So I picked up Love is Love from my LCS and I while I won't go into a merits or flaws of the book itself, I will admit that I was pretty surprised that there wasn't use of a single Marvel Character.
Sure, most of little one-to-two page stories didn't feature any superheroes but there was use of DC character such as pic related.
Why the fuck didn't Marvel add anything to this? Is it because they couldn't make a buck from it or something? What's with this whole "diversity" drive when they won't even contribute to a book which supports the victims of the Pulse shooting? Is it because DC was involved; because if so it shows how petty Marvel is at the moment.
I've been reading Marvel books my whole life and I have to say I'm disappointed with them right now. At least contribute some characters to this book.
Because it was published by IDW with assistance from DC. Marvel was never involved to begin with.
IDW and DC have a sot of working relationship. Examples: The Teen Titans/Batman crossover.
Jaxon Hill
Marvel wasn't involved. Why would you expect their characters in it?
Some creators known for their Marvel work did submit things though.
Grayson Hughes
>At least contribute some characters to this book.
DC and IDW have a working relationship. They've done crossovers in the past and have I think three going right now. This was their project, not Marvels
Connor Howard
It's because Love is Love was co-published by DC and IDW. It's not like IDW just went "hey can we use your characters?" and DC went "sure, go for it." DC and IDW have done crossover books before and have a good working relationship (see: all the DC crossovers with TMNT/Star Trek/Power Rangers/etc.)
This was essentially just another crossover book. It's not like any Image or Dark Horse characters appeared either.
Austin Torres
>Jimmy Olsen and that big tranny in the corner
Legitimately cracks me up every time.
Juan Taylor
>D*sney >collaborate
Nice joke. Unless it's fully under their thumb they want nothing to do with it.
Colton Roberts
Marvel wont do crossovers
Luis Ross
>Let's use the victims of a mass shooting as a political tool to push our leftist agenda!
This was exactly what I expected it to be, and yet I'm somehow still mad.
Cooper Smith
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Asher Hernandez
Marvel is the least progressive company in comics.
How did you not know that? They only support what they can make money off of.
Jason Watson
To be fair, all the proceeds went to aiding the victims. And it's more than Marvel's ever done to actually help people, beyond bitching on Twitter.
Jacob Garcia
Actually here's the thing I think Marvel was willing or at least creators were, do you want to know how I know? Bendis has a segment in this book making it his only other dc work and work at IDW. There was swathes of talent on this.
Michael Morris
It wasn't just DC and IDW charters though. JK Rowling in her infinite grace allowed them to use Harry and the old gay fella
Jace Thomas
All the money made from the books went you the victims of you shooting asshole.
Nolan Martin
It was for charity user
Grayson Morgan
I have no doubt the creators wanted to work on it. This is clearly down to Ike the Kike
Dominic Bennett
Which is exactly why Marvel would never be involved.
Ryan King
While the page is horrible and scared shitless to mention who the shooter was and why he did it the book was still for charity
Brayden Jackson
Marc Andreyko organized it and afaik he's never done any Marvel work, he went to people he knew including some DC and IDW editors, IDW and DC got involved at about the same time so Marvel was probably never a factor
Bendis did have a page though, and Aaron/Latour did a Southern Bastards-ish page
Robert Gray
He has worked with Marvel. He wrote a Deadpool book.
Jeremiah Wilson
>IDW and DC have a sot of working relationship >The Teen Titans/Batman
Ryan Cruz
Ironically it appears it is you who is using the victims in order to appear outraged at the "leftist agenda".
Jeremiah Ward
oh, my mistake
Elijah Ross
That doesn't make it much better. They had absolutely no need to shove a political ad into something that was supposed to be honoring the victims of a shooting.
Jason Wright
Wilson had a page, but she has worked for DC before
Gabriel Morris
What political ad? Are you talking about him showing people websites for creators of colour and queer creators?
Like, if so you have a really weird view on politics.
Logan Phillips
I will admit as much as this book was nice I wish it didn't have that Deathstroke page in it. That is not a character you use for a moral highground. Thank god for Deathstroke 11.
David Flores
>but seriously, fuck the NRA
Julian Torres
>That doesn't make it much better. So they can't talk about the victims in the book that's raising money for them? Stop being such a fucking retard. You don't need to virtue signal about how so not leftist you are.
Jose Hall
>I'm sure better writers than me will do it brilliantly in here wrong again, Tyler. I guess he's just not a fan of the whole "Fuck the NRA and the bible thumping assholes" bit
Brayden Stewart
Then make it clear that you're criticizing specific pages instead of pretending the entire book was bad
Some people got it right.
Gabriel Hernandez
This.
I stay away from these types of books because I know the characters will be OOC to stand on a soapbox.
I wold Gladly have given the money to the charity but I have no interest in the book
Zachary Martin
Believe it or not, they had a rule that they wernt going to push politics. That legitimately is their idea of not pushing politics.
