We all knew about weinstein and spacey but didn't do anything

>we all knew about weinstein and spacey but didn't do anything

Why is Hollywood like this?

because they are whores for money and attention

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No but honestly, the amount of people who admitted Weinstein's behavior was well known and tolerated within hollywood was significantly more sickening than the actual accusations.

they lack self awareness and introspection

The powerful ones keep the rest quiet with their influence and the implicit threat of career destruction for speaking out.

Pretty much this. Hollywood has admitted that it has known and condoled systematic sexual abuse in the industry for god knows how long and people have no problem with it. No Hollywood boycott, no nothing.

Trump was right about Rosie

I think it varies. Like, I do believe that some people just heard the "he's flirty and trying to get with the young cuties" and that's kinda scummy but not super illegal, and then there were people who knew that he basically forced people and got kinda rapey at times.
I don't believe in the LITERALLY EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING BS that is going around, that seems unreasonable. Still super fucking shitty tho.
I'm also unsure about Kevin Spacey. To me it sounds like he got way to drunk at a party 30 fucking years ago, and flirtet a bit to heavy with a boy that understandably made him uncomfortable. Is that reason to cancel house of fucking cards? God damn, should have at least fucked the boy, losing that show over this makes me unreasonable.

There was just one woman who came out about it before the buzzfeed article. And the news didn't even dare to report real names.

>tfw hollywood pedophiles will never ever face lawful justice because by the time abused children have the courage to stand up the statute of limitations makes it impossible to press charges and police wont even make a report of when someone comes to them with a claim like this

So their careers are more important to them than vulnerable people (some underage) being taken advantage of and even raped?

Those cowards disgust me more than the hedonists they cover for.

>Whine about rape culture elsewhere
>Hollywood IS rape culture

They're the same as assholes on message boards saying "they knew". They didn't know. They heard a rumor that might be true, along with a 1000 others.

You can't do anything with 3rd and 4th hand information. You can't go the cops and say "I heard from this guy who heard from a guy, Spacey molested someone." It takes the victim to come out and say it.

Like I said, I do believe that, fuck even just statistically, a couple of people must have known everything, Obviously most of the women who met him must have known. Some of the men must have known. But EVERYONE in hollywood? Bullshit.
Also, shitcanning a show because of ONE incident 30 years ago... fucking hell.

What was a fourteen year old even doing at a hollywood party?

>we all knew about u
If they all knew, why the fuck didn't anyone do anything about it? They're basically just admitting that they're moral cowards who turned a blind eye to wrongdoing because they were afraid it would harm their career.

If Harvey Weinstein prays on young women like a motherfucker for over 30 years, I guarantee you A LOT of people must have known this. Plus, they go to the same parties, have the same closed circles of friends...Hollywood hypocrisy is off the charts and I wish this years Oscars would be cancelled in an act of shame.

No one will accuse that fat bitch of anything unfortunately

Neftlix wouldn't cancel it if it was printing money. I guess they were looking for an out anyways

how can she try to take the moral high ground while in the same tweet admitting she knew and did nothing

I knew. I just forgot. Thanks #RoseArmy

they have no problem with it as long as it isn't exposed to the public

>god knows how long

Christianfags always gotta shoehorn in god.

>hey i need to be relevant again pls FUCK U KEVIN :(

I hope she dies from being a fat fuck very soon

Gretchen Mol wrote a good piece on this sort of thing. Everyone in Hollywood has rumors about them. Everyone. A lot of them aren't true. Now, you hear rumors about yourself that aren't true, it stands to reason you are going to doubt those about others.

Obviously there was coverup regarding Weinstein. That's documented. But it's not that simple always. Go to any gossip site. Thousands of items that are bullshit. It's worse inside the town. Eventually you get tone deaf.

This one seems SPECIALLY bullshit. Was Spacey a serial fiddler? As far as I can tell no. To put him on the same spot as Weinstein seems unfair unless he actually IS a serial advantage taker. Has anything like this come to light yet?
And what are they saying by "We all knew"? "oh hey we never said anything"? That is not a "GOTCHA" phrase. you say "we all know with" "I'm deeply ashamed at my silence" not with "HAHA I KNEW FAGGOT"

Yeah, it's more of a shame on people like Tarantino, who personally knew to some extent that Weinstein did shit like that, but didn't do anything about it.

