Prevents possible nuclear war and creates a peaceful, stable, future

>Prevents possible nuclear war and creates a peaceful, stable, future
>Sacrifices two million lives to achieve this

Was Ozymandias right?

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>creates a peaceful, stable, future
>implying

No, because the world just continues to get more and more populated, leading to wars over resources.

>prevents a possible immediate nuclear war by ensuring a future nuclear war

>stable
lol no

No, because the peace that was achieved was a fake peace.

According to the theme Alan Moore was trying to convey in Watchmen, yes. Rorschach was in the wrong, while Ozymandias was right.

>literally named Ozymandias

You tell me.

Alan Moore's Watchmen was a deconstruction of traditional DC Superhero comic tropes and values. In the case of Watchmen, it doesn't matter if the peace is "fake" all that matters is nuclear war is averted and billions of people are saved. The ends justify the means.

Yes. What is two million lives when the fate of 8 billion lives are at stake? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

>Named after a poem dealing with the fleeting nature of power, society, and human life, and the impossibility of seeing into the future.

>"Do you think Ozymandias will maintain power, society, and human life because he thinks he can see into the future?"

He did a good thing in an extremely fucked up way, which was better than most of the heroes who did nothing. We can forgive Rorsharch, Dan and Laurie for doing nothing because they're basically just people at the end of the day, but John was omnipotent and Comedian had information and connections, plus actually fucking discovered Adrian's scheme, and chose to do nothing.

Ozymandias is the hero of Watchmen, for better or worse, he did SOMETHING.

Of course not. He killed two million people just for a temporary band-aid.

> I'll take the Trolley Dilemma for 500, Alex

No, his solution is just a temporary reprive. Sooner or later, probably sooner with Rorschach's diary in play, the world is going to figure out they were lied too then we right back where we started

Alexander was considered a genius for solving the Gordian knot.
But he never solved the knot. He destroyed it.

what's the difference between what he did and a limited nuclear exchange that kills two million?

what guarantees did his methodology lay down that those two million dead would prevent future lives being lost in nuclear war, or conflict between superpowers?

the world that he lived in was radically different from ours in one key respect: there was no proxy war between the US and USSR, because when Vietnam went live (and presumably all the other wars that spiraled from it thanks to the US fear of the 'domino theory'), Dr Manhattan stepped in and ended it with his godlike powers

Dr Manhattan was not only denounced by the US (as part of Ozymandias' plan) but has left that world entirely, and the other superheroes - who were pretty much ineffectual - are all gone as well

so

there's nothing preventing a Vietnam-style conflict (which, not having fought Vietnam, the US of that world is unprepared for) and nothing preventing nuclear war, whereas before you at least had Dr Manhattan, the immortal, unkillable, but a little unreliable asset

not to mention the violent human nature

>a peaceful, stable, future

No he didn't. Did you even read the comic or are you just memeing?

Ozymandias's plan is as naive as the people who thought the fall of the USSR meant the end of history

How would Ozymandias's plan stop a possible conflict with a suicidal death cult? What if something more destructive than a nuclear weapon is invented?

The ending, like the entirety of Watchmen, and unlike the narrative tropes of cape fiction that Watchmen was actively subverting, doesn't have a clear right and wrong answer.

And the key is right here, pic related.

There's no end to the story. There's no master plan that just fixes the world. The problems of today are solved, but they may have consequences, and in time new threats will arise and, eventually, this achievement will fade and be forgotten. Much like Ozymandias's namesake. There is no climax, there is no happily ever after.

Did he do the "right" thing? Is killing all those innocent people to bring an inevitably temporary peace better than the alternative? Is he wrong, for committing mass murder? Is it all meaningless, because it will be lost in time? Or is the argument itself meaningless, because Ozy was following a pre-determined sequence of events and was destined to make those same choices?

In contrast to most hero stories, the good guys don't win and the bad guys don't lose. There is no right answer. There can never be.

WOOPS FORGOT MY PIC

Not really, because he really only created a stop-gap measure, and worse his measure still encourages stockpiling weaponry, in this case for a non-existent foe. Eventually earth will move on from the alien threat when it fails to materialize, and war will resume. Unless serious political changes are made, the Cold War is just on pause.

Manhatham was the only good guy, too bad he became an autist.

>Rorshach was the only good guy

ftfy

Leave it to Moore to accidentally make the strawman of what he hates correct

Rorshach was also a good guy but he was a total dick about it. Also anger issues.

Humanity is not retarded enough to destroy itself. In the real aworld we were in worst situations.

He misjudged people.

possible homosexual

must investigate further

in 1986, the global population was barely 5 billion.

>Manhatham was the only good guy

He was a massive asshole

he could have magically unfucked all wrongs in the world but he ran off to Mars like a big fat pussy and then let Adrian get away with the biggest terrorist act ever

I don't know, but he does seem keen on ruining Superbro.

without Adrian's machinations, MAnhattan wouldn't have run off to Mars. And him out of the picture was what triggered the Ruskies newfound aggression and possible threat of war.

So he essentially created the problem that he made a temporary solution to.

This scene is my favorite part of the book. I just love that it's the one time in the whole story where Adrian shows actual doubt in himself. I was annoyed when they didn't put it in the movie.

Ozy was a bitch. He tries justifying killing millions, without any repercussions like he's holier than thou but in the end he's just another terrorist.

Admittedly, it was stated in the book that eventually the Russians would've launched there nukes anyways, and Manhattan wouldn't be able stop them all.

His entire plan depended on communists showing goodwill and restraint.

It was doomed from the start.

It's heavily implied that his vision of a world united by fear is tainted by the truthful yet paranoid writings from right-wing news outlets.

He's even told flat out it was all for nothing.

Yes, if you assume the premise of the series in which Oymandias is the smartest man on Earth and thought of any possible solution and outcome,and chose this one as the best, yes.

Oymandias was right.

People apply real life logic basic, but they forget Ozy is the smartest man of the world, are you?

Plus its obvious the solution is temporal. It was only done to extend the life of human kind a few decades until they can come up with a real definitive solution. The other option was let the planet be destroyed by nukes, so yes, he was right in extending our time.

Rorschach is just a murderous madman and no one will listen to his fucking diary. He could discredit anytime he want with all his power.

fake peace > real nuclear apocalypse

In war its not about whose right its about whose left.

No one wants to hear this, but this is really just an upscaled version of the trolley problem. Ozy simply flipped the switch.

No, I don't think 2 million people is an unfair price to create an indefinite peace over an impending risk of nuclear armageddon.

>The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Jesus truly was the real human bean

Well check out Mr.Literature here.

>Was Ozymandias right?
I think the real question is, has anyone ever defined the concept of being Right more so than Ozymandias?

and of course now we see Manhattan is coming back and going to be published in more comics

>stable

Yeah right. The 'common enemy' strategy doesnt last nothing, not even a day.

Ozy did not stop the world's desire for war, he merely redirected it and that's something a lot of people seem to fail to grasp. The US and Soviet Union did say they were going to throw down their arms and let bygones be bygones, no, they declared Manhattan to be the enemy and redirected their war energies on him instead. This is why Rorashach and Night Owl shit o Ozy afterwards because what he did was in no way a real peace and it would inevitably collapse because it was built on a lie.

>kills 2 million new Yorkers to save earth from global nuclear fallout hell.

Totally worth it.

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