sheds himself of Tyler's influence/control over him and combats all of the problems he was suffering through earlier in the story. There's a big cathartic element to how the film progresses, up to and including the ending. Like, a lot of people have likened it to it being a story about masculine identity and self-discovery (which is bolstered by Tyler's speech about them "being a generation of men raised by women" who have no war to fight); and that discovery and aggression becomes personified through Tyler, who really has no end goal and no ability at introspection. That's the juvenile aspect I was talking about. He lacks control, constructs a way to gain it back, and then realises that trading in one extreme for another is total bullshit.

narrators sanity is irrelevant , his insanity just pushed him to actually do something about his impotence. the catharsis wasn't him regaining his sanity it was him realizing that you don't need to burn the world down around you if you are broken on the inside.

That's not the Social network

I think confronting that requires sanity, though. What's insane is running from who you are, or building barriers around you to shield you from reality. He eventually discards all of that and accepts responsibility instead of blaming his upbringing, job, or society.

this might already be the worst thread ive ever seen

capeshit, generals, porn spamming, and other shitty one offs (burn off quickly) are merely bad, and even the worser tier usually take more time and are lower energy

this is fucking incredible

yes, literally everything durden said was le CRAZY and insane, the narrator had a perfect life before!