It's fucking beyond me how annyone can display so openly such a bankrupt moral. And the worse thing is, the probably gets a lot of praise now for "calling out". Fuck this world.

Everyone knew he was a huge homosexual. He didn't marry Harvey Firestein, so it figures he's into little boys.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuck you Spacey, fuck all men, guilty till proven innocent REEEEEEE what do you mean I was in a film directed by a predator that filmed himself face fucking some 8 year old boy, that's really none of my business JUST MARK HAMILL MY SHIT UP
#roastarmy

Yeah, it seems a little odd that no one else has come forward. HW's allegations were up to 30 after a day. Toback's 300. Yet there is still only this one account on Spacey.

Who ISN'T a rapist at this point?

It's O'Donnell in the OP, not McGowen.

Me ;_;

He was a gay leading man, they didnt want to out hjim, or more importantly, damage the studios he made movies for.
It's all about influence and protecting the business, very capitalist motives for such a bunch of comitted leftists, wouldnt you say?
Most of these morons dont understand that by saying "we all knew" they are essentially impilcating themselves as part of the wall of silence that protected them.

Are you sure? I think if you give it some thought you'll realize you've raped dozens of women.

I wish

I can understand how "we heard rumors" became "everyone knew" because literally everyone knows the "slimy music/movie/model exec takes advantage of young clients" cliché, and I guess they extrapolate from hearing jokes/rumors and such about weinstein into "everybody knew" which is just statistically unlikely.
If EVERYBODY knew then.. well: Think of a movie star. Congratz he is complicit in sexually predatory behaviour.

what a bunch of lowlife druggy liars!!! your movie industry is safe with {{{{{us}}}}}. these are anti-semetic junkies.

exactly.
Those liberals are just projecting their own degeneracy on the rest of society.

I'm a muslim though

I feel this is becoming into a bad witch hunt. Yes it wasn't the best move to hit on a 14yo and get on top of him, but a complete ban from everything goes a bit too far, it wasn't like Spacey drugged the kid and went further he was being an idiot and he was 26 yo (people do stupid shit around that age, we all have) and too drunk. You could question what a 14yo was doing at that party and whether or not he was sober as well.

Weinstein actively did these things, I can see why people outright ban him, but all these people did stupid shit back in their days and use double standards to what single incidental stupid shit other people do. Not only does it feel like the coming out is a mediawhore move; 'hey guys look at me, 30 years ago Kevin did this to me!' Why is that guy coming out? Does the world really need protection from Kevin Spacey as much as Weinstein? In my country some guy came with similar shit from 18 years ago acting like a girl who got wasted and had sex and rape

I'll help you out.

Now you are a rapist, too.

Ok, maybe it would be more precise to say TOO MANY knew. And too many people with a lot of influence, like Tarantino etc. But they have no moral themselves.

>Rape and abuse of power doesn't happen in the rest of the country, just California

Nuh-huh, keep telling that to yourself.

I believe it is because this story is literally what it is: Kevin got drunk 30 years ago, and let his better judgement go with the booze. That is not an excuse, but he also didn't go nearly as far as Weinstein from what has been brought forward against him. One is close to being a serial rapist and has actually fucking fled the country, and the other has done one INAPPROPRIATE thing, not even a huge crime, he didn't even touch the guy (still probably a terrifying experience for him) and they're pointing at spacey like "oh yeah, him too". They're not even on the same level.


This was 30 years ago, at that point Spacey appeared in one film by the name of "Heartburn" as "subway thief" ohhh! Don't out the leading gay man! He didn't take off as a "leading man" until much later when he was in The Usuab Suspects and Se7en in 95, which was nearly ten years later. If he was a notorious fiddler during that period I'm SURE somebody would have told him to fuck off, because he was far from being this giant star he is now. Fuck even American beauty didn't happen until 99.

So this "people were afraid of his power" I 100% buy from Weinstein, but Spacey? Nah. All evidence points to the fact that there was ONE incident.

