Those who can't do, criticize

>Those who can't do, criticize
is it true?

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yes, this became painfully clear after Space Cop got released. i love the RLM guys and have been following them religiously since the phantom menace review, but i don't think they've ever been very good filmmakers technically. everything they've done has been pretty amateurish for reasons that have nothing to do with budget limitations: ugly lighting with harsh shadows, overexposed images shot at completely flat angles, wrong shutter speeds (this was really bad in Space Cop and made most of it look like highschool film class stuff), no real sound design, and absolutely terrible vfx - other than the few scenes in Space Cop that Colin and Jim did that stood out like crazy cause they looked too good compared to the rest. their editing is fine in HitB and BotW, but it's also kinda hard to mess up that much when you have a multi-cam setup

their shittiness on a technical level fits HitB so perfectly that i think a lot of people thought all of it was intentional and got surprised when Space Cop was also came out very amateurish?

As far as YouTube movie reviewers are concerned, yep. I've yet to see a single one of them make an even mediocre movie. I quite like reviewers like RLM and Chris Stuckmann (if he's not talking about Star Wars or Marvel), but my God, their "films" are utter shit.

Not everybody wants to create, but everyone have opinions.

Yes.
Remember this embarassment?

>All critics are into being snarky assholes
>only thing they produce is ironic non-comedy
I don't know. Show me a critic who actually tried earnestly to participate in creation of something great. Why do I only know about the ones who hid behind comedy?

>kickassia
>all these nu-male youtuber nerds do the "collage of faces" gay ass fuckin poster

Is it worth watching as a bad movie or for the inside jokes?

No, its just ugly and boring as hell, and the fake accents Mike and Rich do get obnoxious real quick. If you must sit through it, turn the commentary on so you at least get something out of the experience.

>In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgement. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.
Beautiful quote from Ratatouille.

I think that perhaps critics are able to be overly harsh because simply they cannot relate. A true master of their craft has faced criticism before and know how disheartening it can be, so might opt from a gentler 'critique' (unless they're insecure and feel threatened). I don't know which way is better, they both of their place.

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Roger Ebert wrote a Russ Meyer titkino. It was the worst in the series

Serious question, Sup Forums. How can one learn to be more critical and educated about TV and movies? What flaws should someone look out for? What makes bad editing bad, a director bad etc.

And those who can't criticize shitpost on Sup Forums to make themselves feel better about doing nothing with their life.

get a life and stop wasting your time on such pointless, autistic things

When future generations sift through the smoldering rubble of postmodern America, they would do well to locate a hard drive with RedLetterMedia content on it. They could study Mike and Jay and, with that thin slice of information, fully understand what it is that killed western civilization.
Those two are bitter, cynical nihilists. They have devoted their lives, the prime years of productivity, to pithily lampooning cultural ephemera and implying "we could do better than these idiot filmmakers, but we're too cool to actually try."
They are every strain of societal AIDS melded together into a super AIDS of cultural death...
Well into middle age, they're still obsessively analyzing adventure stories for children. They're childless, unmarried, stubbornly avoiding an actual profession, opting instead to beg for Patreon donations. They are subsisting on the patronage of even more embittered, more lonely, more cynical losers who need virtual friends to swim in their vast Petri dish of misery with them.
Look in their fucking eyes, man. It's a joyless, pointless existence they're living.
They are so afraid of sincerity or honest artistic effort that they'll leave behind hours of footage of them chuckling about Tommy Wiseau. They are artistic cowards and abject failures in every respect.
Each time you catch a glimpse of them, you're reminded that we peaked as a civilization a long time ago. We're done creating. We're done feeling real emotions. All we can do now is analyze, criticize, and ironically pick through the dessicated corpse of our once great nation.

Ashens made a solid one

>dude everything should be grim, vague and cheap otherwise it's mainstream shit lmao
What a pretentious hack faggot.

>Did he actually die not knowing he was a hack
JESUS

>some hack loved by redditors because he is russian

DC fan detected

They're doing more with their degrees than the majority of their fellow graduates. I mean how many of them can say "I have my own production company making internet content that has become successful enough for me to make a career out of." It's also very clear from their school films and pre-RLM stuff that "looking shitty" was part of the overall style. They love schlock and have repeated this many times on their various shows.

