Alright Sup Forums, here's the deal- My philosophy class has turned into a complete shitshow, since through a couple misunderstandings and one smartass, next week we're slated to have an inter classroom debate on the morality of homosexuality. No one else wanted to be the first to say they'd argue against it so I went for it. Was holding out hope someone around here might have some real shocking shit I can put up during opening statements, like those screenshots of the bugchasing forums or the fuckers drugging their sons, or failing that, something like a visually pleasing infographic on AIDS stats among the gay community.
Alright Sup Forums, here's the deal- My philosophy class has turned into a complete shitshow...
Parker James
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
infowars.com
youtube.com
youtube.com
nationalvanguard.org
youtube.com
youtube.com
en.wikipedia.org
rt.com
youtube.com
youtube.com
en.wikipedia.org
pastebin.com
adherents.com
cdc.gov
twitter.com
Jackson Ramirez
Bump. Good luck, user.
Elijah Johnson
you fucked yourself
Jack Williams
Social suicide if you go that route. Gl hf
Christopher Stewart
Make us proud user
Jose Harris
Maybe a bit, but screw it, if they haven't bounced me from the school yet, I reckon I'm in the clear.
I'm only here for one more semester and I don't really chum it up on campus much.
Jose Green
Bring up the the high suicide rate among homosexuals, and use that to argue for them being inherently more mentally unstable.
Owen Gutierrez
My only issue with homosexuality is it's degenerate footprint on the public image of your people.
But there's no rule that gay's need to be flamboyant so it's really a bad argument at the end of the day.
Aiden Mitchell
wont help you much i guess but you could look up volker beck (green party/germany), a politician who advocates gay-rights in germany and europe. he was arrested, tried and found guilty 2 times, for having sex with an underage boy and buying meth, yet is still allowed to keep his mandate in bundestag (had to give up is position in the jewish community tho, go figure). He also propagates early sexual education for children and implementation of homosexual propaganda in said education, the green party is known for their want to liberalize sex with children, some of their members even proclaim that early sexual contacts for children can be empowering and beniffiting.
John Green
Definitely an angle I was going to go after.
Anthony Hughes
Bring up different social influences, how different upbringings create faggots etc.
Logan Sanders
Heres some inspiration OP, good luck
youtube.com
Hudson Long
Sexuality is not a moral issue user. If this smartass is anything like I'm picturing this will be his opening statement too. Even if you can make the case that it is immoral, he'll just switch tactics to make the case that there is no objective morality and all you're expressing is your opinion, and that since your opinion was at one point that of the majority you're part of a system of oppression.
You should have known better desu lad. Is your course not full of the most nauseating pseudo-intellectual /lit/fags going?
Cameron Thompson
I'm on my phone so don't have sources for you but I can give you some pointers.
Like other anons pointed out, you pretty much fucked yourself. But now it's time to mitigate damage to yourself and maximise damage do the degens.
Fact. A child needs a male and a female figure in a family, while growing up, to grow up properly. There has been studies on this. Show em some stats from those. Children in a same sex, house will have psychological and social problems.
You need to not pinpoint homos but say any format other than mom and dad, in a family is problematic for a child. An home cunts are just one such system. That will save u some face later, as u seem to be not directly against homos.
Ayden Roberts
Caleb Baker
Their sexuality isn't a moral issue, but shit these cunts then get up to with it is. Like adopting baby etc.
Xavier Martin
Google "kids at gay pride parades". Will surely go to useful shocking articles and have some pics at those degenerate-fests
Grayson Hernandez
Got to love most of the audience walking out :D
Jeremiah Long
I was going to see about spinning it not as an objective morality (since I've already been inundated with "SUBJECTIVE" in the past) but see about banking on their faux-altruistic morals- Something to the effect of, "if you truly want to uplift and help those around you, you would not validate this lifestyle-" Work in progress, framework is there but need to spackle over some of the cracks. Cover my ass and whatnot.
Anthony Clark
Is that even legal (yet)?
Alexander Butler
Argue that homosexuality is not synonymous with acting like a disgusting person.
Make people think about why the BDSM community marches with the LGBT. Make people realize that you can accept homosexuality while despising people who act flamboyant, annoying and unreasonably promiscuous.