Nicholas Roberts
That writer is a comedian, so the deathstroke page is clearly meant to be self-aware about that.
Andrew Green
I mean it's a nice thing they did and all but.....
Oliver Morgan
>The dyke wearing the Harley Quinn shirt She blew up children! How is Harley Quinn a hero that stands up for le oppressed? Because she's bisexual? She's a homicidal psychopath!
Aiden Davis
Look at the angry onlookers in the panel with the two guys kissing. They're all white, and the one guy looks like a priest. They're refusing to acknowledge who actually perpetrated the act.
Also, "cartoonists of color" has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT at all and was literally just shoved in there for promotion.
Joseph Jackson
Here Andreyko explains how Love is Love came to be
>I wold Gladly have given the money to the charity
then why didn't you?
Adam Reed
That's obviously Starfire.
Camden James
>They're all white
they're BLUE.
Josiah Reed
The one that really worked was Extrano pages by Didio mostly because it was surprisingly deep look into some of the bad ideas DC has done and how much far they've come. It felt humble and sad rather than soapboxy.
Oliver Hall
Marvel loves to tout their diversity but they are actually hugely conservative. That's why they literally segregate their writers, forcing blacks to only write blacks.
Robert Jackson
Yeah that shit with Priest blew my mind.
Chase Rogers
That was my biggest gripe with the stories that actually did try to address the """causes""" of the shooting. They all washed over the religious motivation. And those that did chose to use a crucifix to represent any sort of religious motivation. Not to sound super Sup Forums-ish, but it sure as shit wasn't a conservitard Christian who went and shot up Pulse.
The Legion story that just called the guy "deranged" instead of calling him a religious zealot made me rage a bit too.
Hunter Scott
I would not call those pages self-aware.
Owen Campbell
Well I meant the DC charity specifically. I wasn't aware there were any others. I guess I could have just bought the book and given it to somebody else though. I think I'm just dumb, user
Parker Morris
>Implying that guy didn't hate himself and then pledge himself to ISIS at the last minute
Thomas Green
>Ike Perlmutter
Possibly a contributing factor.
Dylan Wright
>Not to sound super Sup Forums-ish, but it sure as shit wasn't a conservitard Christian who went and shot up Pulse.
It's not Sup Forumsish to state facts. Sup Forums's blanket racism is dangerous but it's also dangerous to ignore the fact that Islam is very intolerant towards homosexuals
Jaxon Foster
Honestly it was an interesting experiment just from an artistic standpoint just to see which creators used their space well and all. Since it's the same basic subject matter that kind puts them all on even footing.
Bentley Martin
what level of trolling are you guys even on?
Ethan Price
True. But he certainly wasn't a white, conservative NRA supporter.
I'm literally an openly-gay guy who's a proud member of the NRA. The fact that I own, and carry, a gun has prevented me and my boyfriend from being gaybashed on multiple occasions. I will never see why the lefties hate guns so much. It's a lot harder to be another statistic when you can fight back.
Zachary Hernandez
>Implying you can possibly know what his motivation really was
He could have been ISIS from the start or maybe he just liked cock and couldn't handle that due to being Muslim. You're never going to know so it's pointless speculating on it
Aaron Davis
This.
Personally, I really liked the one of that only showed a closed door and had text saying it could be anyone behind it.
Joshua Lee
I half think DC had Harley turn full psycho in the '52 because she was getting to be more popular than the male Bat-characters. (the other half just blames thoughtless bad writing) DC is pretty sexist more often than not, and it somehow actually gets worse when they try to pander. So by that logic of course they decided that they built her up too much and had to take her down a notch.
Jason Hall
Are you the same guy who pulled a gun on a bunch of rednecks who were threatening you and your bf and then went home and had a threesome?
Adam Wood
>I will never see why the lefties hate guns so much.
A lot of the left has flipped on that and are buying more guns because of oppressive government. That thing they called a lot of Republicans crazy and paranoid over.
As we have seen in Euroe the last couple of years if a guy gets it into his head to kill a bunch of people he's going to find a way to do it gun or not
William Rodriguez
>He could have been ISIS from the start what's "the start" in this case
Aaron Moore
user, I think it's best to avoid all blanket generalizations.
Jonathan Bell
Hahaha. I'm totally surprised people remember that on here.
If someone hates badly enough to kill, they'll do it regardless of what they can get their hands on. They'll switch to something else. IEDs, pipe bombs. You name it.
Dominic White
>DC is pretty sexist
Kys you false flagging idiot. DC has always been ahead of the curb when it comes to including women and has far more actual good female characters than any other company. You sound incredibly dumb.