And yes I know this is a pasta post. Everyone just seems to think these guys are just bitter for not being recognized as film makers. If these guys were bitter, do you think they would be doing this? They would probably be more like us and just bitching on chat forums all day about how much they know better than all those sheeple when it comes to film and it was the system that prevented them from getting any further, not their insecurities or lack of drive. They started out as a wedding filming company because like most people who got a degree in film or photography, they go independent and do weddings to make a living. A friend of mine who took photography does this and now he does weddings, goes to a few conventions/pop-up markets and sells prints of photos involving figurines being made life size through photography techniques, etc. The point is he's doing what he likes and has made a career out of it which is saying something for anyone looking to make money in anything artistic. Roger Ebert stopped being a script writer to become a critic. A very successful one, but I doubt when he first started his journey it would end up there.

Trying to make something.
Then you go back, know where you fucked up and can see those same mistakes in other from that point on

>dude, you can't criticize that surgeon for leaving a scalpel in someone! you're not a surgeon! lets see YOU try surgery!

Yahtzee of ZeroPunctuation has made some genuinely good games

Don't bring reality into an RLM thread. It triggers the autistic faggots that have to constantly shit on RLM to make themselves feel better about their own worthless lives.

He's a two-trick pony; all he ever does for both his games and books are either Lovecraftian Horror or Sci-Fi Comedy, and the schtick has gotten old by now.

I'm not surprised that shitty zombie video was cut from the documentary. It isn't deep and doesn't explain anything about zombie movies which isn't just stating the obvious. The RLM crew just wanted an excuse to cosplay as zombies. Mike has clearly given up any attempt at creativity, or perhaps he never had any in the first place.

>It isn't deep and doesn't explain anything about zombie movies which isn't just stating the obvious.
That describes the actual documentary too though. it was a fluff piece.

I don't think you can classify Mogworld as Sci-Fi just because it takes place in a game, it's definitely more Fantasy, and I haven't read Jam but as far as I know it's a dystopian comedy. Most creators have a niche and I'd put comedy as one of the hardest to pull off well which I think he does, though it is clear that Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams were a big influence for him

Doc of the Dead is actually way more shitty and surface level than the Plinkett stuff.

>I mean how many of them can say "I have my own production company making internet content that has become successful enough for me to make a career out of."
Maybe a few of them are working in the actual film industry rather than making ironic internet videos for a living.

>It's also very clear from their school films and pre-RLM stuff that "looking shitty" was part of the overall style.
Wrong, there are several amateur mistakes made in Space Cop that are unrelated to budget and are because of incompetence. The "looking shitty" aspect is something people assume is intentional because it fits the style of HitB so well, when really that's the best they could accomplish even if they tried, so they have to settle to making internet comedy videos.

>They love schlock and have repeated this many times on their various shows.
>say that intentionally bad films aren't funny and are painful to watch
>make an intentionally bad film
this hypocricy

>If these guys were bitter, do you think they would be doing this?
Yes, because its easy money to watch a bad film, talk about it for a little bit, then rake in patreonbux, regardless of how they feel about it.

>Maybe a few of them are working in the actual film industry rather than making ironic internet videos for a living.
Of course "a few" are working in the industry. But 99% of them aren't.

>there are several amateur mistakes made in Space Cop that are unrelated to budget
Like what? I'm not shitposting, I'm genuinely curious what you're refering to.

At least they were not trying to do a "real movie" Just a long (unfunny) skit.

I wrote it earlier in thread; ugly lighting with harsh shadows, overexposed images shot at completely flat angles, wrong shutter speeds, no real sound design, and absolutely terrible vfx. You don't need a large budget to make a film look at least decent and not high school tier.

Those are all related to lack of budget though if you don't have the money to hire a professional for each of those aspects and have to do all of them yourself despite not being an expert in them.

>no real sound design, and absolutely terrible vfx
Both of those were fine in Space Cop though.