Argue that homosexuality is not inherently bad but the depiction society has of homosexuals and the stereotypes that both the left and the right and the gay community themselves attach to homosexuals is a legitimate problem in society. Then go on to mention AIDS rates, pedophilia rates, POZ and bug chasing, show pictures of kids at gay pride parades being kissed.
Gavin Lewis
That would be good as something of a subpoint, but child raising wasn't so much the primary concern. It'll probably come up, but I don't wanna put all my eggs in one basket in case that particular point isn't of interest to many folks.
Nicholas Jackson
Gay men average something like 1000 sexual partners in their life where straights average like 7. They're also 60 times more likely to have HIV. Lesbian women have the highest rate for domestic abuse.
Go for it. It's not social suicide. I'm openly anti-gay and even people with gay family members still consider me a friend.
Lincoln Allen
Connor Adams
Like this.?
Noah Rogers
Oh and if you're allowed visual aids(heh) then bring that video of the little boy twerking for the gays at a parade while they all cheer and one tries to openly, in public, in front of a camera, grind on the child.
Jack Reed
Yeah, that was one I recall seeing.
David Howard
Play them some of Common Filth's videos like Tumblristas
Bentley Lewis
>be gay and read that
Okay first question, why the fuck is your philosophy class talking about that shit? Predeterminism v. Free Will would be MUCH more fitting for a 102 class
Tyler Rodriguez
i found this funny because of their reactions but it wasnt really jokes as far as i can tell
Dylan Baker
Homosexuals Are Normalizing Pedophilia
nationalvanguard.org
Owen Carter
Nicholas Turner
>first question
>only asks one question
You queers are so fucking retarded.
Cooper Moore
this
Austin Ramirez
They willingly want to get HIV
youtube.com
Brandon Green
en.wikipedia.org
>"If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world"
Wyatt White
I got lazy sorry
Jonathan Turner
Or arguments on the existence of God.
Carter Lewis
this video can easily be beaten, there are tons of straight orgies. Its not a gay thing, There was one porno, I think it was czech where random guys whit no condoms fucked prostitutes in one room, like pay and fuck. The prostitutes where in walls, only their pussy where on display. So yeah check mate homophob.
Cameron Barnes
Don't forget to wear your MAGA hat, even if it's only for the fuck of it.
Point out that Russia has banned gay adoptions since the case of the Russian kid raped for years by his adoptive "dads"
rt.com
And of course, check this out and just replicate it in front of the class word by word ,starting at4.40min;
youtube.com
Be nice if you could record the whole thing.
Blake Edwards
link?
James Peterson
The bible thumping really wouldn't fly even on my bumfuck nowhere campus.
Predeterminism v. Free Will was covered in the 101 section. And it went something like this;
>prof wants us to have a healthy dialogue like ye olde Greek forums and would like it to be on something culturally relevant and meaningful today
>dude looks like a lady person who always likes to bring up gay shit of some variety pipes up "how about LGBTQ and homosexuality?"
>left too much of a pause and my irreverent forestry major friend pipes up "And how wrong it is, correct?"
>queue up *GASP* and someone across the room asks him "Are YOU gonna argue that?"
>Whereupon I, in my infinite wisdom said, "Hell, I'll argue it, if it's all the same to everyone else."
>standstill where bluffs have been called and then someone else asks if we're even allowed to debate this
>prof cannot be assed and says as long as it doesn't come down to personal attacks or violence is implicated against either party, he doesn't give a shit
Shitshow.
Cooper Bell
It's just a Czech porno. Google something similar to what he wrote and you should find it. It's still nowhere near as bad as bugchasing but I'm sure the fag already knows that.
Landon Cox
Based forestry bro. But what the hell is he doing in a Philosophy class?
Jayden Martinez
Either part of his gen ed or it was swindled into counting as one of his necessary electives, I'm not entirely privy.
