Lets have a good ol BvS appreciation thread

Lets have a good ol BvS appreciation thread.

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eh not this please, the jesus links are tenuous at best and most of the stuff in the superkino is outdated

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also the moby dick thing has been proven false:
screenrant.com/zack-snyder-easter-egg-batman-v-superman/

please stop


thats a good grid

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alright this page is good cause it has the painting stuff, but the jesus ones like arent that good

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No, lets have a good ol The Last Airbender appreciation thread.

It is more kino than BvS.

What was your favorite TLAB theme? Mine was the clash of the modern man with spirituality.

see like this shit, none of this is correct or helpful, this one is shit

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>Lets have a good ol BvS appreciation thread
There isn't anything worth appreciating in Batman v Superman.

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This just show that snyderfags made up and overthink most of this shit on a very dumb movie.

There is plenty to appreciate, the cinematography, how it flips The Dark Knight Returns around, Superman's whole arc, etc.

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nah, I mean of course there is going to be some overreaching when interpreting art, but if you ignore the Superkino most of the stuff is right there and obvious.


Like its fine that initially people examining the movie over thought things, but now they have to be willing to tone it back and realize what parts were mistakes.

Under Snyder, actors only are allowed to have 2 face expressions right?

Only a frown like you smelled a fart, or screaming.

the icarus/atlas stuff is pretty good, but I never bought that Superman carrying the chain was meant to be a reference to the cross.

youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

At least come up with actual criticisms

I still don't think having decent shots here and there makes up for a really lacking script

I dunno, I get the feeling Goyer doesn't like doing superhero stuff

what do you think is lacking in the script? And most of the good things in it were done by Terrio.

also most of these posts are highlighting story elements not just nice looking shots. Foreshadowing, parallels, and illusion are all parts of a story.

I agree that Goyer isn't great with dialogue, but I do think having decent shots definitely makes up for that. It's a visual medium, too. I say the same thing about badly-written comics with really good art.

Batman's arc is about him losing faith in himself and his mission. Gotham hasn't changed one bit in these last 20 years of crusade, he only managed to lose people he cared about and the attack in Metropolis showed how truly powerless he is. Batman in his depression, frustration and anger sees Superman as an extension of himself: a guy playing hero and not helping anyone. If he now sees the futility of his actions, what will happen when Superman too wake up one day feeling the same way? Would he decide to rule the world? Destroy the planet? So Batman's pretty much looking for reason to end Superman AND himself.

Remember the dream in the beginning? The bats took him into the light but it was all a lie? Batman there is talking about his life mission, about the bats giving him his life purpose after the death of his parents, and how all of it had been a big fat lie because his crusade hadn't helped anyone. Batman lost faith. With the loss of faith comes the loss of his no-kill code, comes the loss of his will to live, comes rage.

what dialogue specifically stands out to you? And dont forget Terrio re-wrote it.

Goyer wrote JSA with Johns, though.

this is some solid copy+pasta

Rewatching The Dark Knight and this tonight

Its a good night

arguable how much he actually wrote, and while I agree the goyer hate is a bit much, his throwing shade against Martian Manhunter really killed his credibility.

Was that before or after MOS?

good choices user

Sup Forums actually used "kino" to describe movies with good cinematography but shit characters and writting, full of plotholes. Basicaly pretentious garbage.

Snyderfags that were stupid to actually think that it was a good thing.

before, like way before. Before he wrote that Blade movie too iirc.

Before.

>Im projecting my own meaning

sad really that you got to try this hard to convince yourself people dont like this movie. And of course Kino is used semi ironically, but outside of file names I havent seen anyone call this movie kino in this thread. Nice false flagging.

>45 posts
>10 IPs

>people have reply to each other on imageboards and have new thoughts
film at eleven

The guy's dumping pics.