Ayden Williams
A few years I suppose
Jaxson Howard
Curve*
Brandon Bennett
When a Muslim country has gay rights we can talk
Elijah Bennett
>DC is pretty sexist more often than not, and it somehow actually gets worse when they try to pander.
Literally Marvel
Jeremiah Phillips
>IDW and DC has a working relationship So you be saying every publisher wants to be pals with DC while no one wants to be in the same room as Marvel?
This. I get that not all Muslims are like that. But, by and large, those "LBGT For Muslims" groups should just try going to Fallujah or Bagdhad and tell everyone that they're so happy to be in such a tolerant and enlightened country where everyone is cool with the fact that they smoke pole.
Dylan Fisher
I think it's Marvel's choice but the result is the same regardless.
Brody Gutierrez
You can't view it like that. In America and Europe it is the year 2017.
In the Middle East outside of Dubai it is still the early 1900s if that. They are literally living in a different time. We have no business interacting with the past but if they want to come to the future there is no harm.
Liam Bailey
Lebanon is pretty liberal, comparatively
Nathaniel Brooks
TMNT/Batman. Also MMPR/JLA, but that's Boom.
Jace Lopez
You've got to be kidding. Or maybe you really do think being half-naked sex objects always identified as the underlings of MEN count as the single greatest ambition of all females?
Brody Brooks
>I will never see why the lefties hate guns so much. People getting shot, basically. We used to be pro-gunz, but then people kept on shooting us in the sixties and seventies and we got sick of it.
Parker Murphy
Lebanon is on par with Israel though and has a long cultured history of being ahead of the rest of the countries over there. I was speaking more about Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. Hell most of those people don't even have running water.
Connor Cox
Name a single DC female that fits that criteria. I will wait. If you say Wonder Woman you will get laughed off the board.
Landon Harris
Ah so it's bait. No one feed them the (You)s.
They are either a dumbass casual that doesn't read comics or being purposely obtuse.
Ayden Evans
Iraq would be about as shitty as it is Muslim as it would be Christian though. The issues they have over there are more complex than the God they worship, even if local demagogues use that as a reason to go to war.
Ian Carter
>I've been reading Marvel books my whole life and I have to say I'm disappointed with them right now. At least contribute some characters to this book.
>Marvel uses character >"Why are they using this character and making him a beacon for their agenda. Stop forcing this shit down my throat. I can't stand not to put the boook down and say it's not for me, so why don't you guys just stop doing the thing you've been doing forever."
Ayden Reed
That is my point though. They are just in a different time. We have no business interacting with them. There is even more of a gap between them and first world than the Colonist and the Native Americans.
We are basically time travelers to them.
Jace Diaz
I mean the Middle East as a whole definitely wouldn't be in the state it's in right now if France and Britain hadn't arbitrarily carved up the region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire then 30 years later create a massive refugee crisis in the region by plopping down a whole new country right in the middle
Jackson Stewart
>DC is pretty sexist more often than not
Who is Wonder Woman?
Carson Baker
...for now, at least. But the literal invasion, plus the back and forth between the islamic fundamentalists and their hated neighbors next door, plus the genocide of the leb christians hasn't helped tolerance any.
Zachary Moore
>genocide of the leb christians "they all left" isn't genocide
Jaxon Edwards
As were those races, Clark
Asher Adams
How are either of those posts trolling?
Thomas Morgan
I personally haven't been complaining about Marvel using legacy characters.
Both companies go through phases with it. Hell, the Silver Age was essentially birthed through legacy characters (Green Lantern and The Flash).
Sup Forums and comic book readers are not monolithic in what they like and what they don't. During the fucking Infinity Gauntlet event neither Iron Man or Thor were the actual Thor or Iron Man; but you don't hear about people complaining about the fact that Infinity Gauntlet sucks cause it uses lame politically correct not-Iron Man.
Samuel Adams
Maybe if everyone in the nightclub was packing heat, things would have gone a different way.
David Anderson
>You can't view it like that.
Why, because you say so? Fuck off
Nolan Peterson
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Hunter Howard
Can't do it, can't be done. ... I've GOT to mention Wonder-Woman and her bondage/submission themed magic vulnerability.
As for any other sex-costumed subordinate females... are YOU sure you can't think of even one?
Parker Stewart
No because it's the truth. Itd be equivalent to people equipped with space travel invading America and trying to take our resources.
They are light years behind us.
Nathaniel Turner
that's honestly highly doubtful
Juan Garcia
Star Trek/GL is IDW
Christopher Price
>I've GOT to mention Wonder-Woman and her bondage/submission themed magic vulnerability.
So shit that hasn't been around for decades
Julian Powell
Stan stop killing people and come back to be the editor at Marvel!
Henry Phillips
>talks about heroines >post a bunch of villains
You are so god damn casual it hurts. Do you even know who Mera is? What about Batwoman? Black Canary?
Youre a dumbass or just have no clue what you are talking about.