Xavier Long
The only way to save yourself is to go full Catholic and cite natural law arguments. You're pretty much fucked if you try creating anything based on arguments besides those. Utilitarianism, Kantian ethics, and the Greeks really don't have shit for you. Don't be autistic and think you can bring facts and figures into this debate (e.g. durghh faggots have AIDS and use drugs). It's philosophy class, so you have to keep it abstract. Use the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's article on homosexuality and the Vatican's arguments. You're going to lose, in the eyes of your 19 year old retarded class mates, but you can actually make good arguments that your professor will respect. Most non-tard philosophy majors like contrarians, so it won't be too hard to score prof points.
Brody Kelly
Gas the fags
Alexander Sanders
>So yeah check mate homophob.
some of my good friends are the gays :^)
>There was one porno
>one
and there was a gay version of this same thing.
tbH, I don't really care but if you are looking at the amount of degeneracy... the fact that a group that represents less than 4% of the population generates the sheer amount of porn that they do is quite astounding. And you're also looking at this small 4% being responsible for a very high amount of STI numbers.
My biggest beef is the gays turned Capt. Picard
youtube.com
Brayden Morgan
wtf is that picture
Jaxon Ortiz
Obviously the pure and innocent interaction between child and man's best friend, duh- Don't you know a puppy when you see one.
Parker Williams
Remind them that Matthew Shepherd was killed by his gay partner/drug dealer.
Adrian Torres
Could you not go with a utilitarian/ aids angle?
Jonathan Nelson
you are literally human garbage. 6 Roman Catholics, count 'em, 6 on the U.S. Supreme Court for the Obergfell decision, an overwhelming majority, and they wouldn't lift a finger to preserve the sanctity of marriage. Stop lying you fagit papist freak. You are worse than Jews, with your set the world on fire so you can put out the flames and be a hero mentality, you slime.
Benjamin Gonzalez
He's talking about actual Catholics, not American cafeteria Catholics.
Jaxson Ward
Those are hoaxes. People trolling. You'll be laughed out of the room if you use that.
Also, if you really want to hide your power level, and people give you shit for taking this stance, just tell them it was because no one was willing to step up and it can often be an interesting experience arguing for a position you personally don't support.
It's is a class after all, the point is to learn. No point in not challenging yourself, and sticking to the known.
Basically, just say you're playing Devil's Advocate because, well, somebody has too.
Daniel Diaz
I would argue that while the tendency to be attracted to men is not wrong, those with hmosexual tendencies have a moral obligation to abstain from homosexually sexual and social activity. Then provide reasons why it is advantageous for them to abstain:
Sexual:
propogation of aids
other health issues
Social:
evolutionary advantage of heterosexual mating rituals
Andrew Walker
Is debating about homosexuality philosophy?
Noah Young
I feel like I should elaborate more.
Set the whole argument up as a moral imperative for homosexuals to abstain from sexual and social activity. To do this you will have to establish that inborn traits can burden someone with a moral imperative. If a child is born with HIV, it is his moral imperative to abstain from intercourse if he lives to that age.
So set up two separate arguments the sexual dangers of homosexuality and the social dangers of homosexuality. Make sure that you do not blame the homosexual for them, but argue that they are burdened with these dangers and it is their moral responsibility to handle their burden properly. Make them tragic heroes born with a terrible load to carry.
Justin Clark
Look deepre into the sources given in this image, they should give you some valid stats and reasons for the argument.
Robert Parker
I am an unattractive man.
I want to fuck attractive men.
Can I universalize this?
Well, if everyone fucked attractive members of the same sex, you'd run out of attractive members of the same sex to fuck. As an unattractive man, I would be left out.
Therefore, homosexually is only morally permissable if I fuck ugly men, but then there's no point.
Oliver Ramirez
wew lad you fucked up
no one can resist tight BOIPUCCI
youtube.com
Christian Fisher
I don't care enough about the topic to research it but how does
en.wikipedia.org
play into overall health and mental soundness if something goes awry at that stage?
maybe if you argued prenatal hormone fuckery > homosexuality, mental instabliity and damaging behaviors > ultimately something that's bad for our society
if you can say that homosexuality necessarily comes bundled with other problematic stuff because of prenatal hormone fuckery then you could say that isn't the dude-fucking itself that's the issue but the surrounding stuff
Jaxon Wilson
Don't gays get harassed a lot for being who they are? Would that not attribute to it?