People asking why he made Doomsday, think about the creation scenes -- how he cries when examining Zod. The Greek Icarus flew too close to the sun and fell, Zod and the other Kryptonians came across the universe simply to restore their people. Yet Superman struck them down, in Lex's eyes, to cement his status as a god. He gives the genesis chamber his own DNA and weeps viewing the lethal results of Superman's righteousness. "If God is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful" Lex manically laments as he remembers the abuses of his father. So if the super man's intentions for humanity are so supremely pure that he would act as destroyer for his own race, then there is no way he will never live up to them. The largest departure from comic book Lex Luthor is that he is no longer antagonizing Superman out of jealousy, beneath it all is a despair that Superman cannot fulfill the promise he made to this world.

thanks reasonable anons

By his interaction with the ship and Zod, Lex is more abridge between 2 worlds than Superman will ever be. After Zod is reborn, Lex reaches out to embrace him. Mad scientist Lex Luthor is more a spiritualist as the ghost of Krypton arises to meet him. The worlds torn asunder by Superman, rather explicitly or implicitly, are linked by a shared experience of moral objectivism. Zod's unerring beliefs could not coexist with the Superman the same as tumultuous nature of humanity cannot. "If man won't kill God, then the devil will do it", there's double meaning: first off, Batman failed to end the Superman, but more importantly, Superman refused to give up his goodness - his godliness - viewing the underbelly of mankind. Batman's character arc in this movie is remembering that moral absolutes do still exist, then Lex's arc is attempting to prove to the world that they do as well. He never thought Superman would kill Batman. A layman would view Lex's catalog of metahuman files as brought on by paranoia. "The oldest lie in America is that power can be innocent" -- think of this of the objectivist scale, not the relativist one. These extraordinary people Lex catalogued cannot simply exist and be complacent, they factually must be like Superman as either savior or destroyer. Remember that despite aiding mankind, Prometheus was no man. Yet Lex's greatest fear is not that Olympus will succeed in stopping Prometheus - Superman has already brought down Olympus -, it's that humanity will. That necessitates the creation of Doomsday, the devil, a being rising against its destroyer. If Superman exists and is godly, then the devil must exist. If life is given to mankind by Prometheus, then anti-life must be given as well.

This, of course, perfectly ties together with the coming of Darkseid. In that deleted scene, he prays before Darkseid's church. Zack Snyder's Lex Luthor does not hate Superman. His villainy comes from believing in him the most out of anyone on the planet.

eh idk about that, I think it is all a mask for his jealousy. I mean Lex 101 is excusing your jealousy with big philosophical statements.

To me, it just goes to show how little appreciating there is to go around. Wonder why that is.

>Zack Snyder's Lex Luthor does not hate Superman. His villainy comes from believing in him the most out of anyone on the planet.

You know, I would like for this to be true but idk if there is enough evidence to support that yet. I guess we'll wait and see what JL does.

>empty metaphor appreciation thread

okay, what metaphors are empty in BvS?

Stands out to me as bad? As much as I LOVE Clark talking about doing the right thing, who matters, and what a newspaper should stand for, it was a little weird for him to be saying that stuff to Perry White as if he wasn't the editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet. Some of Perry's remarks about Clark being a nerd were dumb too. Laid it on a bit thick. All I can think of right now.

I think the movie is really good, I own it and love the shit out of it but I can recognize that it isn't perfect lol.

Well, maybe the term "empty" isn't quite accurate. It's just that their all for their own sake. They aren't subtext, they're just easter eggs. A couple paintings on the wall. a choice of music there, every movie does this stuff but apparently it's supposed to be some sort of transformative statement when Snyder does it.

sure, I just wanted to start a conversation. I think you are right that Perry does lay it down thick, but I also think Perry knows that clark is Superman (hinted at when Perry lets Lois take the copter and when he is reading the newspaper at the end), hence him laying it down extra thick.
And Perry has always seemed like a guy who could take criticisms from his staff and just keep on with his day, but I can see why it would seem out of place in the movie.

Hi Snyder intern, enjoying the rain?

Goyer managed to help James Robinson finish Starman after Archie Goodwin's death.

He gets a free pass from me forever on that alone.

They add allusions to things that happen in the plot, though.

well I disagree, I feel they all play into each other very well, and I would like the opportunity to argue my case without being vitriolic to you. Care to point to a specific one you feel highlights this problem?


If you would rather just not engage thats fine, I won't take offense.

Yeah, like every other fucking movie.

its not raining today :( tomorrow though

So?

well, not EVERY movie

I didnt know that, thats pretty rad.

So why are people treating this like it's special?

You're right, but plenty of other, better movies do it. Hell, Marvel movies do this stuff too.

Goyer is cool
Why the fuck do people, especially so called DC movie fans, seem to hate him

okay, point to a specific example of one you feel is empty in BvS. And then point to one in a Marvel movie.

because he called Martian Manhunter fans virgins

user, that version of Goyer is long gone.