I agree, but I'd say with 26 you should have the wits not to do that. And no you should not question the 14 year old, who as I recall anyway was Invited I think.

But I agree in so far that It looks like Spacey did one mistake (that being trying to seduce a minor, he didn't touch or molest anything) after heavy drinking 30 years ago, and to my knowledge, because nobody else credible has come forward, hasn't ever done it again.
to put that on the same level as Weinstein is just disingenuous

Horrible parents willing to prostitute their children for fame.

>Those liberals are just projecting their own degeneracy on the rest of society.

You're saying this on the pedo capital of Sup Forums though

The moral police larping is not very efficient

Here's the thing, though... What was he supposed to do? Sorvino wouldn't talk about it. She didn't even tell his brother. McGowen signed an agreement. So what was he supposed to do? Tell HW to go fuck himself and get blacklisted?

It's certainly morally shitty, but at the same time people acting like he's as bad as HW seems extreme.

I'll tell you who should be called out in all this. Not other actors or directors, but fucking agents. Read some of the shit about Toback. They knew he was a creep and continued sending clients to meet him. When they come back and tell them what happened, they say he did it to other people they sent out. That's some fucked up shit.

>Its ok to commit crimes if your'e drunk

The agents, the media personell that actively supressed critical coverage, the person that REALLY knew what was going on. And I'm sorry I have to say this but I also think that some of the women that on the one hand got harassed by Harvey and other the other hand benefited from him careerwise should take a deep look in the mirror.

I can agree with most of that. Certainly too many people knew and did nothing. But to defend tarantino: it gets more difficult when it's somebody close to you. You feel like you have to respect them by not doing anything unless they ask you to. Imagine someone close to you opens up that they have been molested, Could you 100% say you would feel right by ignoring their wishes and making it public for everyone to see?
It's a difficult topic and there is no clear answer as to what would have been right to do.
Sadly it is up to the victims and the victims often just want to forget.

Because they enable these "people" so they can make money with them.

A female friend of mine who escaped rape when she was young basically said the same:
"I didn't get raped because I fought, I've bitten and I've punched and yelled until I could get away, reading all these bitches stories about how they went up to his hotel room, and 'had to endure' makes me fucking furious. You know exactly what you were getting into when you let him touch you, your career was more important to you so don't fucking dare cry about it now"
I felt like a bit of a cuck then, since my opinion was far more along the lines of "these poor women".

I think I got way over the line with my friend once, and she was still nice enough to put my drunk ass in a cab and be sure I get back home.

Eeeeh. Your average actress is like 5'2 and 100 pounds vs a guy like Harvey. While I get what your friend is saying about willingly being alone with him, there is not alot someone can do with that.

Here's the thing about everyone knew... If everyone knew, why did the actors/actresses go with them? If everyone knew Weinstein was what he was, why go to his private script reads?

If everyone know, then the victims must have known what they were getting into.

I mean, lots of shit happened in hotels. You can screem, you can bang on the doors and walls, Sure if he sits on top of you he'll flatten you, but there is no scenario in which he can really force you to do anything is there?
I don't wanna do victim blaming, but I'm also certain there's a fair amount of girls going "well.. I'll blow him and then I'll get a job" and those are the ones that can fuck right off with the "he abused me"

>Sadly it is up to the victims and the victims often just want to forget.

I can relate to that, I was molested by my stepfather and I'm pretty sure if my mother found out she would kill herself. He's out of our lives now for other reasons, I'm not at all interested in it being pursued

Hotels for normal people are like that. Hotels for Harvey, where he has his office, are quite insulated. One said it was soundproof, though I don't know how they'd know that.

Also, another thing people leave out, his assistants seemed complicit with it.

>If everyone knew, why did the actors/actresses go with them

Because all actors are who really. There's literally a one step between an actress/actor and a porn star.

My favorite was Reese Witherspoon.

>I was raped by a director when I was 16 and forced to cover it up

She worked with like 5 directors then. She refuses to name names...so now 5 blokes are rapists in the public mind.

