Why was he so mean?

Why was he so mean?
I always saw Gandalv as one of a superior mind, above insults and anger. But sometimes the human flaws in him shine through. Does it suit his character to say these things?

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It was written by a man.
An actual man. Not some nu-male faggot who thinks you should be constructive when you call someone a fucking mongo.

Reminder Tolkien was super liberal

I'm reading the book now. It always came off to me in a much less negative tone and more like a parent scolding their child for doing something stupid. Wizards seems to have a knack for banter so there seems to be a bit of that mixed in as well which can come off as rude if you take it that way.

Superliberal of 1918 is far right fascism of 2018. It works like inflaction.

Gandalv had JUST done a speech to Frodo, that we should not judge who should live or die, and now he's basically says "kill yourself" to Pipin.

After getting yelled at by super-wizard, Pippin makes no more idiot mistakes for the rest of the series.

So Gandalf was mean so Pippin would learn.

Liberals still had balls back in Tolkien's time.
God damnit how has everything gone so wrong?

With cause. It's not like Pipping was just standing about doing nothing, he fucked up.
They are basically at war to save middle earth and you have some mong, just monging his way forward slowly, monging up the group spreading his mongness. You'get pissy too.

Does a man write a female character to be rude and manly because he's "not a nu male faggot?" OP makes a perfectly good point, it does seem out of character for an otherwise wise and enlightened wizard.

They're in the Mines of Moria in this scene right?
He knows what they've wandered into
He knows about the Balrog beneath them and the fuckload of orcs

Reminder Tolkien was in one of the bloodiest battles of the modern era and would've been walking through blood and bone of white men until all he could think of was how to protect the white race from itself and (((outside))) forces.

Nobody asked you fuckface.

being a literal treehugger ins't a fucking misstake? Take your hippie bullshit somewhere else

In what way is it out of character, it's known to anyone in that universe and whom reads the books that he does not suffer fools. It's well within the walls of the character.

Kek

>It's not like Pipping was just standing about doing nothing
Neither the case with Gollum, which is who they spoke of when he said those words to Frodo. Same thing really. Thus hypocritical.

>buzz words

Interesting tidbit: Ian McKellen actually really hated Gandalf the White precisely because he was so sterile and completely devoid of these kinds of imperfections.

When the trees act as superweapons, then it isn't a mistake.

Neither we asked you, Mr Broken Ass.

Who cares what that fag thinks?

Pippin did a tremendous mistake later tho, when picking up that magic ball.

Why do people think that being good means you also can't be an asshole?

>Neither we asked you
Lol, the champions of the 'white race' are mongrel Americans who can't form a sentence.

omg rude :

Gandalf tried to get them to avoid going into Moria at all, but they were forced to against his best wishes, and now immediately after finding out that all the dwarves were slaughtered by orcs Pippin make a shitload of noise to bring the orcs down on them.

Didn't that work out for the better though?
Sauron thought Pippin had the ring, a good diversion.

Um actually they were goblins??

>characters/humans arent inherently hypocritical

i hate this meme

But Gandalf was right at being angry, if it wasn't for Pippin being careless and clumsy they would have passed through Moria without problems.

On the other hand, the chain of events ended with the death of the Balrog (a threat that arguably in the next ages without elves and wizards around, would be impossible to overcome) and Gandalf ascended, so I guess in the end it was all part of Illuvatar's greater plan?

Are you retarded?
Gandalf forgot the password and looked like a cuck to the fellowship and was just venting his anger on the little faggot.

Yes of course. He fucked up. But it always surprises me that Galdalv is expressing his annoyance so harshly.

Yes, it did, but it is pure luck. Gandalv was angry at Pippin because chances were that Sauron would actually see all of their plan, and it would be lost. They were lucky, but the mistake was immense.

In the book Gandalf is harsh

So Gandalv is actually no better than any of us?

goblins and orcs are the same

And yet in LOTR rulers should be of divine right. Aragorn, simply being the ancestor of the guy who killed Sauron (who was also the asshole that chose not to destroy the ring and caused all the problems to begin with) should be king of Gondor according to Gandalf even going out of the way to say it was being ruled by "lesser men." Yeah, you can say that the gods technically exist and do bestow this type of stuff on mortals, but it's still a shitty viewpoint to hold.

Same thing in LOTR. Like hobbits/halflings.

Goblins are small orcs.

Yes, thats why Sauranman was angry about him smoking weed

That's not my meaning either, you twat.
If you read my OP, you'd understand that I'm talking about Gandalv as a character especially wise and above such human mistakes. Clearly he isn't, as we see in the movie, but I always thought that it didn't quite suit him.

I thought they were cursed elves.

That's a Jackson-made scene in the hobbit trilogy though.

>Wisdom equals infallibility

I really wish this meme would end

I thought orcs were that? I dunno.

All the Maiar who went into the mission to oppose Sauron in the guise of Wizards were affected in one way or other, that's the point. Gandalf is the one that remained most true, but he still was changed.

Reeeeee!!!

The image in OP is also from the Jackson made trilogy

The scene is in the book, is it not?

Considering that noise brought a horde of orcs and a balrog, I think Gandalf shoud've at least vaporized Pippin

GandalF with an F you Fucking Faggot

He said "Fool of a Took!" he growled. "This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance."

reminder that americans have twisted the word liberal so much the common american doesnt even know that it means

Telling someone to kill themselves doesnt mean you actually want them to kill themselves, he was just talking down to him.

White Gandalf was a gary stu, Grey Gandalf was more human.

Probably the softest cunt comment you can make on a warpath when your teammate just fucked you

Reminder Tolkien lived through this and knows the true words spoken in hell

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme

>More than 3 million men fought in this battle and one million men were wounded or killed, making it one of the bloodiest battles in human history.