>Hell, Marvel movies do this stuff too.

It made the first MCU a lot of fun.

Thats it?

He called Martian Manhunter fans virgins, called She-Hulk a slut and wrote three shitty movies.

idk outside of "look here is cap's shield" and "look, here is Hulk in the background" there really wasnt much of it.

And She-Hulk a whore made for Hulk to have babies with.

Yeah, he thinks his dumb nerd movies are way more hip than our dumb nerd movies.

thats reaching/projecting on your part

I'll admit, off the top of my head, I can't think of any particular instance of a song or a painting in the background of a Marvel movie that had something to do with the plot/story. Maybe that's because I'm hungry, or maybe it's because nobody has made a billion dumb infographics about them.

>look at this reference to a better movie XD
>its to something that is happening in this movie lol
>doesn't it make our movie better?? XD
>Don't you feel smart for getting it? lol

This kind of thing is like bait for pretentious faggots that believe that they are smarter than they really are. Most of them never whatched the referenced movies.

well its not just paintings, other movies and songs though, think of Lex's whole speech about demons coming from above and angels from below (why he turns the painting upside down). He is talking about Superman and trying to imply he is evil, and even goes out of his to make his idea true by making an "angel" out of Batman/Zod to kill Superman.
But what he says actually does end up being true in Justice League, where parademons will come from the sky and Superman will rise out of the ground.


There is more that is self contained within the movie if you want me to go on.

He said that if you know who Martian Manhunter is, you are a virgim, so he doesn't give a fuck for him.

It was basicaly an insult to most DC fans.

comicbookmovie.com/other/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-a-porn-star-also-knocks-martian-manhunter-a100521

>When Goyer was approached about adapting the character for film he harshly criticized the character, implying that Martian Manhunter was too obscure for the general audience. “How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?” After hearing some light applause and cheers, he added, “How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?”

>Goyer went on to explain: “Well, he hasn’t been rebooted but he’s a mainstay in the Justice League. He can’t be [frick]ing called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy. He can be called Manhunter…

yeah, no where there is comparing comic book movies user....

hence me saying

>Yeah, he thinks his dumb nerd movies are way more hip than our dumb nerd movies.


is reaching. Thanks for proving my point.

>most DC fans

you over estimate MM's popularity. Its an insult to DCAU babies though.

Hey, that actually reminds me of The Avengers. Remember when Tony is on the bridge of the Helicarrier and he points at that one guy who was playing Galaga?

Well, later in the movie when the sky opens up and the Chitauri pop out and Tony is flying up attacking them? What does that remind you of?

These metaphors are on the same level whether you're referencing classic mythology or classic arcade games.

That's a good one.

but its nothing like that at all, the aliens arent in ships like that and tony isnt in a ship and he doesnt just like fly at them by himself the whole avengers are there, and the aliens dont look anything like that. Im sorry it triggers you so much that a movie has allusions to its sequel that are obvious to see.


And its not like the movie even takes time to show us the galaga or anything, its literally just a joke.


Calm your tits.

>staying in a thread you dont like because you are mad someone appreciates thing in a movie

I'm glad my life has never gotten that low

A man cant do a drunk panel appearnce with being blacklisted?

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Maybe r.eddit is better for you.

BvS also has cool story layering that Avengers lacks, like how Superman's whole arc of over coming his inability to change the narrative is first shown in his fight with Batman as a microcosm of the arc's conclusion with Doomsday.


Or how Batman's whole arc is him almost becoming Lex and at the end he is literally face to face with the monster he almost became.

>wasting my life hating things is the essence of Sup Forums!!!

newfag detected

for these two. its meant to show that they have the scar in the same place, which is also where Superman stabs doomsday iirc.

>no it doesn't count because they're not ships
>its literally just a joke.
Yeah, but BvS does it seriously.

yeah and thats part of good/effective storytelling

the angel is Michael the Archangel, who Bruce sees in his dream in Martha's mausoleum.

7th Day Adventists view Michael as the pre-incarnate Christ.

So in the painting, we see Jesus in a sense casting down the dragon, Satan, with a spear

subconciously this represents Bruce's belief in the noble nature of his crusade against Superman, as he crafts the Kryptonite spear to strike down the Superman, who is cast as devil by his detractors.

But in reality, it's foreshadowing Superman striking down Doomsday