They do create content. They can't be assed to create a quality movie, but they do put in effort into their reviews.
Like their opinions or not, they're still better at explaining exactly why they like a movie or not than a lot of people.

poor lighting, wrong shutter speeds and not having shots overexposed can easily be fixed without a specialist.

that's because the Canadians did some of them, and they stood out as the only decent effects.

>poor lighting, wrong shutter speeds and not having shots overexposed can easily be fixed without a specialist.
So even though I've never baked a cake before, I should just be an expert at baking a cake because....?

>that's because the Canadians did some of them, and they stood out as the only decent effects.
So you admit the movie had decent fx despite claiming earlier that it didn't?

Serious question: do you have any filmmaking experience?

>So even though I've never baked a cake before, I should just be an expert at baking a cake because....?
Difference is that they've been filming since they were young and have years of experience dealing with lighting, exposure and shutter speed, and therefore should be showing improvement instead of getting worse.

>So you admit the movie had decent fx despite claiming earlier that it didn't?
If you read my earlier comment I did mention the Jim and Colin stuff, I just cut it out in the summary for brevity >do you have any filmmaking experience?
yes

It's fun to watch with a stream or with other likeminded people. Very much doubt that I could sit through it on my own.

It's true in the sense of everyone criticizes. Those who can and can't do.

What bothers me quite heavily with RLM is that they have an interesting enough grasp of technical details and can say interesting things about editing, shooting and filmmaking in general but they just watch schlock. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy BotW quite alot but when they talk about what seems to in their view be the best films, for example like in Re:view, they talk about mindless films, loud and brash plastic movies devoid of any real meaning.

>they talk about mindless films, loud and brash plastic movies devoid of any real meaning.
because that's safe, as is irony
unironically criticizing a well received, popular or difficult movie risks triggering people or making yourself look unknowledgeable
why do you think mike created a jeffrey dahmer parody to criticize the prequels in the first place?

This actually makes sense and greatly pinpoints issues of modern Western civilization.

>Fault TPM for having a tiny fart joke
>Literally all of RLM humor is toilet humor

really activates my almonds

Don't forget EXTREMELY clever sexual innuendos

Just to further my point, hasn't Mike at some point mentioned that Jurassic Park is one of his favourite films? It's an exciting spectacle alright but it's just a dinosaur movie.

their genre is comedy though and not "SPACE OPERA". While theyre hacks their criticism is valid.

Jurassic Park is an amazing movie. Lost World was pretty damn good as well. Jurassic World was a cash grab that gave us DINOS with none of the commentary that made the originals deeper then just a simple dino disaster.

>JP has an entire scene where they are literally talking over dinner about the ethics and concerns about the park

Its absolutely true in RLM's case.

These guys claim to know good cinematography when they see it. Their comedic talents are on display in some (not all) of their other material.

Space Cop is completely unfunny and looks like it was shot by high school kids. Maybe its because they shot it sober.

Mike said he went to see Jurassic Park so many times in the theater he could tell where each film reel ended (in the 35mm era theaters had to stitch multiple film reels together and spool them onto a giant film reel to play).

Not at all.
I have watched every single rlm video at least twice and love them all but Space Cop is garbage except for the opening scene with the miniatures which was fun but lastet about 30 seconds. It could have been decent if they had cut all the footage of people just doing the same tired joke back and forth for minutes on end (obviously a failed attempt to create "funnybad" scenes) but it wouldn't have been feature length, probably 40 minutes or less.

At least Brad will always be apathetic and cynical

The Virgin Letter Media vs The Chad Cinemassacre

>mfw James is so scared of getting copyright claimed he only ever shows still images of the movies he's reviewing

I'm pretty sure those who can do criticize as well

>should we keep adding bearded white guys to the poster?

No. They are different things.

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Win Wenders and the guy who did La Jetee,
Chris Marker, I think was a critic too.

Ah yeah, Alan Parker was also a critic. A pretty brutal one apparently.
He softened after he made his own movies.

Barring the Plinkett reviews RLM generally only show the trailers of new films and really only show lots of scenes of old direct to video movies noone cares about anymore.

