How do i not live like this

how do i not live like this

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woah

wow, so fucking deep bruh

like, capitalism is bad man

we should all just be free and have no possessions man

just be one with nature you know?

so fucking deep

Sounds comfy as fuck, why would I not want to live like that?

this much, user

Live in the forest and stick leaves and shit up your ass

>once you have something it's impossible to not have it

:O

you can easily bypass this by buying a new sofa every now and then, it's like a girlfriend, you don't have to be stuck with it for the rest of your life

Fight Club is a lot cleaner philosophically if you think of it as a patchwork of grievances from various men who all feel a bit lost. This is apparently how he researched the novel.

Last time I watched it I could hear the different voices coming through, and stopped thinking that the film has a singular direction, or much weight behind one idea. Unless that idea is an answer to everything, but I feel like Fight Club did a bad job of articulating that. It's obviously not hyper-masculinity or asceticism, but there's not much else by way of answer.

all this furniture will be lost, like tears in the rain

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fight club isn't about materialism, it's about group identity and how you can't help be part of a group no matter how hard you try not to

wtf i hate sofas now!

............................................................Made me think, but at what cost?

But you can buy a new sofa any time. Or not buy one. You can buy benches, chairs, bean bags, a couple of folded towels on the floor, etc. There's no law saying some 20-40 year old male has to have a good sofa in his apartment. And buying the right bed is essential. You spend a third of your life sleeping, you're goddamn right I'm buying the most comfortable, extravagant, decadent, consumerist mattress I can afford.

Not to mention that buying essential furniture isn't what "owns" people. It's rich kids like Chuck moving into their first place and their snobby friends wanting them to have designer shit. Nobody needs to pay $30,000 for a couch. That's fucking retarded no wonder he's so depressed about consumerism. And people who buy knick-nack shit all the time are slaves to objects. There's plenty of poor people who collect little figurines or some stupid kitsch shit for their homes. They blow money they shouldn't on objects that do nothing but comfort them. It's not that they're blowing money on a fucking refrigerator or bed. You can always spot a privileged liberal. They're so concerned for the poor but have no idea how poor people live. It always comes off as patronizing and privileged. While he's wringing his hands over the abstract ownership of furniture some poor people are sleeping on the floor and would be happy just to have some kind of comfort like a couch.

Gonna assume he's a Hilldawg supporter. Fucking neoliberals.

As a stupid teen I actually thought it was a 'life changing idea'. Then I realized you can not be a hoarder who prides himself on what he owns, but it still doesn't mean that you will never want or need any of the shit. Even Tyler uses stuff in the house he is squatting in, and sells soap to fund his activities and cells.

I also actually like society. Corrupt and imperfect as it is, the fact I'm not in the top percentage as far as wealth goes annoying, it's far better to sit here typing on the net, with a big screen tv nearby, access to medical care, all the food and water I need or want, than to be sitting on a rubble heap watching my female family members getting spit roasted by chav-raiders while I try to hold my innards in.

Don't buy furniture

Consumerism is NOT capitalism

our ancesterns have died in the worst of conditions to ensure a cozy home for their descendants. We live in the results of generations of struggle that allows us to live in a comfort that past kings didnt have.

Basic shit like central heating, working medicine, clean running water that has any temperature you want, fresh fruit all year round, all the entertainment you could ever want. Even kings in the past had worse living conditions. Why would I be so disrespectful and not live in my nest.

And now your thoughts own you.

I saw it as a story about chaos worship, how when you don't have a solid foundation to build your life around, a steady set of values, you revert to following the strongest values, the strongest personalities, around you. You want a strong man that you can follow, that can take away the terrible, lonely responsibility for your life that's too much for you to handle. When nobody can find their leader/father/prophet they make him up. They were in a spiritual wasteland and had to reinvent religion.

This guy gets it

why cutlery and a fucking bed as an example of naughty naughty consumerism
why not one of the countless items that aren't long-lasting, necessary utilities

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Trump is big ass neoliberalism too

I love how people always miss the point of this movie and end up loving and admiring the terrorist.