Jeremiah Hughes
You could probably make something up utilitarian wise against homosexuality, but it would be a rare argument. Generally, utilitarians would probably the pleasure gained by letting fags be fags as a positive benefit. You have to remember that utilitarianism is not that different from hedonism and is a founding ideology for liberalism.
I'm not even Catholic. You're an idiot for not recognizing that judicial decisions are separate from moral decisions. The interpretation of the 14th amendment is a totally different discussion. Catholic based natural law arguments are the most common and most fleshed out philosophical arguments against homosexuality. If OP is going to debate the merits of homosexuality, then it makes sense to go to the strongest and best regarded sources.
Chase Reyes
nice trips
Liam Adams
They weren't prostitutes, they were average Czech women looking for an easy payday.
Sebastian Green
NUH UH GAYS ARE MENTALLY UNSTABLE BY NATURE DONT TRY AND REASON WITH ME YOU SJW JEW!!!
Jaxon Scott
BE SURE TO OPEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT IMMORAL OR WRONG. Otherwise you will be derailed and destroyed.
Weak:
disease
Societal shift
Strong:
Genetic legacy
Focus on the importance of legacy
Counterarguments:
>General anti-legacy;
adoptionfags and the like. build up the case of every single person in the classroom being the product of billions of years of procreative sex. Not a single person would be in that room if a single one of their millions of ancestors were gay.
Parlay this into an emotional stab at the miracle of life and existence. any arguments against this can be deflected by claiming that they wouldn't even be able to argue if what you claimed is untrue.
>Genetic inevitability
The argument that every generation halves your genetic contribution. This is somewhat true, but focus on the fact that dominant genes reduce this effect and their prominence is increased over time. If you are feeling brave, comment on proper mate selection as a means to preserve your legacy.
Be sure to mention that even if "your genes" are being removed that the exact same genese can be reintroduced, further diminishing this effect.
>ONLY If you have already defeated an adoption gambit
Question whether this dilution is of importance. mention the memetic contributions of your legacy in child rearing. that your idea and principles are carried on through time.
Im bored now, but hopefully I have prevented you from being a complete failure, unlike your father has.
Jeremiah Wright
btw this argument seems to work against people with down syndrome, seeing how they're slowly disappearing
"uh it actually isn't about eugenics, it's about public health. the reason we're getting rid of people with down syndrome isn't because they're retarded and can't take care of themselves, it's because they have a bunch of heart problems and stuff. yea"
Cameron Flores
gay and trans are related. They're both some kind of sexual deviance and both are linked to higher instances of suicide and mental illness.
Ian Ward
Just say you are playing the Devils advocate, and denounce your status as a heterosexual, and say you are one of those made up sexualities that let's you be gay without having to suck any dudes off. Then proceed to rip off your clothes, revealing a rainbow banana hammock, and the words "DICK SLUT" and "CUM WHORE" written all across your body in sharpie. Then toss your collection of dildos into the audience and shout "GAY IS THE WAY!!!" End your speech with a classic "And FUCK TRUMP TOO!", and I guarantee that you will get in A in the class. Hell, they might even print you off a few sociology or humanities degrees.
Jack Clark
this is how you win
Julian Rogers
I hope this is of some use to you OP
Anthony Garcia
czechgangbang. c o m
Jaxson Lee
I WILL OVERCOME MY EARTHLY DESIRES
Dylan Ward
Debates are in 99% of the cases a waste of time. It will be just a shitshow that won't change anyone's opinion in the matter, most people can't bother to have it's views changed even if they get hit in the face multiple times with facts. Add to the equation the fact you're doing this at a college, I'll just say you baited yourself. Personally I wouldn't even bother...
Jeremiah Lewis
Came to this thread solely for this video :D
Benjamin Moore
This such an incredibly weak argument. Are gays more mentally unstable and prone to depression/illness because of liking men or because they grew up in a society telling them they are freaks/should kill themselves etc
Thomas Gomez
Not enough data to say. So it could be one or the other, or a combination of both.
Isaiah Cook
Even in the most tolerant societies, like Sweden, gays still have mental issues at the same rate as those in less tolerant societies.