I know, same goes for Frodo, am I right?

He was pissed off at babysitting a bunch of idiot noisy tourist hobbits through hostile territory (think ISIS city at night, or the Bronx) wearing the same smelly robes and going months without a shower or good night's rest, eating field rations (dried nuts and mouldy bread) because one of the idiots let the food carrying donkey be scoffed by a Hentai monster. Add a bickering elf and dwarf, a few more stinky humans and anyone would be a bit snappish after all that.

Everyone was on edge because they're surrounded by death and that lil shit keeps fucking things up. Just a few days ago he caused the whole situation they're in in the first place. I'd be mad as fuck too

>calling Bill the pony a donkey

He was just a messenger in the trenches, he BARELY saw any war. If he was actually fighting and not writing we'd never have gotten LOTR at all.

Tell that to all the white men of Gondor and Rohan that died because of that "diversion."

t. Germany

Yeah who could be more LIBRUL than WW1 Veterans?

Shut the fuck up

you guys are arguing about intent, but intent is something in your mind

100 years ago, and apparently in middle earth, people weren't massive faggots who had a sad day every time a powerful and benevolent wizard pointed out their carelessness

also pippin being a took, was relevant, tooks most likely had some weird ancestors, and gandalf was pointing out what a continuous problem his more chaotic family tree was

It was easy for Gabdalf and Elrond to talk down to the lesser races of men, but if they were in the situation they wouldn't have been able to destroy the ring at that moment either. Nobody can. Especially not at the place the ring is at it's most powerful. That's why it was only destroyed by pure fucking luck frodo couldn't even do it.

He was a zebra actually. They just called him bill the pony as a joke

No he wasn't.

Yeah, if it weren't for Pippin, Sauron would have stayed in Mordor. Saruman was a rogue element.

>denying history
so this is the power ... of liberalism

nice projecting there, numale

But seriously, he'll find a million things to complain about. When he was upset about having to perform alone in a green room? That's the job, he got too spoiled

These. Gandalf doesn't fuck around, or rather, knows they can't be fucking around at this moment. He knows the Balrog is down there, and he was trying to shuffle them through as quietly and quickly as possible.

In the books, when Sam does his eulogy in Lothlorien, he says Gandalf was "quick to anger, quicker to forgive." It's part of his character - sort of like when he loses it on Bilbo when he suggests he wants to take the ring for himself. Bilbo's being a weak minded fool, succumbing to the ring, so he snaps at him and straightens his shit out.

e_e why are you spelling his name like that? You're basically namefagging

No not really.

Isn't that how his name is spelt?

Messengers died a lot because they were sniper targets. If you couldn't run fast and memorise the routes and could think on your feet (collapsed trench, blocked bunker path, command has moved due to lines moving) then you were dead, either through incompetence at the hands of a firing squad, or dead by a shell, gas, or a snipers bullet.

This is the perfect Sup Forums-thread

every thread here should be something like this one

Sup Forums memes are pure shit

Stupid filthy memeses.

This, in any country I know of except US and it's pseudo-vessels, "liberal" means what Americans call "libertarian".

If you vote for the "liberals" here, you vote for the pro-business people and against socialism.

He was a Pro-gun monarchist.

Why did Gandalf go when Frodo suggested it? Was he just not sure? I haven't read or watched in a while.

>was mean to faggot hobbit
>faggot hobbit wakes up orcs and balrog, which could have resulted in their deaths and the ring to not be destroyed and so the end of middle earth.
b-b-b-but why so mean?
kys you cancerous nigger.

You are mean too.

YAMETE

Buddy, he was at SOMME. SOMME. He saw the thousands die. And he had close friends die.

> But sometimes the human flaws in him shine through.
Gandalf isn't human though.

is it true that tolkein and the narnia guy created their storys to help teach people about christianity

Going on the journey? Gandalf loved Frodo like a son, and knew he wouldn't survive on his own. Plus, I'm pretty sure Gandalf was gonna go, regardless of who suggested it. He was one of the strongest beings in Middle Earth, and it was sort his purpose.

If I remember correctly, they were contemplating whether they should go trough the mines, and Gandalf left it to Frodo - why did he do this? Did Gandalf know about the mines?

Gandalf knew about the mines, but I think it's because the only other choice was going way to the south through Gondor, which meant going through a heavily populated area of humans, making it harder to keep their purpose a secret - remember, the entire quest hinged on Sauron never discovering they had the ring/their aims. Frodo was the ringbearer, which is a big deal in LotR, so the choice was his.

What's the best part of LOTR and HOBBIT-Trilogies?

To me it's the Battle of Helm's Deep.

Helm's Deep or the Mines of Moria.

Wait, I thought being a cuck was when your girl runs off with a blackerd? Does cuck also mean forgetting passwords?

I always wondered about that though, the way they show it in the movies he seems unsure about it, which I took to mean he wasn't sure how bad Moria had gotten. If he knew though does that mean he just thought they had a decent chance of sneaking through a goblin and infested dwarf city?

Saruman says (about Moria), "You fear to go there. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness." I think Gandalf figured they had a chance of making it through undetected, but I think he also knew there was a good chance he'd have to fight the Balrog, in which case he wasn't sure if he could win. Ultimately, in my head canon, he knew it was possible to cut through the Mines, but it was incredibly risky.

The end of the Fellowship, basically everything from "I would have gone with you to the end" to the credits is pure gold.

>puts on Boromir's vambraces
>we will not abandon Merry and Pippin to torment and death
>let's hunt some orc
>mfw

why do the gondorian soldiers get their asses kicked every time they are on screen? for rohirrum its a fair fight or they wreck shit