There's a fun bit where he tries to kill a kid on a bicycle.
They needed more immoral and OTT stuff like that.

There are some critics that do it because they love the movies, they inspires them, and they want to see the form improve.

Those ones make movies.

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This was done by a critic/essayist and it's the inspiration for Gilliam's 12 Monkeys

Truffaut.

Literally calls a dude a pleb. XD

t. burned taint

Or they just never got better

Mike recounts on one of their commentaries a story of Hollywood suits coming a'knocking after the Prequel vids got big. He just told them a bunch of crazy fucked up ideas of what he'd do with a big budget. They never came back.

He legit does like that shitty aesthetic. But they are good pastiche artists. The little bits where they copy other styles to do a joke shows they could create more slick and energetic content if they disciplined themselves. But I don't think either of the main guys has the personality for it. As others have said here, there's a certain level of nihilism in them. Maybe it's a Milwaukee thing. Place seems to breed alcoholics.

Honestly this. But Sup Forums has to paint them as pathetic failures because it makes anons feel better about how shitty and worthless they are.

no its Wisconsin thing, where all alcoholics

You sound really really ass-burned by their success.

You're the loser that keeps putting these hit threads up aren't you.
You get no love and nobody knows who the fuck you are and it just fucking kills you that people like their stuff.

Shut the fucking fuck up about "technical" merit and maybe start thinking about actually being able to appeal to a fucking audience you stuck up cunt.

None of the main RLM guys are even from Wisconsin though.

>ur just jealous!!!
why are Sup Forumsedditors so immature?

I'm so sorry. They guys do paint a bleak picture in their various shows.
Rich and AIDS have clearly had lives I wouldn't wish on a dog.

Not the same user but it couldn’t be more obvious that faggot is jealous. He spams the same negative shit in every RLM thread. He pretends to just loathe RLM but watches every video they put out and seemingly knows everything about them.

Jack has a wife and two kids and makes his living making videos and hanging out with his friends. Yeah how miserable.

That's not an argument. You're a very repellent, petty individual.
You could be a technical master, but still have nothing to say that anybody wants to hear.

Oh no, Patreon support! much better to get some lousy paycheck doing a regular job that you hate. Eh my nigga?

But criticism is an art too.

His childhood sounded pretty bleak and isolated, and he obviously had some extended period where he was poor as fuck and working some seriously shitty, low paying gigs.

>makes his living making videos and hanging out with his friends.

He's still not full time at RLM. Still has something going on with that cousin of his I think.
I stopped listening to PreRec a while ago.

What are you even getting at? His childhood had ups and downs like literally ever person in the planet? Oh no!

La Nouvelle Vague

>reviews only using still shots
This makes James' new reviews over the last few years so lifeless and cheap. He shouldn't have to worry about copyright claims for old horror movies, and can just as easily claim fair use.

Do you not understand the basics of creating a tone for a movie? The OT had a constant tone. TPM was all over the place The final act for TPM was a perfect example they brought up. You go from wacky hijinks with Jar Jar to Qui Gon being killed to fun space action and laser shoot outs. It's a lot of emotional elements to process and structure in a narrative way.

this nigga knows

>RLM generally only show the trailers of new films

Probably because they don't have readily access to the scenes they're talking about since the movies are still in theaters when they do HitB. They also use more than trailers. They also show behind the scene stuff or interviews with the cast or people involved now and then.

RLM doesn't have any point to make. They don't have opinions about something that aren't expressed in 15 layers of irony and "I-don't-give-a-fuck" platitudes.

Why do you faggots keep saying dumb stuff like this? They use irony in their humor and skits but there actual opinions on the movies they talk about on Half in the Bag are always genuine and sincere

Paramount approached RLM with the intent of making a very low-budget movie in the vein of Paranormal Activity. Instead, Mike pitched them a Gorilla Interrupted remake.

Who criticizes the critic? Who cares, right? We don't have anybody reviewing critics, as far as I know. People are watching RLM for the humor, not their insightful knowledge, backed up by a wonderful filmography spanning decades.
They might be shit at making movies, but they are good at making youtube videos. I wouldn't call them serious critics, just entertainment.