Weinstein was in a power position, he probably threatened these women that he would downright destroy them, if not career wise then financially. Mental intimidation can scare the fuck out you and a repeated offense is different from a single rape assault, both are bad don't get me wrong but a repeated case involves a lot of mental intimidation and downgrading, as a person you turn into a shell when that individual is around and try and block it out, sometimes even think it is normal specially when plenty of others know about it.

It is like a wifebeater, the woman comes back because she thinks she cannot do it alone and cause she thinks she can endure those 'few' beating she gets.

Right? So you have a mixture of the victims just wanting to forget, some opened up to others, these others don't want to betray the trust by going to the media with "my friend Kelly said she got raped by this guy!" and over this after years evolved rumors that most people heard, accusations that a few people heard, and real recountings that very few people heard (personal friends and family mostly here).
The most people that know would be the women themselves. Cases like that now infamous courtney love snipped where she said "if Harvey Weinstein invites you, don't go" and like we established, many of them don't want to go start a legal case against the biggest hollywood jew there is.

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I doubt anyone is side-eyeing those guys, user.

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tl;dr

>intentionally

Thank god. If it was an accident, I'd lose respect.

Hollywood doesn't have a sexual assault problem. It has a whore problem.

>I hope more men come forward
>I hope more people are molesters
What a fucked up way to view the world.

Do you think people will take you more seriously if you spam your argument?

Aww, look who's triggered.

Why didn't spacey get a lawyer first instead of making a personal statement?? Isn't that like basic rule 1?

Do people consider what weinstein did wirse than spacey? I’m pretty sure raping little boys is more fucked up than raping adults.

Probably thought it wasn't a big deal. If it wasn't for the current climate, it probably wouldn't be.

He didn't rape anyone.

Two things.

A. Physically assault Harvey. Tarantino bitch slapped a producer, in public, for "ruining" his script.

B. Not work with Weinstein. He did Weinstein a FAVOR by repeatedly working with him, long after he didn't need to, and for reduced rates.

Same with Robert Rodriguez (if what his ex-girlfriend Rose McGowan says is true about Harvey)

Actors and actresses have always been private whores for the rich and powerful. Condemn the parents that willingly push children into this career. Laugh at the established actors and actresses that want to cash in on sympathy points because they were lucky enough to suck and fuck the right cock at the right time. I hope I'm still alive for when the big pedowood scandal becomes common knowledge for the masses.

It's because these people are not being guided by any sense of morality beyond "what is everyone else doing?". When they had peer pressure to laugh and smile and say "oh, that's just Harvey", it was morally right to them to do so because everyone else was doing it. Now that everyone's calling them out, they want to call them out too. Women are pack animals.

Legally what Spacey did was worse, if you can believe Harvey.

Harvey committed very minor sexual assaults on adult women (the rape accusations are very different of course).

What Spacey did, legally, would absolutely ruin your life (completely ruin it).

I mean, it's basically the same now anyway - Sexual assault gets you on the same list as stat rape.

Thing is Spacey didn't rape anybody. Spacey story:
>14 year old was at a party, dodged out to watch TV in the bedroom
>Spacey came in drunk
>kinda climbed on top there
>kid said he should go home
>went to go
>spacey leaned against the door going: "you sure you wanna go?"
>kid said he wanted to go and left.
I 100% agree that this is A: super sketchy, and B: pretty scary for a 14 year old, but nothing happened, he didn't kiss him, he didn't get his thing out, he apparently didn't even touch his butt. and it was apparently the only incident in 30 years.
So no, It's no where NEAR as bad as Weinstein who seemingly took every opportunity he had to take advantage of girls.

>you shouldn't question why a 14 year old attended a party where adults get drunk off their asses because he was invited lol
Why was he invited in the first place?
Why was he alone?

1.) You bitch slap people you can get away with it with. QT slaps Weinstein, what happens?

2.) This I can agree with, but I'll ask what exactly it would accomplish? QT stayed with Miramax/TWC because they let him do whatever. So he goes to Goldwyn or Universal and becomes a shill.

There isn't a lot he could have done to stop Harvey without killing himself is what I'm saying. Same as everyone else. He's still a sleaze, don't get me wrong, but he's not Weinstein-tier, creepy footsucker that he is.

>If everyone know, then the victims must have known what they were getting into.