You don't get it, that character is owned by his airlines miles and the status they provide and all the single serving luxury hotel suites he slips in in his well tailored suit the same way the fight club club narrator feels caged by his ikea furniture in his yuppie condo.

That film isn't even a criticism of capitalism per se, consumerism being possible in a socialist society. The problem is that consumerism doesn't fill the void just as all other stupid 'isms' don't either.

There is the bathroom scene where Tyler explains the "now what" problem.
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That the emotional core of the film.
The fight club is great initially because nothing matters except the next meeting next week. But eventually, it's not enough no the narrator goes all over the fucking country to set up other fight clubs but it's not enough so it becomes an army...

The same way one table is never enough, or one plastic surgery leads to another or whatever...

I don't like trump either. I lean pretty left but ivory tower neoliberals get on my nerves. They want to help poor people and get the praise for it but won't take the time to understand them. Fuck em.

What like the iphone x that sold out within minutes? People are complete slaves, spend $1000 on a phone they haven't even seen in real life. On a product they haven't even touched. On a product they will keep for two years max and then do it all again.

At least in the 90s it was for something that would last twenty years. Now people do it on something that can barely last two. And they wonder why the wealth gap between the rich and the poor is so high, yet never wonder why a shepherd has so many sheep.

Sounds like the writer should have expressed himself better if he wanted you to take a certain thing out of it.

Just rent, move on after a year or two

I had a galaxy 3 for 3 years, that I paid 300 dollars for. I got a new phone only after that one stopped working. Then I got a Iphone 5 for 150 dollars.
I can't even begin to imagine why someone would spend a grand on a phone

So dude like

If I talk about a radical thing

Like stupid way then

I don't like have to belive in it man because if I make it look stupid myyaaaaan, I don't have to belive it myaaaaaaaaaaan

So fucking deep

meh

>The average capitalist things consumerism is capitalism

kek

Based!

Is this one of those Sup Forums segue-ways into some kind of "the JOOS turned beautiful damsel capitalism into a filthy degenerate slut!" moron arguments?

this but unironically

culture and economics are wholly independent. but then again you're just baiting

BRAD PITT'S CHARACTER REPRESENTS THE SUPEREGO TO EDWARD NORTON'S PERSON WHICH HE FIGURATIVELY KILLS AT THE END

>I AM JACK'S _______

YOU FUCKS

Then you'd know that economics is an inherently chaotic mess where people sometimes throw out couches and dresses because they're no longer fashionable, and this keeps the people who make them employed.

Don't be a child.

but you cannot deny that the west has a consumerist culture that tries to associate happiness with material goods

Palahniuk is an edgy numale and mediocre writer at best, but the reader/viewer shares at least equal responsibility for missing the point. That said, consumerism and technology (at least for the purposes we develop and use it for) is cancer and tyler did nothing wrong. You need useful idiots for any revolution, even one claiming to be for individualism. Where people really miss the point is that they identify with Tyler/"Jack" and not the nameless pawns in his revolution.

>Never been able to buy a new sofa
>always get seconds hand furniture
>house is mismatched
>get told by upper and middle class people about the plight of the modern world

This.
My friend who is 34 and whose mom still pays for his flat, always rips on my 2nd hand furniture, recently I got a lot of money from btc, 10k and he suggested I should buy new furniture cause all my shit is secondhand.

>actually cares about furniture matching
>doesn't consider himself to be middle class
What the fuck

The anwser is you stay at the bottom. Doesn't sound nice does it. But that's the only solutions. You start you race for "nicer stuff" and "nicer house" and it never ends, you're in that race for life. Stay out of it. Just ignore that shit, we both know all you need is one room, a table, a chair and a bed.

I Don't even want to hear this shit coming from some homo who in the same breath, creams himself over contemporary japanese culture

what are you talking about nigger?

We're going to have a real problem in the future when those in power refuse to allow this.

the answer is get a job and a life so you dont have so much free time to worry about nothing

>buying stuff means you're trapped inside to protect it forever

>the drapes
>the rug
>an entire set of dishes
Unnecessary.