James Clark
When was the last time you actually heard of a gay person being discriminated against?
In a first world country btw
Aiden King
MUH CAKE
Mason Johnson
I've got some stuff saved for this kinda argument
Liam Lewis
this. it's a useful point to bring up as long as you acknowledge the idea of minority stress and stuff
William Rodriguez
Go for the angle of it being symptomatic of some psychological issues, and if they retort with that being because of our homophobic society just show the same statistics from more gay-friendly nations. Also show stats of other "oppressed minorities" that aren't at higher risk for mental health issues.
Quote studies on the sexuality of twins to argue it as non-genetic, remember not long ago there being a larger study on that where if one twin was gay the other one was still most likely going to be straight.
Show how common other types of sexual perversion is with homosexuals to argue against it being an orientation, and instead just a part of a whole slew of perversion born from mental trauma.
Steal some stuff from Sam Hyde.
Realize that most of these peoples beliefs were not the result of intense meditation and philosophizing, but some stupid emotional shit.
Debating, especially public like this, is more about charisma than argument. Watch some great debaters on YouTube and try to ape them.
Nicholas Richardson
probably already covered but whatever
James Richardson
some stuff by other anons for the really brave
Kevin Jenkins
also got these 2 news things.
I haven't verified them though, and this wouldn't be the first time Sup Forums has posted a fake
Adrian Moore
and that's the last of what I have saved
Carter Russell
>"how about LGBTQ and homosexuality?"
You could argue the following
>Why is infidelity and casual sex so predominant in the homosexual community
>Why is pederasty so common in the homosexual community.
>Why do transgendered people have such a high suicide rate after post-op surgery, and how it can be linked to body dysmorphia disorder
>Why we shouldn't pay for a transgendered person's elective surgery.
Most of all
>Talk about normalization in sexuality; how we look at things that aren't necessarily inherently bad in the short term, but how it can be bad in the long term.
When they say; "Well, other animals can have homosexual traits", be sure to remind them of:
>Most animals procreate for the sake of reproduction
>Animals that seek out pleasure sex are usually bisexual in nature, but will pass on traits with the opposite sex
>The vast majority of animals do not get sex changes; and the ones that do have that options are hermaphrodites
Robert Moore
All I can say it to try to keep it on topic to just Homosexuality and like any debate, demand time for disclosing arguments and time for people to respond so you aren't interrupted.
The Left likes to throw in "and what about trans? what about gender fluid people? what about.." ect. Its a tactic where they overwhelm you with their version of logic, and if you are not quick enough to respond, they will negate anything further you have to say.
Jayden Sanchez
Unlike some of the faggots here, this is actually true. However, he can still use the fact that gays were in the DSM and considered a mental illness at point and link it to its biological impression on the brain similar to XY example.
He is gonna lose regardless.
Benjamin Myers
your position is indefensible
screaming "degeneracy!" isn't going to work there
Robert Collins
Are studies form the 90s even relevant anymore? Those stats probably came form the 80s or before.
Owen Taylor
>"Well, other animals can have homosexual traits"
This one is going to come up. That's why you never say that homosexuality is unnatural. Having said that, they'll bring it up anyway, but just shut it down with a simple "so is rape and murder and cannibalism". They'll get all buttflustered and accuse you of equating homosexuality with rape and murder, but you just shrug and repeat that all of those are found in nature and that was the argument he presented.
>Debating, especially public like this, is more about charisma than argument
This is by far the most important point. It's so fucking easy to convince people of anything if you've got even the slightest bit of charisma in your body.
Noah Reed
Not as good as present of course, but I don't have any reason to believe gays have gotten better since then.
Mason Hall
You need to get your facts ready on promiscuity, STDs, and attitudes toward rule-breaking/cheating. Many gays are perfectly fine, well adjusted individuals. By the way, those are the ones who get married. But there's also a substantial number who do stuff that heteros don't do. That's how you get to stats like the average number of sex partners is in the hundreds, bugchasing, STD prevalence, etc.
Kevin Peterson
surprised no one posted this already
cdc.gov
Jayden Nguyen
fall back on this. if anything, open up with this too.