That's the thing why I find this current outcry hypocritical as fuck

Attempting to rape an IMAGINARY child gets you YEARS in jail and often LIFE on the sex offenders registry.

Trying to do it with a real boy? That's a big no no.

Also;

>Kinda climbed on top there
>Spacey came in drunk

That's not at all what the claim was;

Rapp's claim;

>Spacey came into a room where he was (no indication that he was drunk)

>Carried the boy to a bed

>Mounted him

>Boy pushed him off and tried to leave the room, Spacey blocked him in, but relented when Rapp complained again

It's pretty convenient then that males have a pretty huge weak spot between their legs.
You don't even have to kick, just have to squeeze really fucking hard and you'll nearly incapacitate someone.

because they didnt actually know and they're just virtue signalling

You can essily tip a reporter tho

>If everyone knew Weinstein was what he was, why go to his private script reads?

Because a lot of the times they thought they were going to a meeting with other people in the room. Or there was someone else in the room, but then that person, like an assistant, quickly left once the actress arrived. Harvey basically did shit like ambush you.

Literally nothing. Weinstein RELIED on Tarantino. Tarantino repeatedly said he worked, essentially as a charity, for Weinstein because he felt he owed it to him for his early support. Right now Tarantino has every single major studio in Hollywood coming to him to bid on making his next picture. He has had that power since Pulp Fiction. He took MASSIVE compromises on Kill Bill to ensure he could make it with Harvey because Harvey NEEDED him. He was the lynchpin of TWC when Harvey started over after Miramax. The producer Tarantino bitch slapped is the producer on the Transformers series. Not small fry.

>This I can agree with, but I'll ask what exactly it would accomplish? QT stayed with Miramax/TWC because they let him do whatever. So he goes to Goldwyn or Universal and becomes a shill.

Other studios for decades have offered him MORE freedom and MORE money - He stayed with Harvey out of loyalty, or so he says.

>excluding the rape accusations

Spacey, as we know of this one story, got drunk, picked up a guy, carried him upstairs and tried to fuck him. It's not said that he groped him, held him down, threatened him or anything. This is one incident.

Weinstein, if you believe accusations, raped at least 2 women, and sexually harassed and threatened dozens more.

I don't disagree, legally, but we're not in court. Yes, I agree what Spacey did would ruin someone's life, which I find to be bullshit, not because it isn't wrong but because what's the point of letting him out of jail? You'll be lucky to find a job, you have to register everywhere you go and anyone associated with you is tainted. Just keep these people in prison. They practically are anyway.

>thinking it was a one off occurrence
Spacey prob has fucked minors even younger than this kid. What Harvey did is basically grab a pair of tits or ass of a chick. Most people view that as a sleazeball. View it this way, if my chick got pinched on the ass by Harvey I would knock him out. If my son however got fucked by Spacey there would be no beating, just death.

>Twitter kanguru courts
Isn't 2017 great, guys?

Yeah, that's why rapes never happen.

>Spacey, as we know of this one story, got drunk, picked up a guy, carried him upstairs and tried to fuck him. It's not said that he groped him, held him down, threatened him or anything. This is one incident.

>Guy

A 14 year old. That's up to ten years in New York.

Also Weinstein would also now have to be on a sex offenders register. It's not just child sex offenders anymore.

He didn't attempt to rape. He attempted to seduce.
Also quote directly from Rapp: "sort of stood in the doorway, kind of swaying. My impression when he came in the room was that he was drunk."

And yes I forgot to put in the bit were Kevin picks him up, but he did not "mount him". again quote from Rapp: “He picked me up like a groom picks up the bride over the threshold. But I don't, like, squirm away initially, because I'm like, 'What's going on?' And then he lays down on top of me.”

“He was trying to seduce me,” Rapp said. “I don't know if I would have used that language. But I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually.”

Still terrible, all of it and I'm of the mind that while Alcohol loosens you up, it is no excuse to behave this way. But lets not invent shit where shit didn't happen. This is bad enough, we don't need to devalue this by saying shit that just didn't happen.

They'd know that MO. If "everyone knew" of course.

Not everyone knew is my point.