>The Answer is becoming a cog and never looking up

plus keep in mind that chuck came out as gay, i have a gay cousin and the kid talks about furniture like its the most important thing to ever exist. he didnt even know there was a shooting in vegas the last time i talked to him he just rattled on about antique ottomans and shit. i cant make this up. palahniuk's "friends" when he was writing this were probably very similar.

>just work, eat, shit and breed until you die goyim, stop thinking so much and don't forget to take your happy pills.

and a vr heads set

it's criticism on consumerism, not capitalism
so yeah apparently bit too deep for you huh

"I'm not murdering you, I'm mentally ill. Please be understanding."

you'd be surprised how people don't realize that
could you go back to time before smartphones if you have owned one?
and don't assume I'm saying smarpthones are bad, just relevant example

>The anwser is you stay at the bottom.

...Or don't get married.

Poorfag excuse for having stacked up cardboard boxes for a dinner table.

yeah better live in a house with no furniture fuck the system we dont need things lets just drink alcohol in the streets like a bunch of abos

That's not how people live. You don't buy a sofa thinking "this will be the last sofa I will ever buy" unless you're like 90 or have cancer or something. You buy things in your house that you need knowing eventually that you'll replace them out of necessity or desire (or laziness if you're moving and don't want to be bothered lugging around an old sofa just to save a few bucks).

There we go

But people replace their smartphones all the time.

I think more people identify with the pawns than you think, and those are the ones Palahniuk thinks are missing the point. Consumerism isn't the problem here, it's the symptom, it's just the thing that Norton's character is using to make up for his lack of direction in life, an emotional surrogate like his support groups. Tyler Durden says it clearly in his Great War speech, and then Palahniuk doesn't provide a counterpoint with nearly as much force because he doesn't actually have a solution other than "deal with it, like just get laid brah." Then he gets upset that people loved Durden's message and cheered at the buildings coming down rather than get horrified at it because Norton's character was.

Fight Club is about criticizing philosophical materialism, the fournitures mentioned in this citation represents ideals and conceptions, whit which we sorround ourselves to not feel how unconfortable are the truths of the world, to avoid confrontation and make a deal with our fears to keep them outside our homes, out of ourselves, paying them a toll in the form of bland comforts, in the end the book, as well the movie, asks you to face reality and take conscience that living in a self delusion is always bad.

then go sit on a fucking toadstool nigger

that's pretty interesting take on it honestly, never thought about it that way
I don't think it contradicts the other interpretations either though

show me one(1) person that doesnt know that the world is shit
thats just how things are you cant do anythign about it why pretend to care about people you never will know

>not buying only essential electronics to pirate and view stolen content
>using their boxes as your furniture

Get on my level, normie.

Woah this is deep...

It wouldn't sustain my might girth

Fight Club is about being homosexual. It's about rejecting traditional society's mentality that tells young men they have to make a house and get married and have a family. Instead, you can secretly meet with men at night, get half naked, and then pound on a sweaty, half naked dude.

The fact that Chuck Palahniuk came out of the closet years later only proves this point.

from my perspective your kinda spending habit sounds dumb as fuck to be honest
I have nokia 1100 I bought 2012 for 20 bucks cause my old phone, which I had since I was a kid stopped working
I can't even begin to imagine why someone would spend a several hundred on a phone

It doesn't, but in my opinion they weren't presented as strongly as this thread, especially for the Gen X males that took it to cult status. Fincher's wanting you to finish the movie thinking "whoah, self-delusion really is terrible" but all you can think of is "our great war is a spiritual war" and that's what makes you tell your friends about it.

>i want to buy a new ouch every couple of years because couched get worn out
>bought some dishes
>a rug
>even a bed to sleep on!

Dude bruh consumerism isnt capitalism like owning drapes is evil man. We should all just like, live in the woods and eat acorns so we dont consume anything. Other than acorns. My parents had a sofa and my dad was like a dick or something. Chuck Fuckanut is brilliant.

Because they use their phone for more than just making phone calls and want a nice one.

I could easily afford new furniture but I just get all of my shit for free because they function the same to me.
Fuck, the only reason I bought bed and aren't still sleeping on a mattress was just peer pressure from my family and friends, not that I complain now, it's bigger and was cheap but still, didn't make the decision entirely myself.

positively lovecraftian

Good for you. I have a real job in medical that requires smartphone capabilities. I do far more in my life than work at a supermarket and then lay around smoking weed all day and maybe going out to a bar with fellow losers and bragging about "my simple lifestyle dude all you need is this kind of phone haha want to go back to my place?" Is it that difficult to imagine?

>you buy things to make your time here comfortable because you know you're just a cog in a machine
Why is this bad? If you want more meaning, find it, but some people are content in their nest.

>own a broken 10 year old thinkpad
>all my light bulbs are 5 watts LED bulbs from poundland
>2nd hand 32" led monitor a 2nd hand computestick knock off as my "kino station", Entire set up runs less than a 60watt bulb
>don't own anything else
>furniture is 2nd hand
>get couscous and potatoes in bulk

Its like I am living like a 3rd worlder but without the nice weather

I can't tell if the Fight Club mansion looked comfy or disgusting

Exactly, to new smartphones, but could you see yourself going back to dumb phones with snake 2 and texting without internet?
Once you buy your first smartphone it becomes really hard to never own one again.

would have smelled nice

Only buy things you use often. Like sitting on a sofa alot? Get one. But the moment you don't need something or just let it sit somewhere unused, get rid of it.

Do this with appliances, clothes, dishes. Even with something like books, especially if you don't feel like ever reading that book again.

Before you buy something, ask yourself if you really need it.

Well could you then not make a case for the new iphone with similar premise as well?
They just want a 'nice one'

And once you buy your first car, it becomes really hard to go back to the horse and buggy. Yep, technology improves, and so long as you have it available to you, it's really kind of dumb not to take advantage of it. What's your point?

No need to assume I'm judging anyone here. The point was judging people for their spending habits when you are more or less in the same boat is kinda hypocritical, not that owning smartphones is bad.

i honestly think youve been brainwashed into not wanting to get a job. you dont automatically become a slave when you get a job especially if you get a job you have a vested interest in. you may not have noticed, but humans become unproductive wastes of space when they dont have a job or a social circle. europe and soon all the west is being flooded with africans because "white" people have withdrawn from society, dont have kids and dont contribute back and soon enough there wont be enough people to sustain the economies of these places.

It's also easier to move when you don't have tons of stuff. I have minimal stuff in my apartment. Bed, computer desk, coffee table, couple chairs, tv stand and tv. Few rugs and thats it. I regularly throw out old clothes and junks that I don't use. Place keeps tidy and neat.

>What's your point?
Read the reply chain before answering next time maybe so you don't have to ask dumb questions.
>and don't assume I'm saying smarpthones are bad, just relevant example
>once you have something it's impossible to not have it

Personally, I used my first smart phone for years until the power button broke and I would have had to gotten it fixed, so instead I got a new one. I know a lot of people have theirs through three year contracts and, once the contract ends, decide to upgrade rather than paying the same for an old one.

>tfw too autistic to give a shit about nice looking things
F-freedom

I did. I'm the same guy you've been replying to this entire time. If you can't explain your point, you don't have one, and I can only assume you've been replying to me because you're a very bored, lonely, sad person.

>Segue-ways

>decide to upgrade rather than paying the same for an old one
Yeah I think that is pretty common practice but that's kinda the point, it's not that people necessarily need the new type of phone but it's just 'nice' to have it. The phone loading apps fraction of a second faster is very nice feature to have but you don't really need that either. And I'm not saying everything should be strictly utilitarian just that I think there is just as 'logical' to get the newest iPhone, nobody really needs one but it's just nice to have.

>If you can't explain your point,
>>once you have something it's impossible to not have it
I think I've made myself clear in every post, I really can't be held responsible for the interpretation issues on your end.